GT350 vs. Z/28

[DivineStrike]

What are you going on about?

That car has nothing to do with your car.

Your car is still lighter than a 15. And oh look, you're using a magazine weight...like your weren't yelling at me when you assumed my sources were only magazines. Which they are not..

That is an extremely heavy gt premium...most that I have seen are not that heavy.

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[thePill]

What are you going on about?

That car has nothing to do with your car.

Your car is still lighter than a 15. And oh look, you're using a magazine weight...like your weren't yelling at me when you assumed my sources were only magazines. Which they are not..

That is an extremely heavy gt premium...most that I have seen are not that heavy.

Yes, it is a heavy GT Premium. That doesn't negate the fact that it is already just as heavy as my car without a Brembo Package. So this 2011 GT has nothing to do with my 2011 GT? Please, tell me more!!! Oh, that's right, this GT didn't have a Brembo Package like my car did... Hmmmm.... Although it's much heavier than the reported weight. Oh well, scales must be wrong... everyone calibrate your scales because they are wrong.

The Brembo Package added nearly 70lbs onto a Base 2013's 3580lbs. Now, let's add that on top of a 3622lbs GT Premium and we get within 13lbs of a 2015.

Not making this up... and, you choose to use magazines as a sole source... Now I am using that against you here in order to support my claim from 5 months ago...

 

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Guys....

 

[thePill]

:bolt:

Don't leave yet, I need to run through the list of popular 18x10's and see if they will fit a 15 inch rotor and Brembo caliper. The GT350's front rotors need to go as does the GTPP's.

The rotor issue has been circumvented with AM rotors and calipers... Huge weight savings from a 15/15.5.

Just gimme a few, I will change gears after this...


Edit: LOL @ Scarface.

 

[DivineStrike]

Yes, it is a heavy GT Premium. That doesn't negate the fact that it is already just as heavy as my car without a Brembo Package. So this 2011 GT has nothing to do with my 2011 GT? Please, tell me more!!! Oh, that's right, this GT didn't have a Brembo Package like my car did... Hmmmm.... Although it's much heavier than the reported weight. Oh well, scales must be wrong... everyone calibrate your scales because they are wrong.

The Brembo Package added nearly 70lbs onto a Base 2013's 3580lbs. Now, let's add that on top of a 3622lbs GT Premium and we get within 13lbs of a 2015.

Not making this up... and, you choose to use magazines as a sole source... Now I am using that against you here in order to support my claim from 5 months ago...

I have already told you I am not using magazines as an only source, you clearly don't know how to read. And if you don't find them valid, how does you using one support your claims? I am using the weights of other 11-14 Gt owners who have weighed their cars.

Stop speculating on weight. There is no need for it. We were comparing your car, which is already heavier than other 11-14 GT premiums w/ brembo's...now you are bringing in a California Packaged premium.

And you are making some shit up...and clearly omitting facts to support you "claims"

Anyhow, I have already explained the Math here when it comes to weighing these cars on scales when they are empty on gas and trunk junk.

Last year your claims were "The 11-14 premiums didn't add that much weight over the base" Now you are saying they do.

Clearly you are just going to keep going back and forth and twist words and facts to try and support your ideas.

Fact: Currently all 15 GT Mustangs weigh 3687lbs (if we are to take your word on the weight of the 15 mustang you or whoever weighed) or more. Fact, With photographic evidence every 15 Mustang GT weighed has been 3700lbs or more with a full tank of gas and OEM equipment.

anyhow carry on if you like I'm done trying to explain these things to someone in denial.

I just hope other people see your fallacies for what they are.


I do however look forward to seeing how much your affiliates and other people's race spec S550 mustangs will wind up weighing.

 

[thePill]

Whatever... I suppose the '15 wasn't lighter... Even though I smashed your argument at every angle. They are not 82lbs heavier...

Real world results, here and many other places do not see a 3622lbs Premo Brembo. Premium maybe, Premium Brembo? No...

This is some of what I feared would happen. Discovered weight savings on the GT350 not accurately reported on the GT. That and some pretty minor decontenting could make up a good portion of the saved 135lbs.

If Ford optioned for expensive, lightweight performance equipment, the MSRP would begin to show. I am hoping it opens up at $52,995 for the GT350. I will not option a Track Pack or the "R". Those two packages eliminate a lot of road racing options. Both appear to be strictly for Track Day bragging. The Competition model is the Base GT350... Although, you will need to kick the front rotors off.

There is minor light weighting in the structure and panels. I am eager to see where the weight came from.

 

[DivineStrike]

Whatever... I suppose the '15 wasn't lighter... Even though I smashed your argument at every angle. They are not 82lbs heavier...

Real world results, here and many other places do not see a 3622lbs Premo Brembo.

Lol, you didn't smash my "argument" at all. I was telling you facts. And yes they are. Maybe not that much heavier than yours, but many other 11-14 premium brembo car's...YES.

I have seen several, Premium Brembo s197 cars weigh in at around 3620.


Anyhow, as you were saying about GT350's and z28's carry on with how much you love the 350 and hate the Z

 

[Stuntman]

Did you even read my post?

No...

LOL. I'm glad his filibustering tactic hasn't caused you to give in Divine. ThePill just uses information out of context in long, drawn out replies to win arguments by frustrating most people into giving up. He never sites his sources, the shops that he goes to or works at out of.

He's a self-proclaimed engineer (without a degree in ME), and racecar driver who posts all of this nonsense about racing, believing that club racing sanctioning bodies are the end-all for rules. There was a day when wheels weren't larger than 15" and now 18" wheels are the norm. In time, sanctioning bodies (even at the club level) will have to accept cars with 19's and larger than 14" brake rotors.

 

[thePill]

Lol, you didn't smash my "argument" at all. I was telling you facts. And yes they are. Maybe not that much heavier than yours, but many other 11-14 premium brembo car's...YES.

I have seen several, Premium Brembo s197 cars weigh in at around 3620.


Anyhow, as you were saying about GT350's and z28's carry on with how much you love the 350 and hate the Z

If my 3580lbs GT is BS, you might as well go tell Terry at Vorshlag that he's a liar too.

His weighed 3563lbs plus the 13lbs of trunk junk and very little fuel. That is 3676lbs bud... Only 4lbs lighter than what I reported. If my report didn't come months before everyone else's, I'd say there was a possibility I'm bullshitting... But, I was the first...

That is smashing... Because I have provided sources to back up my claim, both 3rd Party and magazines that actually weighed the cars.

LOL. I'm glad his filibustering tactic hasn't caused you to give in Divine. ThePill just uses information out of context in long, drawn out replies to win arguments by frustrating most people into giving up. He never sites his sources, the shops that he goes to or works at out of.

He's a self-proclaimed engineer (without a degree in ME), and racecar driver who posts all of this nonsense about racing, believing that club racing sanctioning bodies are the end-all for rules. There was a day when wheels weren't larger than 15" and now 18" wheels are the norm. In time, sanctioning bodies (even at the club level) will have to accept cars with 19's and larger than 14" brake rotors.

Self proclaimed? I went to school for most of these things. I proclaim that because I am identified as such.

Looks like the whole gang of butt-hurts are here. Nobody wants to talk about the z28 anymore?

Because now they know how retarded it was...

Don't it absolutely KILL you when all the numbers match up and all your stupid magazine articles report the same thing I do.

I love dragging you guys along... None of you have a real argument... I will give you the next page to cry and moan about something I spoke of months ago that is now being supported in the wild. Awwwww... My bottom lip is quivering for you all...

 

[DivineStrike]

If my 3580lbs GT is BS, you might as well go tell Terry at Vorshlag that he's a liar too.

His weighed 3563lbs plus the 13lbs of trunk junk and very little fuel. That is 3676lbs bud... Only 4lbs lighter than what I reported. If my report didn't come months before everyone else's, I'd say there was a possibility I'm bullshitting... But, I was the first...

That is smashing... Because I have provided sources to back up my claim, both 3rd Party and magazines that actually weighed the cars.


Don't it absolutely KILL you when all the numbers match up and all your stupid magazine articles report the same thing I do.

I love dragging you guys along... None of you have a real argument... I will give you the next page to cry and moan about something I spoke of months ago that is now being supported in the wild. Awwwww... My bottom lip is quivering for you all...

Those weights you are talking about are 11 gt weights. Again V's car was a well optioned premium. Never said you were lying about your car's weight. Just that other cars have weighed in at around 3620

and ooooohhhh, my weights are also backed by 3rd party and magazines lol


what numbers are matching up to any of your prior claims about the 15 GT???

 

[Sasuketr]

So the thread is gt350 vs z28 and we are still discussing weights on a regular or loaded gt. We all have to accept the fact that choosing a base gt pp or a loaded gt pp is not going to change the performance or numbers. If its in your budget and u want a kick ass luxury road/track car go with a loaded gt pp, or not, a base gt pp or even gt would work as well! Now after Ford dropping the ball on the mustang, i wouldn't believe on any weight rumors of the gt350. However, the gt350r is a different animal, and serves one purpose. A track monster. If they can shave even 200 lbs from a base gt i would be happy with it. 3500 lb voodoo powered masterpiece, possibly faster than a current z28. They need to fix the weight distribution though, otherwise the car will be tail happy! Cheers!

 

[DivineStrike]

So the thread is gt350 vs z28 and we are still discussing weights on a regular or loaded gt. We all have to accept the fact that choosing a base gt pp or a loaded gt pp is not going to change the performance or numbers. If its in your budget and u want a kick ass luxury road/track car go with a loaded gt pp, or not, a base gt pp or even gt would work as well! Now after Ford dropping the ball on the mustang, i wouldn't believe on any weight rumors of the gt350. However, the gt350r is a different animal, and serves one purpose. A track monster. If they can shave even 200 lbs from a base gt i would be happy with it. 3500 lb voodoo powered masterpiece, possibly faster than a current z28. They need to fix the weight distribution though, otherwise the car will be tail happy! Cheers!

I agree, aside from Ford dropping the ball on the GT losing weight, I would say my biggest disappointment is the weight distribution. Most of the weight reduction you can do to this car even makes it worse.

 

[DivineStrike]

ThePill, for argument's sake lets agree that an 11 GT premium w/ brembo weighs between 3620 on the light end and 3665ish on the heavy end (I have no idea where that 45 lb discrepancy is, it has to be in options somewhere). As we have both seen those numbers. I still don't see how your GT weighs 3680lbs... With your fuel weights and weight reduction...adding it all back, the math doesn't add up to that.

Your car starting with 3555lbs and say 3gallons of gas. Add 82lbs to fill it up, then the 13 or so for Washer fluid and engine plastics, then another 14 for Trunk junk and manual. That math comes out to 3665lbs for your GT. If you did weigh your car full of gas where did the extra 15 lbs come from?

 

[Fox5.0]

ThePill, for argument's sake lets agree that an 11 GT premium w/ brembo weighs between 3620 on the light end and 3665ish on the heavy end (I have no idea where that 45 lb discrepancy is, it has to be in options somewhere). As we have both seen those numbers. I still don't see how your GT weighs 3680lbs... With your fuel weights and weight reduction...adding it all back, the math doesn't add up to that.

Your car starting with 3555lbs and say 3gallons of gas. Add 82lbs to fill it up, then the 13 or so for Washer fluid and engine plastics, then another 14 for Trunk junk and manual. That math comes out to 3665lbs for your GT. If you did weigh your car full of gas where did the extra 15 lbs come from?

Its okay, its over. Just 15 lbs.....

 

[traxiii]

Yep, pissing contest that goes on forever. Can't wait to see the GT350 run at Sebring so we'll have something else to talk about.

I am interested to see where thePill's GT ends up at race weight after all the mods and weight reduction. I was just thinking that throwing the 2015 resonator in the trunk of the 2011 would get things close to even, with almost a 50lb. swing. That would be my first mod on the new Stang, 23lbs of useless stainless and fiberglass. I'm assuming the GT350 will not have that huge paperweight installed.

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