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Sounds like a thoughtful comparison, but $50-65K is a pretty wide range in the used car world IMO (that's a 30% increase from low to high). Plus, I'm still seeing a lot of low mileage Mach 1s for under $50K.

There was a time when I fully agreed with you... And there are still many things I don't like about Porsche. But man... It's crazy to think that this Dark Horse SC might make a 911 S look like a relative performance value. I'll refrain from going that far until the DHSC is in some people's...

Oh damn, gottem!

Yeah, the base C8 is known to be neutered in every way. That's part of why I think there is a strong argument for a Dark Horse over a base C8. But the Z06 is a significantly different animal. Steering is still not great, but the S650 steering is pretty meh, too. Hell, even the steering in my...

TBH, while I'm still on the same page as you when it comes to the DHSC or the GTD, I certainly still see the appeal of a standard Dark Horse over a base C8, even if the C8 is faster... The DH is far more practical (at least a somewhat useable backseat, more trunk space, easier ingress/egress...

Like I said, I agree there are other things to consider, and normally I hate the magazine racing that's prevalent on these forums. Cars are more than their lap times... but I think the rest of my reply to you might overlap with your other message: I disagree. They are both performance-oriented...

I'm not sure I understand your point. So you mean every metric in the book of performance favors the ZR1? And... therefore I shouldn't fault the GTD for being slower and costing twice as much?

Speaking as someone who can afford this car (though I'm not in the market), the pricing doesn't make any sense to me. Why would I spend $150K on a re-badged GT500 with a few extra track bits when even a GTD was already outclassed on a track by a ZR1 costing half the price? I'll be the first to...

That base price seems about right in the world of 2026, but I definitely need a more thorough understanding of what's included in the track pack to understand how that's a 40% upcharge package... You would be hard pressed to find a box you could tick on a 911 GT3 that cost that much. That's like...

Unfortunately I myself would have very little useful knowledge here, but I do think those who can better help troubleshoot this could probably benefit from more info. - I assume from your profile this is the 5.0 in your 2016 GT - "Misfiring" combined with cranking and not starting makes the...

I think for many of the reasons covered in this thread already, the biggest selling point for the HP is the aesthetic appeal. It's absolutely not necessary for the track or any "spirited" street driving. Sure the camber plates, aero, and Cup 2s are nice, but again, totally not necessary. Plus...

If you are super hardcore about track duty, then yeah, getting any Mach 1 might be a waste. But hell, at that point, getting even the PP on the GT might be a poor use of money. Some people would want to upgrade the OEM brakes at some point, at which point half the premium for the PP just went...

Hah, prob describes me to an extent...! I've taken my Mach 1 to the track once, but it's primarily my daily driver, with my GT4RS being the more dedicated track car. That's part of why I didn't bother with HP. Honestly the Tremec was the main reason I ordered the car over a GT. I don't care...

I can vibe with much of this post, but it's a little reductive to say the Mach 1's price premium comes from oil and diff coolers alone. There's a bit more than that over a GT PP1. Like standard magneride and other suspension upgrades, the slightly tuned up 5.0, aesthetic enhancements, and most...

If it's a track-only car, I get it... but if you run without cats on the streets, I'm sorry but you're a selfish asshole.

Fair point, nobody likes small jugs.

I also thought it looked like water... Depending on the ambient temperature in that video (and looks like you're in Texas, so it probably wasn't that cold), I would expect pure gas to evaporate fairly quickly, and not pool that much at the rate it was coming out of the exhaust. But I don't...

Hmm, I've gotten 3-5 years out of my Motorcraft batteries in FL/TX. The one I'm on now has been lasting over three years, and I've been treating it like garbage. It's been nearly fully drained twice, and it's still going (although I think it's probably nearing it's end, at least if I don't get a...

I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would certainly consider it... I dislike a lot of the same things on the DH as many of you here, but it's still a fairly handsome, high performing sport touring car with that good ol', amazing sounding Ford 5.0 V8 and a Tremec manual. Comparable options are...

I may be biased, but the Mach 1 is just about as close to perfection as any car I've owned. At least considering what the car aims to achieve. For a high-performance, track-ready trim of the Mustang that doesn't totally break the bank, it strikes an amazing balance... Between modern (but not...