MAPerformance: Ultimate R&D Thread | Air, Fuel, & Turbo Upgrades

[Juben]

100% E85.

I'm seriously interested in seeing the results of this.

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[MAPerformance]

I'm seriously interested in seeing the results of this.

Then stay tuned, I will be making a whole separate thread for the results on both cars.

 

[nax]

For a P2 kit, you would need the following.

Turbo Kit
Accessport
Catback
Intercooler Kit

You can skip the catback if you want, but you will need the Accessport 100%. Intercooler kit I highly recommend as the factory intercooler is junk. IF you decide to do it in stages I can turn the boost down until you get the extra funds to do the intercooler and the cat-back. No issue at all!

Nice, thank you Adam! Time to start putting together a shopping list. With a scaled back boost and sans intercooler and cat-back, what sort of numbers (ballpark) would you expect to see on 93?

 

[MAPerformance]

Nice, thank you Adam! Time to start putting together a shopping list. With a scaled back boost and sans intercooler and cat-back, what sort of numbers (ballpark) would you expect to see on 93?

350/370 shouldn't be a problem, after heat soak with that intercooler (1-2 pulls) it will start making less and less power.

 

[tittermary]

That might be a bit optimistic. Assuming proper track prep, sticky tires, fast shifts, stock front wheels w/ no sprung weight reduction, and nothing breaks of course...high 11's at 118 or so might be attainable. Depends on how much Adam weighs too. ;)

Basing this off a N2O WS6 I drove in '02 that made 420 to the wheels. Similar weight, more torque went 12.0s at 120...w/ 1.90 60'.

Regardless, it'll be far quick enough to surprise most people.

...Adam, has anyone offered you a peek into the SCT software to verify fueling?

these cars easly 60 ft better then 1.9 though, low 1.7's are easy and should put you solidly into the 11s

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

these cars easly 60 ft better then 1.9 though, low 1.7's are easy and should put you solidly into the 11s

Yeah...isn't that what I said?:shrug:

Adam, what is your catback worth on 1) a stock vehicle, and 2) w/ the 5858...and were there quantifiable advantages in boost response w/ it? I like the idea of keeping stock muffling if possible, but if it's worth 30+ hp and a significant reduction in response it might be worth it to me...

 

[tittermary]

Yeah...isn't that what I said?:shrug:

Adam, what is your catback worth on 1) a stock vehicle, and 2) w/ the 5858...and were there quantifiable advantages in boost response w/ it? I like the idea of keeping stock muffling if possible, but if it's worth 30+ hp and a significant reduction in response it might be worth it to me...

i must have misunderstood you, seemed like you were thinking high 11's-12.0s based off of 12.0s with a 1.9 60 with your f-body.

i went 12.6s with tune, intake, intercooler full weight car NO skinnies and pump gas, so im guessing maps turbo kit should be good for 11.50's-60's assuming it doesn't 60ft like a pig.

my full weight 98 camaro with a 100 dry shot went 11:70 at 120, but it was a freak it went 12.80 at 111 bone stock with dr, it was a 1le so a little lighter then a reg f-body though.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

i must have misunderstood you, seemed like you were thinking high 11's-12.0s based off of 12.0s with a 1.9 60 with your f-body.

Yeah...isn't that what I said?:shrug: I'm so confused...

Not my car, btw...and stupid factory hydraulic clutch stuff wouldn't allow me to shift any faster. Similar to yours it seems..dry nozzle plumbed into the 'lid'...all else stock. Fun and fast for a practically stock car at the time...

i went 12.6s with tune, intake, intercooler full weight car NO skinnies and pump gas, so im guessing maps turbo kit should be good for 11.50's-60's assuming it doesn't 60ft like a pig.

Yours is auto, correct? PP? Remember his is a stick shift. I've wondered how this kit would work w/ a stock converter'd auto...lag for days?

I ultimately think it depends on if Adam isn't afraid of breaking it. Does the Cobb launch control act as a 2 step and build boost, or is it more like a basic limiter?

 

[dragonacc]

Cobb's LC can use either fuel cut or throttle cut. 2 steps use ignition cut right?

Will a fuel cut LC let you build boost?

 

[tittermary]

Yeah...isn't that what I said?:shrug: I'm so confused...

Not my car, btw...and stupid factory hydraulic clutch stuff wouldn't allow me to shift any faster. Similar to yours it seems..dry nozzle plumbed into the 'lid'...all else stock. Fun and fast for a practically stock car at the time...



Yours is auto, correct? PP? Remember his is a stick shift. I've wondered how this kit would work w/ a stock converter'd auto...lag for days?

I ultimately think it depends on if Adam isn't afraid of breaking it. Does the Cobb launch control act as a 2 step and build boost, or is it more like a basic limiter?

oh stick shift ?!? yep your right, 11.80s at best I thought it was an auto
there wasa fix for that pos clutch in the f-body remove the check ball in clutch master and it would let shift as fast as you were able

i dunno stock convertor seems pretty loose i can foot break to 3300-3400

 

[MAPerformance]

Anyways, lol.

Turbo kit and stock exhaust is going to hold you back for sure. I can't put a number on it because I haven't tested it. I would guess 30hp loss, if not more. We were netting 18-22hp on exhaust only on our stock EBM.

 

[Nihil]

Anyways, lol.

Turbo kit and stock exhaust is going to hold you back for sure. I can't put a number on it because I haven't tested it. I would guess 30hp loss, if not more. We were netting 18-22hp on exhaust only on our stock EBM.

That was with a catless turbo back exhaust correct?

 

[MAPerformance]

That was with a catless turbo back exhaust correct?

That was our catback with stock downpipe that made the 18-22hp increase.

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[AngelOreo]

Any chance you can put a third graph on the Full P1 vs P1+Turbo DynoGraph referencing:

Bone Stock
Full P1
Full P1 + Turbo

I realize this may seem silly at this point, but I love to compare things, and while I can find a way to merge them, you might be able to do it a lot easier.

Thanks.

 

[MAPerformance]

Any chance you can put a third graph on the Full P1 vs P1+Turbo DynoGraph referencing:

Bone Stock
Full P1
Full P1 + Turbo

I realize this may seem silly at this point, but I love to compare things, and while I can find a way to merge them, you might be able to do it a lot easier.

Thanks.

Here is all 3 laid over. As you can see our turbo kit produces more power than the stock turbo will full bolt on's from 4,000rpms and on. Just a little bit of information both Automatic and Manual cars never come down below 4900rpms between shifts.

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