2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[Caballus]

That being said If I planned on being on the autobahn id of got a car with coolers.

What experience are you basing that on?

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[Caballus]

America spec usually means they change the bumpers to meet crash rules. So yes I do unfortunately. I feel like you are trying to pull patriotism into a car discussion..

American spec is more than bumpers, and in fact no longer includes bumpers. So, again, what experience are you basing these statements on?

 

[Caballus]

My position hasn't changed, and reposting two of my messages without dates and out of context proves nothing. What certainly has evolved is my irritation with the car, as well as for those who may be misusing it. It is not certified for sale in Europe, and for later buyers than you, there certainly were multiple sources of information related to cooling.

All of that said, I really am sorry that you fall into the "early adopters" group and are not happy - especially since you're overseas doing great things for our country.

It is certified for sale in Europe. For the few countries that require mods, it's simply fog lights, and in some cases, parking sensors and headlight washers. Nothing more. As for misusing it, not sure there is such thing on a highway with a "race car."

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[Caballus]

This is the issue. If you know anything about cars you wouldn't believe that.

FP said you you car can run on a road with no speed limit with out the track coolers. Why would you believe that? Explain to me what heat the coolers where for?

To run at max speed you will need max power which will generate maximum heat.

According to FP, the heat would dissipate on the open road. From the great deal that I know about cars, that's logical. Greater heat is generated from the continuous variations in speed and shifting that occurs on the track...from the little I know about cars, and great deal I know about driving on the Autobahn.

 

[Spa2k]

It is certified for sale in Europe. For the few countries that require mods, it's simply fog lights, and in some cases, parking sensors and headlight washers. Nothing more. As for misusing it, not sure there is such thing on a highway with a "race car."

Interesting. Ford has said it does not meet European specs and that it does not plan to sell them there - only the GT and EcoBoost do. That doesn't mean you can't bring one in and make changes to make it "legal" in whatever country you're in (taillights, for example) - just that you can't officially import one with Ford's blessing.

 

[SVTDSM]

When does it hot limp mode? 260?

Limp mode occurs right around 275 degrees.

 

[Myshelby3425]

You won't have to ask this question if and when they're release....

Someone already ordered them. Part numbers are out for the trans cooler and diff cooler. I believe it was this thread where they posted the part numbers.

 

[Caballus]

Interesting. Ford has said it does not meet European specs and that it does not plan to sell them there - only the GT and EcoBoost do. That doesn't mean you can't bring one in and make changes to make it "legal" in whatever country you're in (taillights, for example) - just that you can't officially import one with Ford's blessing.

Ford is correct,as are you...technically, insofar as the fog lights, etc are concerned. Otherwise, it completely meets European specs, as do most American cars now days. That's why they are selling in Germany and Belgium. Relatively minor modifications get it there. One of the old issues with cars was the speedometer. It must read KM. The outer ring and digital gauge takes care of that. Safety glass used to be an issue as well, but in reverse...European to American. Now the EU meets or exceeds US safety standards.

The sad fact is that if you rent a European Ford here, even a lower end model (say a Mondero) you immediately feel the difference between that and an American spec car. The difference is night and day, though the price is comparable. Same goes for service. There is very little difference between the BMW, Volvo, and Ford dealers that I take my cars to. All take their time with you, stick to the minute of their appointments, and have cool free cappuccino machines for you to get your caffeine fix while you wait--BMW insists on making it for you, which spoils the fun!

Impossible to question my patriotism when I say that our car industry is letting us down.

Edit: Also, though the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) allows exceptions for us, there are zero mods to our cars in Germany. It is a 100% US Spec car. Other countries (Belgium and NL for example, differ). Italy allows us as we are. Our window stickers read 'export'. A final data point is the sheet that was going around that showed the stats on GT350s built and exported. Almost all exports were Track Packs...that was certainly because of highway speeds and heat outside of the US, especially in the ME, where a large number of exports went. Ford knows what it's doing...

 

[firestarter2]

According to FP, the heat would dissipate on the open road. From the great deal that I know about cars, that's logical. Greater heat is generated from the continuous variations in speed and shifting that occurs on the track...from the little I know about cars, and great deal I know about driving on the Autobahn.

On the track you have periods of deceleration and partial throttle.

No variation in speed will generate more heat then WOT for minutes at a time.

You will be able to generate more heat in the drivetrain on the autobahn then you ever can on a track.

Just think the faster you go the more power you need to maintain that speed so at 160 you are generating a crap ton more heat then at 80

 

[Caballus]

On the track you have periods of deceleration and partial throttle.

No variation in speed will generate more heat then WOT for minutes at a time.

You will be able to generate more heat in the drivetrain on the autobahn then you ever can on a track.

Just think the faster you go the more power you need to maintain that speed so at 160 you are generating a crap ton more heat then at 80

Disagree. You're not accounting for the fact that slowing down on the track inhibits heat dissipation. Speed on the highway (Autobahn is a highway) dissipates heat. The effect was accounted for recently by a member's autocross experience where he experienced brake fade during an autocross event. There is little time for the heat to dissipate between hard braking episodes. Hence the reason that I can sustain 110-120 mph on the Autobahn without going limp.

 

[firestarter2]

Disagree.

Based on what? Where do you think the race track heat is coming from?

If you take a small car and run them up a mountain they often over heat very few cars can cool them selves at max power for extended periods of time thats why the veyron has so many radiators (its not a track car)

 

[superman07]

Disagree.

Yup, acceleration and deceleration thus loading the transmission heats it faster, as does extra weight, going up in elevation, and ambient. The reason it is overheating on folks at a constant temp is that after a point, the temps dont seem to come down on a longer trip when the mercury is up there.

airflow and transmission mass do not lend itself to much opportunity for cooling in use.

I have gotten it upwards of 240 quickly in 4th / 5th which is easy above 90 degrees, then slowed and dropped into sixth and registered very little if any temp reduction cruising at 85ish in CC.

As luck would have it my first ticket in years this weekend, in my f150 ffs.

 

[superman07]

Based on what? Where do you think the race track heat is coming from?

If you take a small car and run them up a mountain they often over heat very few cars can cool them selves at max power for extended periods of time thats why the veyron has so many radiators (its not a track car)

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[Caballus]

Based on what? Where do you think the race track heat is coming from?

If you take a small car and run them up a mountain they often over heat very few cars can cool them selves at max power for extended periods of time thats why the veyron has so many radiators (its not a track car)

It's not where the heat comes from; it's where it goes. On a track, it has less time to go anywhere.

If I recall, you said you are a computer guy and not a car guy, correct? I am not being facetious when I say that I will put you and any other GT350 owner up if you want to come over and experience the Autobahn and some of the best tracks in the world--Spa, Nürburgring, Hockenheim...along with the Black Forrest and Alps. Under those conditions, you will know exactly what a cars capabilities and limitations are, along with that of the driver.

 

[firestarter2]

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Whats more load then dragging a 3800 lb car through the air at 160mph???

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