2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[BaylorCorvette]

Nothing wrong w/ 12.3 - 12.4 in SE Texas. What's the DA for those runs (just curious)? A SC engine will be somewhat less susceptible to poor air than an NA engine, making the "11's all day" statement that much more suspect, given your results.

Don't know how you handle that heat and humidity -- not for me!

DA is typically well north of 1,000. I've ran in 2,500ish DA several times too. Best DA I've ran in down here was about 500, but it wasn't in the ZL1.

I'm originally from Chicago but have lived here for a little over ten years. I HATE the heat and humidity, but I'll take it in return for cheaper gas, cost of living and healty economy. Lol.

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[All-Or-Nothing]

And on cars with magnetorheological shocks, Ford has no reply at all.
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Not true at all. CCD from Lincoln can easily be adapted to good use on the Mustang if they so choose.

 

[Overboost]

Not true at all. CCD from Lincoln can easily be adapted to good use on the Mustang if they so choose.

Yep. MR suspension isn't some elusive technology. In fact, more and more companies are looking at it, and the costs aren't much more than a regular shock/strut assembly. The only requirements are several accelerometers over high speed CAN to communicate.

 

[thePill]

Now I am positive Chevy wasn't happy with the 7:37. Al O. claims the z28 ran a 7:31 in dry conditions... Sadly, no video or data was released... I was under the impression they ran cams and equipment at all times. Kinda defeats the purpose of testing...

Looks like some mild damage control, even more so after the Milford release, then another claim.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Now I am positive Chevy wasn't happy with the 7:37. Al O. claims the z28 ran a 7:31 in dry conditions... Sadly, no video or data was released... I was under the impression they ran cams and equipment at all times. Kinda defeats the purpose of testing...

Looks like some mild damage control, even more so after the Milford release, then another claim.

I think that is a possibility. However it is also possible that they didn't have video set up during every lap around the 'Ring. IF it were me I would ensure every lap is recorded, just in case when the time came for the "real lap" I wouldn't have to rely on the weather cooperating. Which it appears Chevy did exactly that.

Could all be a PR thing, release a video with some rain in it to justify why it could run better. Thus public perception is that the Z/28 ran a decent time with some rain present but is totally capable of doing better. Or it could be the truth.

Proof is in the pudding, if I don't see video of the run along with the time then I'm not going to believe something I read online.

 

[thePill]

I think that is a possibility. However it is also possible that they didn't have video set up during every lap around the 'Ring. IF it were me I would ensure every lap is recorded, just in case when the time came for the "real lap" I wouldn't have to rely on the weather cooperating. Which it appears Chevy did exactly that.

Could all be a PR thing, release a video with some rain in it to justify why it could run better. Thus public perception is that the Z/28 ran a decent time with some rain present but is totally capable of doing better. Or it could be the truth.

Proof is in the pudding, if I don't see video of the run along with the time then I'm not going to believe something I read online.

The testing equipment is in the trunk, everything should have been recorded.

Spending the money to test without documentation is extremely counter productive. Are they making blind adjustments?

 

[S550Boss]

Not true at all. CCD from Lincoln can easily be adapted to good use on the Mustang if they so choose.

Sure, but CCD is not anywhere near as capable as the magnetorheological shocks are. CCD is considerably cheaper.

Magnetorheological are an entirely different plane of capability. And contrary to what some believe, they are not limited to GM vehicles. Ferrari and Land Rover, for one, use them too. They would be a very expensive option, but they would change the dynamics of the car and raise the capabilities enormously.

 

[T-5 killer]

DA is typically well north of 1,000. I've ran in 2,500ish DA several times too. Best DA I've ran in down here was about 500, but it wasn't in the ZL1.

WOW mid 12s at around 1000 to 2500. I would HATE to see what a ZL runs up there our DA is around 6000 to 7000.

 

[GTsquid]

Fightin' words........

From Jalopnik:

Chevy Camaro Z/28 Will Destroy The Mustang Boss 302, Says Chevy

The 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 is the muscular beast's ultimate evolution, a stripped-down track monster made to annihilate anything Ford can dish out. That includes the mighty Mustang Boss 302. Just ask a totally unbiased source with no dog in the fight whatsoever — Chevrolet!

Okay, this video comes from Chevy, so you kind of know how it's going to turn out. In it the Z/28's engineers outline all the reasons they say the über-Camaro can say Who's The Boss to the Boss, like higher lateral G's cornering speeds (also, wasn't the 1LE supposed to fight the Boss?).

They say the Z/28 is at least four seconds faster than the Boss around their Milford Proving Grounds track, and they want to see how it does against the Porsche 911 GT3 and the Nissan GT-R.

Frankly, I'd love to see Ford, Porsche and/or Nissan fire back with a video of their own that proves their cases, or an independent test of all four. We're available.

 

[Overboost]

Congrats, you developed a car after the benchmark was discontinued. Thumbs up to you Al!

 

[thePill]

Fightin' words........

From Jalopnik:

For $20,000 more, it better... The Boss is race bred for competition, where it is still sucessful. The z28 will never challenge the Boss on the circuit... Not with all the expensive equipment it took to best the ZL1 at the Ring if only slightly.

Will all new Camaro's be compared to the 2012 Boss? Seems like they can't get enough. I mean, the Boss won its first race in early 2011... Almost 3 years ago... It took them 3 years tear the 1st Z/28 down, build the ZL1 then build a new z28... All while the Boss won races and championships.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

The testing equipment is in the trunk, everything should have been recorded.

And it probably was, as far as analytic data is concerned. Camera's for recording video, who knows. GM claims they aren't always in the car and on 100% of the time.

Spending the money to test without documentation is extremely counter productive. Are they making blind adjustments?

It isn't exactly like that. My company just completed an R&D project that has been in the makings for a little over two years. I believe the "final product" was model G or H. A few tweaks and changes were made to various models during our field test. We recorded (with video) our field test. However not all changes and tweaks were video recorded. Our final model was.

What I'm trying to say is, if GM takes a similar approach to their R&D models/cars then while they were making slight changes / fine tuning, the likelihood of the video recording everything is pretty small.

With that being said though, I would think they would have been able / had the time to record a better run..

For $20,000 more, it better...

:amen:

 

[Red]

DA is typically well north of 1,000. I've ran in 2,500ish DA several times too. Best DA I've ran in down here was about 500, but it wasn't in the ZL1.

I'm originally from Chicago but have lived here for a little over ten years. I HATE the heat and humidity, but I'll take it in return for cheaper gas, cost of living and healty economy. Lol.

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Baylor: Those DA's are much better than I expected! Not great, of course, but I was expecting worse down there in the Gulf. We're at almost 1000' elevation to begin w/ here, and usually have DA's in the 1600' (on a beautiful spring/fall day) to ~3500' in the dregs of summer. I was in Colorado once, and the DA hit 10,000'! Kinda put a damper on things.

 

[Red]

Doesn't the B302 in the video sound awfully quiet as it passes the camera & mic near the end of the video? Not like what I've heard, for sure. Seems odd.

And, yeah, why not video everything? The extra cost amounts to a hill of beans. Again, seems odd.

 

[bballr4567]

Now I am positive Chevy wasn't happy with the 7:37. Al O. claims the z28 ran a 7:31 in dry conditions... Sadly, no video or data was released... I was under the impression they ran cams and equipment at all times. Kinda defeats the purpose of testing...

Looks like some mild damage control, even more so after the Milford release, then another claim.

Oy.

Where did he say it RAN 7:31? Why not quote what he actually wrote??

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

Meaning, that they believe the car can be faster had the conditions been better.

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