Availability - Dealerships with allocations

[Cruzinaround]

It is not the industry's fault. It is the fault of buyers who, rightly or wrongly, will pay ADM. If buyers refused to pay ADM, it would disappear. Manufacturers set guidance on prices, but buyers set the final transaction price.

This is what I said ya know. Those contributing to the stupidity sways the industry.

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[Cruzinaround]

Its all relative, no matter what anyone says....I would pay a 5K ADM all day long for an "R" I would not pay 15K...or would I..? Lets say you make 500K a year salary...and you just made the right pick on a stock and got LUCKY...and made 28K in profits in one afternoon.......okay.... so what, if you blow 5K of the 28K on a ADM.....well scenarios like this happen to many, and even some on this thread.....so back to relativity.... the amount of ADM someone pays is relative to; A) how much extra cash someone has. B) how bad they want "that" car. Not if they are stupid, or screwing up the pricing for everyone else..come on ! its all about cash and wants......my .02cents

I would distribute the extra among family, donate to the needy and reinvest where it would be applicable.

I was not taught nor will I teach my children to throw away their hard earned money. My parents made their money and grew their business and built upon the relationships which they nurtured and networked from. And in turn helped their family and their community and whatever noble cause they found worthy of help.

Now if the jerks who charge ADM would graciously donate to the Parkinson's research foundation or Autism Speaks or Animal Rescue... I might consider it. But, we all know they don't . They expect to take a windfall of good fortune out of your pocket and buy themselves a jacuzzi or whatever else tickles their fancy at the moment.

And their decision on what to waste their commission on is all relative to how much they can get you to spend over and above the true value of the vehicle.

 

[Strokerswild]

You didn't just say that beer is useless did you?:cheers:

Them's fighin' words! Especially to homebrewers....

I wouldn't pay an ADM, it's just how I'm wired (i.e. I'm a tightwad). But I can see how it wouldn't be a big deal for some. Just depends how bad you want it and what you're willing to fork over to get it.

 

[krt22]

Them's fighin' words! Especially to homebrewers....

I wouldn't pay an ADM, it's just how I'm wired (i.e. I'm a tightwad). But I can see how it wouldn't be a big deal for some. Just depends how bad you want it and what you're willing to fork over to get it.

Bingo. I would not either, I would just wait or hope to get lucky, but I certainly wouldnt get hot/bothered/angered at those who do. Who am I to tell others what their perceived value of a product should or shouldn't be?

 

[Cruzinaround]

^As we've already determined ...you would be a dealership if you were to tell others what the perceived value should be. ;-)

 

[krt22]

Not at all, perceived value is ultimately dictated by the buyer since they are the ones making the purchase, its very simple, if people were not willing to pay more, the dealers will adjust accordingly. And this is not some systematic problem, its only a problem for the first run and only a big problem for you because you seem to think your purchase and value proposition is more important than everyone else's.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Not at all, perceived value is ultimately dictated by the buyer since they are the ones making the purchase, its very simple, if people were not willing to pay more, the dealers will adjust accordingly. And this is not some systematic problem, its only a problem for the first run and only a big problem for you because you seem to think your purchase and value proposition is more important than everyone else's.

Dude they would have to take a poll of all the potential buyers and get an idea of what we think with all the facts unknown to provide what you are claiming. It just doesn't happen that way.

We all know the facts. And hopefully in today's world most buyers with scratch for this car do their homework beforehand and also know all the facts beforehand

A guy working for a dealership with a GM title speculates what he can get and sets the price...basically with no product in hand yet.

You and I and the rest of us had nothing to do with setting that price. We're subjected to their anticipation of what the dealers believe they can get.

If they asked me what my perceived value was before placing a price on it....I'd get it for 45k to 49k like I guessed months back before they released the official MSRP.

 

[healntoe]

For anyone in the GA, AL, SC, No. FL part of the country still looking to order, I can refer you to a dealer about 40 mi. from Atlanta that has one allocation and will order at MSRP plus $2K if you are willing...send me a message and I will forward the info.

 

[krt22]

The facts are, the dealers can ask whatever they want at this point, especially if you want to get a car ordered your way, but the final price will be set by....THE BUYERS. The dealers who are currently asking 20k+ over are just hoping someone bites, if no one does, they will lower the price, its not rocket science.

And you will get a car at 50k..you might just have to wait when the initial production ramp is over and all the gotta have it first folks are out of the way. Again, not rocket science. :headbonk::headbonk:

 

[Patio208]

Found 1 at MSRP! Only drawback is they want $5k deposit (non-refundable). Also said they could store the vehicle for me if it arrives in the winter and I can complete the deal in spring. Needless to say I'm not n love with the deposit and I'm trying to make it refundable .I also need to get all of this in writing before I agree.

 

[healntoe]

The facts are, the dealers can ask whatever they want at this point, especially if you want to get a car ordered your way, but the final price will be set by....THE BUYERS. The dealers who are currently asking 20k+ over are just hoping someone bites, if no one does, they will lower the price, its not rocket science.

And you will get a car at 50k..you might just have to wait when the initial production ramp is over and all the gotta have it first folks are out of the way. Again, not rocket science. :headbonk::headbonk:

Right you are krt22! And here's more food for thought...just because they're asking MSRP plus $20K, doesn't mean you can't negotiate that number. I spoke with a dealer who said that he is dead set to get $10K over, but before the call ended, he committed to just $5K! I wasn't biting, but suspect that he would have come off the number more if pressed. These people are businessmen and are simply trying to sell at what the market will allow

 

[Cruzinaround]

The facts are, the dealers can ask whatever they want at this point, especially if you want to get a car ordered your way, but the final price will be set by....THE BUYERS. The dealers who are currently asking 20k+ over are just hoping someone bites, if no one does, they will lower the price, its not rocket science.

And you will get a car at 50k..you might just have to wait when the initial production ramp is over and all the gotta have it first folks are out of the way. Again, not rocket science. :headbonk::headbonk:

I'll simplify it to where it needs to be...

Dealers set the asking price.

Buyers determine the selling price.

The asking price is nothing you or I have any control over.


Very simple concept. If you perceive it should be less...guess what.... You still don't set that asking price.

In fact you have to live through the whole experience of the haggling which is what the stereotype of a sleazy dealership is proudly built upon.
;-)

 

[healntoe]

Found 1 at MSRP! Only drawback is they want $5k deposit (non-refundable). Also said they could store the vehicle for me if it arrives in the winter and I can complete the deal in spring. Needless to say I'm not n love with the deposit and I'm trying to make it refundable .I also need to get all of this in writing before I agree.

Why not do the deal with the deposit? They are simply trying to avoid being stuck with a special ordered car. Unless you aren't really sure about this car...just get a signed buyers order that states that the deposit IS refundable if the car does not get built

 

[Cruzinaround]

Found 1 at MSRP! Only drawback is they want $5k deposit (non-refundable). Also said they could store the vehicle for me if it arrives in the winter and I can complete the deal in spring. Needless to say I'm not n love with the deposit and I'm trying to make it refundable .I also need to get all of this in writing before I agree.

Non-refundable...sounds extremely suspect. You might want to have a written agreement with the negotiated price in there and allow for any contingencies.

Or simply walk away.

 

[healntoe]

I'll simplify it to where it needs to be...

Dealers set the asking price.

Buyers determine the selling price.

The asking price is nothing you or I have any control over.


Very simple concept. If you perceive it should be less...guess what.... You still don't set that asking price.

In fact you have to live through the whole experience of the haggling which is what the stereotype of a sleazy dealership is proudly built upon.
;-)

WRONG! Negotiation is part of our culture when it comes to buying a new car...nothing sleezy about it. One businessman trying to sell at the highest price vs. one customer trying to buy at the lowest price. If you want a one price no haggle deal, buy your cars from CarMax

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