California Wants To Regulate Fun Tires

[luc]

You guys are funny, it’s nothing more than a proposal that has zero chance of becoming law…. But obviously California bashers always jump on those type of stories to vent their frustration of not living in such a great state …
I love California,, 5 road racing tracks, best weather in the usa, ocean, mountains, deserts and the best roads in the country…. Hwy 96 come to mind ..130 miles of heavenly twisties….
Btw, was at Sonoma Raceway tracking my Mustang the last couple of days…. Sunny and 78*
what a shitty way of spending a weekend

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[Joshinator99]

You guys are funny, it’s nothing more than a proposal that has zero chance of becoming law….

Honest question: do you have a link with data to back that up? CA has the most stringent emissions laws in the country and recently (couple of years ago) instituted scanning tunes to make sure they weren’t modified (which some said would never happen). Then they shut down refineries via regulation and have the highest gas prices in the country to boot. So I’m sure every enthusiast on this forum hopes you’re right (including me since crazy ideas have a bad habit of spreading to other states), but I’ve always felt like past performance was the best predictor of future performance (unfortunately).

 

[luc]

Honest question: do you have a link with data to back that up? CA has the most stringent emissions laws in the country and recently (couple of years ago) instituted scanning tunes to make sure they weren’t modified (which some said would never happen). Then they shut down refineries via regulation and have the highest gas prices in the country to boot. So I’m sure every enthusiast on this forum hopes you’re right (including me since crazy ideas have a bad habit of spreading to other states), but I’ve always felt like past performance was the best predictor of future performance (unfortunately).

People have a lot of misconceptions about California, especially in regards to cars
For example you have quite a few counties that do NOT require any type of smog/emissions testing
I live in one of those, Tuolumne county
So bottom lines counties that do not have smog issues, do not require testing
Living in la or orange county,? You need pollution control
Btw highest gas price are not in cal but rather in Hawaii
That said gas is way too high….. not in California only, across the usa .thought that someone was elected partly on the promise of making life cheaper ?…

 

[Lorne34]

Mediocrity is King..
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[Rick#7]

My 1st concern about this is that if something like this actually passes in CA, other states will start looking at doing it as well. The entire statement from the CEC focused on efficiency and tread wear, but there are so many other aspects of tire use and design that went completely unmentioned that directly affect the performance and safety of the vehicle those tires are on. As is typical of politicians, they look at a narrow aspect of use of a particular item or subject, tires in this case, and treat it like they can legislate only that narrow aspect without materially altering every other aspect of the subject. If you drive a 4000lb SUV that came with decent All-season tires, and you're forced to replace those with low rolling resistance tires, that 4000lbs is not going to handle, ride, corner, or stop the same way. A vehicle like that going 60mph needs A LOT of friction in the front tires to stop in an emergency. Are those LRR tires going to do the job as well as the original tires? And let's not forget the tire industries input to the political arena on the topic. Legislation is proposed that would limit consumers choices to tires that, by current manufacturing processes, would cost more and last 1/2 as long, making consumers replace tires twice as often at higher cost for each replacement, so the tire industry is going to do what about that? My opinion is they'll keep their mouths shut while secretly hoping it passes. If they take any action it would likely be to contribute to certain politicians campaign funds in exchange for a push to get it passed. I don't believe there is a single politician in office who proposes any legislation without 1st exploring the financial benefit he/she can gain from it. If they can hide that intent behind a cloak of environmental conscientiousness, you can bet they will latch on to that with everything they have, they get to further their own agenda while looking righteous to the public. But I digress, as others have said, this may not have any chance at passing, all I can say is I hope they are right. These days the politicians seem intent on regulating every single aspect of our daily lives, it's up to us to keep them in check. Don't ever forget, we pay the taxes that fund those positions, they work for us, we just have to keep reminding them of that!

 

[luc]

My 1st concern about this is that if something like this actually passes in CA, other states will start looking at doing it as well. The entire statement from the CEC focused on efficiency and tread wear, but there are so many other aspects of tire use and design that went completely unmentioned that directly affect the performance and safety of the vehicle those tires are on. As is typical of politicians, they look at a narrow aspect of use of a particular item or subject, tires in this case, and treat it like they can legislate only that narrow aspect without materially altering every other aspect of the subject. If you drive a 4000lb SUV that came with decent All-season tires, and you're forced to replace those with low rolling resistance tires, that 4000lbs is not going to handle, ride, corner, or stop the same way. A vehicle like that going 60mph needs A LOT of friction in the front tires to stop in an emergency. Are those LRR tires going to do the job as well as the original tires? And let's not forget the tire industries input to the political arena on the topic. Legislation is proposed that would limit consumers choices to tires that, by current manufacturing processes, would cost more and last 1/2 as long, making consumers replace tires twice as often at higher cost for each replacement, so the tire industry is going to do what about that? My opinion is they'll keep their mouths shut while secretly hoping it passes. If they take any action it would likely be to contribute to certain politicians campaign funds in exchange for a push to get it passed. I don't believe there is a single politician in office who proposes any legislation without 1st exploring the financial benefit he/she can gain from it. If they can hide that intent behind a cloak of environmental conscientiousness, you can bet they will latch on to that with everything they have, they get to further their own agenda while looking righteous to the public. But I digress, as others have said, this may not have any chance at passing, all I can say is I hope they are right. These days the politicians seem intent on regulating every single aspect of our daily lives, it's up to us to keep them in check. Don't ever forget, we pay the taxes that fund those positions, they work for us, we just have to keep reminding them of that!

You must not have read (correctly) the proposal
It stafe that replacement tires must match the factory/oem rolling resistance
We can all have opinions, but at the minimum let’s use facts as the basis

 

[2020 MagneticPP1]

Holy thread revival, just had to say that hate when people try to justify the batshit crazy things that California does, by saying how "great" the weather is, it what world does that make up for it??

Also @luc , "that" elected person has nothing to do with the moronic politicians constantly raising the taxes on fuel in this piece of shit state.

 

[luc]

Holy thread revival, just had to say that hate when people try to justify the batshit crazy things that California does, by saying how "great" the weather is, it what world does that make up for it??

Also @luc , "that" elected person has nothing to do with the moronic politicians constantly raising the taxes on fuel in this piece of shit state.

Well i was living in this piece of shit city and location as you do, maybe i would feel the same way !!!
I know that area pretty well since i used to race quite often at Willow Springs

 

[2020 MagneticPP1]

Well i was living in this piece of shit city and location as you do, maybe i would feel the same way !!!
I know that area pretty well since i used to race quite often at Willow Springs

I mean, I've lived in a bunch of different areas in California, and the state has always been shit lol.

 

[wingnutt]

People have a lot of misconceptions about California, especially in regards to cars
For example you have quite a few counties that do NOT require any type of smog/emissions testing
I live in one of those, Tuolumne county
So bottom lines counties that do not have smog issues, do not require testing
Living in la or orange county,? You need pollution control
Btw highest gas price are not in cal but rather in Hawaii
That said gas is way too high….. not in California only, across the usa .thought that someone was elected partly on the promise of making life cheaper ?…

sorry man, but the same can be said the other way around…people that live there sometimes don’t know how crappy it is, until they leave.

i also lived in Cali for almost a dozen years and yes, the weather and car culture is fantastic…but that is not enough to overcome all the hooplah for many of us.

and sure, you are in one of the six counties that don’t do smog….yet. Ask the residents of the other 52 counties how long that will last

 

[Grintch]

Another reason for California's residents to move out. Vote by moving out guys so they lose the tax base and congressional seats.

So let's make tires with Low rolling resistance the norm which wear faster and cost more? Sounds right for government overreach program. What about tire disposal cost to the environment?

Reminds me of how my MPG went down after they added ethanol to the gasoline. So I end up using more fuel for very little savings. BTW, corn based ethanol also compete with land that could be used for our food supply.

Meanwhile 6,000 lbs SUVs with gas guzzler tax exemptions are the norm.

Well my Texas friend says all the people who move from Californiastan because of their bad policies then immediately vote in their new state for people in favor of the same policies they just ran away from.

 

[2020 MagneticPP1]

Well my Texas friend says all the people who move from Californiastan because of their bad policies then immediately vote in their new state for people in favor of the same policies they just ran away from.

YUP, and that has always boggled my mind. You leave because you want change, but then vote the same way you did in the place you wanted to get away from, how does that make sense?? Guess that's why Austin is known as little California now??

 

[luc]

YUP, and that has always boggled my mind. You leave because you want change, but then vote the same way you did in the place you wanted to get away from, how does that make sense?? Guess that's why Austin is known as little California now??

Maybe people wanted change but not in a political sense ?
First that come to mind is for a less expensive place

 

[2020 MagneticPP1]

Maybe people wanted change but not in a political sense ?
First that come to mind is for a less expensive place

So vote the same way that made the place you left as expensive as it was??

 

[luc]

So vote the same way that made the place you left as expensive as it was??

The most expensive part of living in California is housing cost, median home price is 900k vs 360 in Texas
And government policies has very little to do with it
It’s really free market at work, the more people want to live in a certain area, the more expensive the housing become
A lot of people move out of ca because they are sitting on a gold mine
They sell their average house for 900k, buy 1 in texas for 360k and pocket 540k
Btw, property taxes are much cheaper in ca. Just over 1%
Government policies that really cost money are state taxes, gas taxes and some stupid program
That said, as a car guy and motorcycle as well than a racer, California is second to none for those type of things
What about skiing?
Do you have good skiing in texas or Florida ?

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