GT350 vs. Z/28

[Grimace427]

• the 3705 lbs is proven to bee with NO OPTIONS! No base cars with 0 options are 45lbs below the 3705lbs.

This is the only base manual GT I've seen on a scale. Every other was either an auto or had the PP.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665

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[thePill]

Euro Launch GT testing in Michigan today!

It won't be long Euro-readers! Not much left after brakes!!!

 

[DivineStrike]

This is the only base manual GT I've seen on a scale. Every other was either an auto or had the PP.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665

yes but that is a weight at 3 miles to empty and no trunk junk.

If you add in the math of fuel weight and trunk junk. That car has a curb weight of a little over 3700lbs

and Yes I am with you on that, the only other car's i've seen were an auto or w/ pp

 

[thePill]

You weighed your car at 3555 with 1/4 tank of gas (4 gallons that is 25.2lbs) Subtract that weight and leave half a gallon in. That is a weight of 3532.1lbs plus about 6lbs for that gallon of washer fluid you removed. That puts your car at about 3538.1lbs with equal fluids. Which is 40lbs less than the 15 you weighed with equal fluids

Sorry I miscalculated earlier, I will fix my post. I subtracted an extra 10lbs on accident and didn't leave half a gallon in before.

Unless your washer fluid is more than a gallon. The 15 only has a gallon reservoir





I think you made a typo here. 3580lbs full fluids and equipment would make your car under 3500lbs empty.

However that doesn't even matter. if you do the math correctly, your Gt is still lighter than the 15

Lol at telling me how much my car scaled at.

Full washer fluid was 10lbs if I remember, the trunk equipment was 14lbs if I can remember right. 3555lbs+10+14= 3579.x

So... No... My GT didn't weigh an amazing 3530lbs. I would have been hitting that number up often. I also had my sound tube deleted and my hood padding removed too now that I think of it. Also my plastic rad cover...

I did have the 401a which gave me a manual passenger seat still. Doesn't the '15's have both Driver and Passenger? I think they do...

My wheels were 56-57lbs with the tire, these 18's were 54lbs. The '15's brakes are heavier and larger in the rear, I think this years 14's were 26-27lbs and last years were 23-25lbs. Plus, 30-40lbs of new airbag to remove...

Personally, I was thrilled...

 

[DivineStrike]

Lol at telling me how much my car scaled at.

Full washer fluid was 10lbs if I remember, the trunk equipment was 14lbs if I can remember right. 3555lbs+10+14= 3579.x

So... No... My GT didn't weigh an amazing 3530lbs. I would have been hitting that number up often. I also had my sound tube deleted and my hood padding removed too now that I think of it. Also my plastic rad cover...

I did have the 401a which gave me a manual passenger seat still. Doesn't the '15's have both Driver and Passenger? I think they do...

My wheels were 56-57lbs with the tire, these 18's were 54lbs. The '15's brakes are heavier and larger in the rear, I think this years 14's were 26-27lbs and last years were 23-25lbs. Plus, 30-40lbs of new airbag to remove...

Personally, I was thrilled...

If you subtract the extra fuel that was in your car, that is how much it weighed. and if you add in that equipment to your car you have to add it back to the 15 as well.


Your typo was saying adding in fluids...In your calculations of 3580 you were not including fuel...which is a fluid.

 

[thePill]

Did you even read my post?

No...

If you subtract the extra fuel that was in your car, that is how much it weighed. and if you add in that equipment to your car you have to add it back to the 15 as well.

My car maybe had 2.5 gallons, the '15 had 1-1 1/2. 6lbs, 9lbs maybe... 12 at the most.

But I had pulled a handful of weight out under the hood, nothing major, under 10lbs.

Why is this a big issue again?

So that '15 was 3lbs lighter than my '11... Still a fact in my experience...

 

[DivineStrike]

No...


Wow you didn't even read it....what other factual information are you "not reading" so you can blindly make these assumptions.


My car maybe had 2.5 gallons, the '15 had 1-1 1/2. 6lbs, 9lbs maybe... 12 at the most.

But I had pulled a handful of weight out under the hood, nothing major, under 10lbs.

Why is this a big issue again?

So that '15 was 3lbs lighter than my '11... Still a fact in my experience...

not a fact even in your "experience". You added the trunk junk back to your car and didn't add it to the 15. your 11 is still lighter.

No the 15 wasn't lighter.

Say Your car actually had 2.5 gallons of gas, it is 3555lbs. (your reservoir is 3.5 qts capacity maybe a whole gallon if you top it off, that is about 6lbs ish maybe less, unless you removed the whole tank)

your car add in 6 lbs for fluids then maybe 7 lbs on your under hood stuff. that's 13lbs

putting your car at 3568. Still 10lbs lighter than the 15 which had less gas in it still.

Make things equal at these calculations (assuming it is 1 gallon of gas in the 15)

Your car at those same levels is 3558...still lighter than the 15.


You went from saying your car had 1/4 tank of gas in it with 50 miles to E on it (which is at least 4 gallons) when your car was weighed, to saying 3 gallons, now you are saying 2.5 gallons.

Wtf is the truth man?



Your car is lighter than the 15 gt you weighed under all circumstances given fluid levels and standard equipment levels are the same. (IE trunk junk and underhood stuff)

The 15 at 7 miles to empty is at most a gallon in the tank. I have filled my car several times with less than 10 to empty. I rarely put less than 15 gallons in at that point, of course that will change dependent on what your driving like on that tank.

 

[thePill]

At the time yes, the '15 was almost 3lbs lighter. I remove another gallon or two and the '15 would have been 3-9lbs heavier... but adding in my deleted equipment would even it back out. I was pretty pumped that it wasn't 80-130lbs like previously advertised.

Either way, right now, the worst case is a 30lbs differance between Terry's 2011 and the 2015 GT he weighed. You start finding 2013-'14's and you will find they are the same or heavier. I don't think there are many 3560lbs '13-'14's around, they were about 15-25lbs heavier on average.


FYI: Fluid means Washer Fluid, not fuel.


Terry will have a Premium GTPP decontenting write-up no doubt. I would follow that.


Also, thanks to BMR For their help here.

 

[DivineStrike]

At the time yes, the '15 was almost 3lbs lighter. I remove another gallon or two and the '15 would have been 3-9lbs heavier... but adding in my deleted equipment would even it back out. I was pretty pumped that it wasn't 80-130lbs like previously advertised.

Either way, right now, the worst case is a 30lbs differance between Terry's 2011 and the 2015 GT he weighed. You start finding 2013-'14's and you will find they are the same or heavier. I don't think there are many 3560lbs '13-'14's around, they were about 15-25lbs heavier on average.


FYI: Fluid means Washer Fluid, not fuel.

No fluid is liquid....but I see you meant fluid as singular

Terry will have a Premium GTPP decontenting write-up no doubt. I would follow that.


Also, thanks to BMR For their help here.

Please explain to us how even with your weights of 3555 on your 11 GT with more fuel +13lbs of washer fluid and engine plastics (that's 3568 lbs btw), is heavier than a 15 GT of 3577lbs with less fuel?

There won't be many 15 Base GT's weighing in at 3680-3705lbs either. Most will have more options.

btw we have no way to verify the actual weight of your vehicle to compare the two. As you keep changing how much fuel you say was in your car at the time it was weighed. Dependent on that it changes from 40 to 20lbs when comparing your car. However that isn't a fair comparison either. It appears your car however it was optioned is heavier than most.

Most 11-14 GT premiums w/ brembo's or TP weighed around 3620 from the factory, where most 15 GT base models will weigh anywhere from 3680-3705.

 

[thePill]

Again, my '11 and the '15 are right on top each other. My GT weighed nearly 3580lbs with 10lbs of washer fluid, 14lbs of trunk junk. At the time, my 2011 GT was 3lbs heavier than the 2015. I cannot change that...

Yes, there was maybe a gallon or two in the S197 that wasn't in the S550. However, I had maybe 10lbs pulled out of the engine bay (sound tube, hood padding and rad cover).

Vorshlag has a picture of his 2011 Brembo Premo on scales and it weighed 3563lbs. I can't remember if his fluid was pulled or if he did anything I did under the hood. Regardless, in his experience, his GT was 30lbs heavier than his 2011.


You know we are talking about a 2011 right? The 2013-2014's got a little heavier.

My GT didn't weigh 3530lbs empty, it weighed 3680lbs the first full scale. That's 150 gallons of gas or 25 gallons of fuel. The S550's tank is under 16 gallons...

I personally seen a weight loss as did T and Wolf. Terry saw a weight gain of 30lbs BUT, consider his GT and what he may have additionally removed. Also consider that there are lighter Mustangs out there then the very first one he weighed.

Just as we anticipate a 3550lbs scale, we also anticipate a 3600lbs car as well.

A 25lbs spread is actually right on par with the S197's spread.

 

[thePill]

I REPEAT!!! If weight is a MAJOR concern, DO NOT select options. I specifically warned you about this once I got to discuss a torn down S550 waaaaaaaaaaaay back in November. Now with BMR's report, there shouldn't be any boo hoo'ing when you find out you have a 3800lbs Mustang.

I don't care how awful you feel about the 125-150lbs you paid an extra $5000-$12,000 for.

We feel there is a 5-6lbs saving in the Recaro's PER SEAT. It is expensive but, NONE of these S550's discussed had them equipped.

Edit: No, a GT Premium weighed 3622lbs. A Brembo/Performance Package added in between 50-70lbs.

I'm sorry, the Base 2015 is far better equipped, better performing and cheaper than a 2014 Premo Brembo GT... and about the same weight.

In my opinion, if the weights get within the spread, I'm done splitting these hairs. There are just too many variations from car to car to say "ALL 2015's weigh 3705lbs".

It just isn't happening.

Yes it sucks magazines reported the lowest figure and never weighed the cars. C&D weighed a 2012 at 3672lbs... That is pretty close to mine wouldn't you say?

Fords 3622lbs is Premium only, still equipped with 18" ALL SEASONS and 13/12 inch rotors.

That is not a fair comparison... Roll the Mustang II on the scales... It's probably lighter than the 2005.

 

[DivineStrike]

Wtf? 150 gallons? 25 gallons?

And you still refrain from adding in the trunk junk weight back to the 15 gt after you added that weight back to your gt.

And at the time you're gt was 22 pounds lighter

Why do you keep bringing up premium weight of the 15...I'm not comparing any of that

 

[DivineStrike]

You are straight up lying that your gt was heavier than the 15 you weighed.

The 15 is heavier

 

[Norm Peterson]

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[thePill]

Here, the very first V8 test of a 2011 Premium GT

This IS NOT a Brembo GT, does not have Recaro's AND is full of fuel.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/2011/comparison-test.html


How much did that NON-Brembo 2011 Premo GT CS weigh?

3660lbs...

40lbs heavier than officially advertised. 1 damn gallon of fuel makes a 3660lbs GT Premium into a???

Into A???

Into A????

Into a 3550lbs GT... and that is REALLY, REALLY light for a GT Brembo (which this is NOT).

I am not looking for more because it will upset you. That means we are looking at a (gasp!!!) 3700lbs Premo Brembo '11?

Sure seems that way to me...

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