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Thanks guys... I'm glad to still have the old man around... and know I'll be crushed when his time is up. Seeing his health deteriorate already gets to me. He wasn't always nice, but he was always right(right or wrong)... and fair if he had time to get the facts... and mean as Hell if he was...

You've simply validated his point... until your 2011 Mustang, you only bought used, showing that those who buy new will have typically sold long before 300k, let alone 400k. More validation too: You bought your 11 new and it won't be anywhere near 200k, let alone 300-400k when you sell it...

Does only the GT get line lock? That's what it looks like, but I was certain a Ford rep claimed the 2.3L would as well.

Eh... I'm of the belief that it just doesn't matter how large the exhaust is if 2 conditions are met. #1, it isn't too restrictive. #2, it's not open to the point of burning the valves. These 2 qualifications fit w/ basically any kind of automotive engine. That said, the integrated manifold...

Uh huh... he knows... just doesn't have any interest in the new stuff... he still builds engines even... just little ones for line trimmers and mowers and such. Heck, he still builds basically anything. The worst part for me is how darned good at it he still is! His are a pair of shoes I'll...

435 was my guess as well as a couple others here. Consider all the non-bus passenger vehicles in the world as best you can... now consider the percentage of them with more than 435hp... is it still not all that much? :frusty:

Heh... my dad was a huge MOPAR fan and built "race cars" as far back as 1962(at least). He's now well into his 70's and when I showed him the new car he just grinned and said, "I did that in 1965, so whatever." and casually walked away, 100% uninterested. He built engines like those Don Garlits...

LOL!!! :lol: I was laughing about 3hrs ago as I pointed out to my brother(before he went home all pissed off about something) that so far, nobody had appeared to notice! #4, it's simply not needed! ... #4... the 3.7L is almost needed for the "HERTZ CLUB," etc. #4... Oh wait... :lol:

I can only think of 3 words to describe the problem(in a nutshell, so to speak)... Integrated exhaust manifold. That works great for the design, but it may truly hinder the aftermarket. That's purely a guess on my part, but knowing a thing or two about engines... air in... air out... if that...

I would agree, except being rich. :thumbsup: Ya know... "Okay, I'll order it w/ 10k down. You do know if it doesn't meet my expectations that I'll have my money back and you'll keep the car, right?" Dealers have no choice, but to back out of the order themselves. Not that they will/would... but...

It would have to be just the Hellcat... the others are clearly sitting on lots already... or did they mean not to order 2015's? That would make sense, considering how long it takes to sell a 14 as is.

They'll get it when they realize the only shot they have against the Mustang GT, let alone GT500, is to "pony" up for the big dog daddy... otherwise, a straight line is competitive for sure, and the Challenger is left in the dust anywhere else. It's not even close either... SMOKED! In fact, it's...

^ :lol: Get rhythm... you'll be waiting awhile, so you may as well be loose. :lol:

I've read some spec. variances regarding the width... the height and ground clearance. Of note: The Hellcat is apparently taller, but also has less ground clearance. Anyway, if I felt like I had space and cash to throw out for 1, I'd order the Hellcat. It will be FAR more valuable later, than...

Heh... now we know the rear seat accepts infants in a car seat and anyone else under 3 feet tall... no problem! :lol:

The reasons are many: #1, the power difference is useless... the 2.3L can surely eclipse that and if that won't do ,the 5L will. #2, it would surely cost sales of the 2.3L or 5L. #3, it was designed and built for pickup trucks, so it's probably heavy. #5, if they want that route, the 3.5L makes...

Those GN's, thanks to the GNX and there was also a lightweight model or two which used aluminum bumpers or whatever... were HIGHLY overrated. Not to take a thing away, but we're talking about what was literally a mid 14's 1/4 mile car in standard form and I laugh today when people "remind" me...

When I was a kid, I drove a 1986 GN... couldn't afford it, for real! Still, aside from a strong running 85 Mustang GT, not much unmodified stood a chance in a 1/4 mile. We thought they were SO fast! :headbang: I see that point, but the 4cyl models haven't been having troubles to speak of...

I never suggested there won't be problems(not enough to worry over, however). Any time a totally new vehicle is introduced, there will be problems(regardless the engines used) and any time a new engine is introduced, that's likely to have problems of its own. I'm simply saying that turbocharged...

No worries... the turbocharged engine has come a very long way over the past 30 plus yrs. With a proper inter-cooler and enough of a cooling system itself, today we can expect a turbo engine to last for many years, though maintenance will indeed be required and more expensive than N/A vehicles...