GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

I think you need to read what they weigh thread. The total weight difference between pp tires and wheels and front brake upgrade is only 39llbs so where are you getting the other 60lbs. The tires and brakes are the biggest weight gain, all the other stuff is minimal.

Does the PP wheels/tires not weigh 63lbs? and the stock ones? 50? I was being nice and said the front wheel/tires were only 8lbs heavier. I don't actually think that is the case.

The 15" rotors weigh what? 34lbs? and last years 14's were? 22lbs?

I am up for conversation but... that is more than 39lbs...

From base 18"s to the 19's is roughly 13lbs. The rear tires are heavier I think.

With just the wheels, tires and front rotors... It is pretty heavy...

I didn't add in the sways, springs, shocks (if different), bracing or any of the support equipment. Just the heavy stuff first. The Z51 Package is very similar to the GTPP's. It adds in a Dry Sump (that would be nice) and a few other things. that package weighs 150lbs.

Doesn't the GTPP have a cooler or two? That was 13,16,19lbs (can't remember). The rear rotors and actual calipers? Hello???

So, tell me again how a Base GT and a GTPP weighs 3705lbs and 3718lbs. I want to hear this... Nobody here is going to convince me a Performance Package only weighs 12lbs... It doesn't...

Have you every considered the eu numbers are not correct? There are no official specs on eu fords website, just that spec sheet from Oct of last year. Do you really think the eu EB car gains 30lbs over the U.S. car, yet the GT some how looses nearly 70lbs.:shrug:

Yep, nothing on paper from Ford is correct... Nothing, not the numbers, lap times, ratings, weighs, measurements...


It's all got to be wrong...

The thing with US Curb Weights is, you have NO IDEA what the manufacture expects to sell OR, how much those options weigh. The only thing we can do is weigh the car. I know a Performance Pack GT is heavier than a Base. The reason the EU Mustang is so heavy is because it is a Performance Pack EB Mustang. Performance Pack and some Premium options are forced onto the Mustang as standard. Our base has a 6 speaker system, theirs has a 9 speaker. We have cloth manual seats, they have leather, they have 15" rotors, our base has 14" rotors... They have the PP sways and braces, we don't...

If you have seen a GTPP w/ Recaro's weigh 3718lbs, then a Base GT can only weigh less... PERIOD.... and it's not going to weigh 3705lbs. Use your head... The 2011-'12 Performance Package was 60-70lbs, this years has far more equipment added and all of it is larger. I have no idea what some of you are thinking...

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[02gtnh]

He has a GTPP that weighs 3718lbs... and I guess deleting that equipment wouldn't alter the weight... Got it..

I also left some of the equipment out of my weight figures. I stopped once I got well over 100lbs.

His fuel tank was empty, now add a full tank.:headbonk:

 

[02gtnh]

Does the PP wheels/tires not weigh 63lbs? and the stock ones? 50? I was being nice and said the front wheel/tires were only 8lbs heavier. I don't actually think that is the case.

The 15" rotors weigh what? 34lbs? and last years 14's were? 22lbs?

I am up for conversation but... that is more than 39lbs...

From base 18"s to the 19's is roughly 13lbs. The rear tires are heavier I think.

With just the wheels, tires and front rotors... It is pretty heavy...

I didn't add in the sways, springs, shocks (if different), bracing or any of the support equipment. Just the heavy stuff first. The Z51 Package is very similar to the GTPP's. It adds in a Dry Sump (that would be nice) and a few other things. that package weighs 150lbs.

Doesn't the GTPP have a cooler or two? That was 13,16,19lbs (can't remember). The rear rotors and actual calipers? Hello???

So, tell me again how a Base GT and a GTPP weighs 3705lbs and 3718lbs. I want to hear this... Nobody here is going to convince me a Performance Package only weighs 12lbs... It doesn't...



Yep, nothing on paper from Ford is correct... Nothing, not the numbers, lap times, ratings, weighs, measurements...


It's all got to be wrong...

The thing with US Curb Weights is, you have NO IDEA what the manufacture expects to sell OR, how much those options weigh. The only thing we can do is weigh the car. I know a Performance Pack GT is heavier than a Base. The reason the EU Mustang is so heavy is because it is a Performance Pack EB Mustang. Performance Pack and some Premium options are forced onto the Mustang as standard. Our base has a 6 speaker system, theirs has a 9 speaker. We have cloth manual seats, they have leather, they have 15" rotors, our base has 14" rotors... They have the PP sways and braces, we don't...

If you have seen a GTPP w/ Recaro's weigh 3718lbs, then a Base GT can only weigh less... PERIOD.... and it's not going to weigh 3705lbs. Use your head... The 2011-'12 Performance Package was 60-70lbs, this years has far more equipment added and all of it is larger. I have no idea what some of you are thinking...

We're talking about a base GT and a PP GT, not a 2014 GT. :shrug:

 

[thePill]

We're talking about a base GT and a PP GT, not a 2014 GT. :shrug:

Yes, and the equipment weight more than likely carried over. Either way, we are well above 70lbs.

Which would likely make a 3718lbs GT weigh?

His fuel tank was empty, now add a full tank.:headbonk:

and that still leaves a GTPP on here at 3744lbs..

That still leaves quite a bit of GTPP's weighing 3720-3740lbs. Were they all out of gas?

AND, it is a 12 Speaker Premium anyway!!!

This has power leather seats (not the leather Recarcos we ordered) with Sat Nav, 12 speaker stereo, the bigger 15" 6-piston brakes, the 19x9/19x9.5" wheels, the works.

It is impossible for a Premium GTPP to weigh under 3700lbs. This is the absolute heaviest Mustang there is... A Premium GTPP w/ Electric Leather Seats weighs 3808-3822lbs.

Delete the Premium, Delete the Performance Pack and the vehicle would likely be under 3600lbs empty, as is. He says that the car had the works, probably some stand alone options too.

We have seen a Base car under 3600 and a 1/4 tank. That is just the way it is. If there wasn't other people weighing GTPP's at 3720-3740lbs, it would be hard to argue. However, that is fact. Bringing another loaded Mustang in here to win a weight argument is getting tiresome. We all know a loaded Mustang is heavy, why must you use the absolute worst case?

To make a 3870lbs z28 look light?


HA!!!

All these heavier parts on the GT this year would have me bracing for weight loss on the GT350. It very well may beat these listed weights fairly easily. Did you know that a GTPP has nearly 100lbs of rotational at each wheel?

A good question would be... Would you even need 15" rotors if you didn't have 100lbs rotating at each corner? I doubt it...

Here is one under 50m o E and a SPARE TIRE!! You are not going to convince me otherwise...

 

[Sasuketr]

Has anyone here scaled a limited edition car with 20" wheels, auto trans, ACC and all that chrome?

 

[thePill]

Has anyone here scaled a limited edition car with 20" wheels, auto trans, ACC and all that chrome?

Not yet, it is hard to find Base GT's and Truely Loaded up Mustang's at all... Which is why Ford probably used a Premium or PP in the 3705.

Here is a FULLY LOADED, PREMIUM GTPP!!! on I believe 3/4 (or about 20-25lbs)

So, a 12 Speaker Premium and Performance Package only weighs 65lbs?

Get the f@ck outta here...

My question is... How does a Base GT and a Loaded Premium GTPP weigh nearly the same?

I have the answer!!! They don't!!

 

[thePill]

6th Gen, looking meaty...

 

[02gtnh]

Yes, and the equipment weight more than likely carried over. Either way, we are well above 70lbs.

Which would likely make a 3718lbs GT weigh?



and that still leaves a GTPP on here at 3744lbs..

That still leaves quite a bit of GTPP's weighing 3720-3740lbs. Were they all out of gas?

AND, it is a 12 Speaker Premium anyway!!!



It is impossible for a Premium GTPP to weigh under 3700lbs. This is the absolute heaviest Mustang there is... A Premium GTPP w/ Electric Leather Seats weighs 3808-3822lbs.

Delete the Premium, Delete the Performance Pack and the vehicle would likely be under 3600lbs empty, as is. He says that the car had the works, probably some stand alone options too.

We have seen a Base car under 3600 and a 1/4 tank. That is just the way it is. If there wasn't other people weighing GTPP's at 3720-3740lbs, it would be hard to argue. However, that is fact. Bringing another loaded Mustang in here to win a weight argument is getting tiresome. We all know a loaded Mustang is heavy, why must you use the absolute worst case?

To make a 3870lbs z28 look light?


HA!!!

All these heavier parts on the GT this year would have me bracing for weight loss on the GT350. It very well may beat these listed weights fairly easily. Did you know that a GTPP has nearly 100lbs of rotational at each wheel?

A good question would be... Would you even need 15" rotors if you didn't have 100lbs rotating at each corner? I doubt it...

Here is one under 50m o E and a SPARE TIRE!! You are not going to convince me otherwise...

Do you read before you type? The guys premium GTPP weighed 3718 on empty with no junk in the trunk. He said the trunk junk weighed 13lbs, so add that to 3718 and your up to 3731. Now fill the tank which will be about 14 gal being on empty, that adds 84lbs. Now your at 3815 or just 3lbs less then what mags say. So that leaves 110 lbs for the weight of a pp package and premium. Yep that sounds about right. So no matter how many ways you want to twist your numbers on guessing how much the packages weight, just except that the base weight on Fords website is a base car with no options. Plus that weight you showed at 3683 is suppose to be what?

 

[02gtnh]

Not yet, it is hard to find Base GT's and Truely Loaded up Mustang's at all... Which is why Ford probably used a Premium or PP in the 3705.

Here is a FULLY LOADED, PREMIUM GTPP!!! on I believe 3/4 (or about 20-25lbs)

So, a 12 Speaker Premium and Performance Package only weighs 65lbs?

Get the f@ck outta here...

My question is... How does a Base GT and a Loaded Premium GTPP weigh nearly the same?

I have the answer!!! They don't!!

You need to take math class.

 

[thePill]

Do you read before you type? The guys premium GTPP weighed 3718 on empty with no junk in the trunk. He said the trunk junk weighed 13lbs, so add that to 3718 and your up to 3731. Now fill the tank which will be about 14 gal being on empty, that adds 84lbs. Now your at 3815 or just 3lbs less then what mags say. So that leaves 110 lbs for the weight of a pp package and premium. Yep that sounds about right. So no matter how many ways you want to twist your numbers on guessing how much the packages weight, just except that the base weight on Fords website is a base car with no options. Plus that weight you showed at 3683 is suppose to be what?

If only the Performance Package didn't weigh almost 100lbs itself, then that would work.

Your telling me that a base only gains 110lbs with everything checked?

When last year the cars gained 180lbs? I am sorry, this years packages and stand alone options DO NOT weigh 110lbs. I am sorry, that isn't happening. Not with the coolers and braces and brakes and wheels and electric 6 way heated/cooled seats and a 12 speaker option...

We would be lucky if it was under 200lbs of garbage added from base to loaded.

Not happening...

This is weight easily removed and most of it in the Performance Package is rotational mass. The GT350 will benefit not only in the large reduction overall, but most of that is wheel and rotor weight.

 

[02gtnh]

I've allready told you that the pp tires and wheels with the front brembo package only adds 39lbs to the base GT. So that leaves 71-75 lbs for the rest. Show me where the speakers, power seats and brackets weight more the that.

 

[thePill]

I've allready told you that the pp tires and wheels with the front brembo package only adds 39lbs to the base GT. So that leaves 71-75 lbs for the rest. Show me where the speakers, power seats and brackets weight more the that.

The front rotors weigh 33lbs a piece man, the 14's weighed 22lbs. The base wheel/tire weighs 50-55lbs, the PP wheel/tire was 63lbs.

Front Rotors: 22lbs
Rear Rotors: 8lbs
Cooler: 13,16 or 19lbs
Larger Rad: 5lbs
Calipers: 14lbs for all four
Wheels and Tires: 8lbs a piece for front/Can't remember the rear. Just say 35lbs.

I am being generous and leaving equipment out.

22,8,13,5,14,35=97lbs. I think the cooler is actually heavier than 13lbs, the sways added 5-7lbs, strut tower brace was 2lbs... There is other stuff as well.

That isn't even looking at the Premium weight OR stand alone options like SAT NAV, E Package and all the other little garbage. The 12 Speaker System is far heavier than the 6 AND, it has an Amp. The Leather Heated and Cooled Seats are over 70lbs. There is a lot of weight here that wasn't present on the previous Premium's... which added 45lbs on up to 60lbs depending on your stereo. There was no 12 speaker option though, if I remember correctly.

 

[02gtnh]

The front rotors weigh 33lbs a piece man, the 14's weighed 22lbs. The base wheel/tire weighs 50-55lbs, the PP wheel/tire was 63lbs.



I am being generous and leaving equipment out.

Read this, it will answer a lot.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15864

 

[thePill]

Read this, it will answer a lot.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15864

Yep, it does...

I found 10lbs in the brakes (instead of 22lbs) and the wheel weight is 39lbs (not 35lbs like I said)

I said 14lbs for the calipers and it is closer to 16lbs for all four.

My weights were low except the front rotors (12lbs off).

Still doesn't convince me. The package is heavy all around.

They scaled a Base GTPP at 3746lbs. It is the heaviest one so far. Deleting the equipment weight and replacing some of it on that list would bring the Base GT down below 3700 flat. Everything isn't listed either, that is just the savings he has shown us on a select amount of pieces.

Removing the PP wheels alone puts it at 3707lbs (down from 3746). Does the rotors, calipers, coolers, sways, braces or anything else added (and there is) not weigh anything?

 

[02gtnh]

Yep, it does...

I found 10lbs in the brakes (instead of 22lbs) and the wheel weight is 39lbs (not 35lbs like I said)

I said 14lbs for the calipers and it is closer to 16lbs for all four.

My weights were low except the front rotors (12lbs off).

Still doesn't convince me. The package is heavy all around.

What are you reading, the front tire weigh 6lbs more and the rears 10lbs. That equals 32lbs. The whole front brakes are only 7lbs apart. That's 39lbs.

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