What’s the deal with some of these import Canadian Mustangs?

[Corporate_Rebel]

Don’t let anybody tell you it should or will hurt trade in value, they’re full of shit, especially a Ford when all warranties, factory, ESP, recalls etc. transfer. Ford is Ford North America and every vehicle is built to North American spec, not American and Canadian spec. Porsche, BMW are the same way to Ford as well. Some manufactures are different though, such as Mercedes, and CDJR. Mercedes for instance is Mercedes Canada and Mercedes USA, so they are slightly different vehicles, and their warranties do not transfer. If you pull up Manheim and KBB on your truck, it will have the same exact value as an original American sold truck. After all, they’re the same exact truck and all come from Flat Rock. Maybe things have changed since 2015 possibly, but every Mach 1 I see, and truck I see that was originally sold in the Canadian market is being sold at full price, so don’t let them gouge you.

To answer your question, I don’t get any messages like that on my car. That leads me to ask, in your door jamb, next to the other stickers, is there a sticker from importation? If so, who is listed as the importer?

I checked the door frames on every door, no import sticker, nothing on any jamb all around the truck. Only thing on there is the traditional ford stickers and ironically the truck was made in Dearborn.

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[Mach 307]

I checked the door frames on every door, no import sticker, nothing on any jamb all around the truck. Only thing on there is the traditional ford stickers and ironically the truck was made in Dearborn.

Dearborn is actually correct, that’s my bad. I said Flatrock because that’s where the Mustangs are made so I’m so used to saying that. F150’s are made in Dearborn, USA, Canada etc. Though the lack of registered importer sticker, leads me to believe a Canadian likely came into the US with the truck and imported it themself. That’s maybe why the cluster says some weird stuff like that, because maybe it wasn’t converted fully correctly? That’d be my guess. If you want that to go away, I’d find someone who can program the EEPROM, such as a registered importer potentially in your area, may be able to help. Or swapping a US cluster altogether.

 

[kellyreno]

Honestly my original Mach 1 was without the handling package I bought that one in around June 2025. I did a lot of research after I got that car as I originally thought the HP was just a splitter, spoiler, wheel arches, wheels and tires only. I found out it was bolt on suspension parts as well, okay no problem, but the reason I bought this car was to keep the warranty in tact. So quite honestly I didn’t want to do bolt ons, even OEM to it. I then really researched the handling package in depth and found a few other discrepancies such as the EPAS is different than non-HP cars and that’s not a simple bolt on, it’s almost, if not impossible to swap different EPAS between S550 vehicles. It started all to bother me as I bought this to be a long term vehicle, if not lifetime, so every night before bed I’d search extensively for a car that had all four options I wanted. Handling package, elite package, Recaro seats, and the tremec manual transmission. This proved extremely hard to find until I found the car at Jacky Jones in Georgia at around 3am one night in August. I called the next day, a Tuesday, and set up the deal for Thursday as that was my day off. I live in Illinois, and my only days off are Thursday, and Sunday. So, I had to make it work. I woke up Wednesday morning, went about my day, went to work, then Wednesday at around 11PM shoved off for Georgia. I drove straight there and arrived around 11AM Thursday. Traded in my previous Mach 1 for the Race Red HP car I own now, and was back on the road around 1PM, to which I drove straight back and got home around 11:30PM Thursday. So, I was up around two days straight give or take. Wouldn’t trade it for the world, but with how hard this car was to find it was my only option. It being Canadian originally made 0 difference to me as they’re literally the same exact car, and truth be told I wouldn’t of found another spec’d this way with only 2,000 miles, I don’t think. I’ve seen one other since, a 2021 spec’d the same way, with 81 miles, Grabber Yellow, at you guessed it, Jacky Jones in Cleveland, Georgia. I didn’t drive the tail of the dragon it self, but I drove a very similar road a bit West of the tail of the dragon.

They have 3 Mach 1s and a couple of Shelbys including this one https://www.jackyjonescdjr.com/inve...ang-shelby-gt500-rwd-coupe-1fa6p8sj7n5502434/
Alot of cool stuff for a small Town dealer.

 

[Mach 307]

They have 3 Mach 1s and a couple of Shelbys including this one https://www.jackyjonescdjr.com/inve...ang-shelby-gt500-rwd-coupe-1fa6p8sj7n5502434/
Alot of cool stuff for a small Town dealer.

So when I went, they were telling me about how they move a ton of Mustangs. The guys that worked with me, my sales person and finance guy both owned GT350’s. When I was there, there was a Super Snake, GT350, 14’ GT500 etc. on the lot. My sales guy even had on a Shelby hat, and the finance guy had a picture of a GT350 hung up in the office lol. Sounded like a lot of the dealership would attend Mustang shows and stuff. Makes sense because Jacky Jones himself has a massive Mustang collection, but pretty funny because it’s a Dodge dealer.

Makes me really trust my car because they see so many Mustangs, they probably know what to avoid.

 

[Mach 307]

Hey guys, curious what you think about this. When I purchased the car on 08/28/2025 I purchased a Ford ESP that day. The ESP was a “new” ESP as the car was within the 41 month window of the original factory warranty to qualify for such. Though the ESP it self says it began on 03/28/2025.

I found this interesting because this is how a “new” car ESP behaves.

So does that mean my vehicle was first sold as “new” on 03/28/2025? Which reported to the carfax 03/30/2025, but was simply the dealer registering it so they could auction it, and from 10/25/2022-03/28/2025ish sat as a showroom vehicle at Val Estrie Ford rather than having an owner?

Let me know what you think! My original thoughts on its history are above.

 

[Skye]

So does that mean my vehicle was first sold as “new” on 03/28/2025?

It looks that way. Ford is keying in on the March 2025 date, not June of 2022 (date of manufacture), not August of 2025 (date of purchase).

I'd forgotten the vehicle was originally from Canada. However the paperwork was prepped for the transfer across the border, Ford does appear to be viewing it as a new car. The Spring of 2025 is the first time that vehicle would be registered in the US and have a US title. When the vehicle was made and shipped to Canada, all it had was a Certificate of Origin. From June of 2022 to March of 2025, there were no US registration or title documents.

March of 2025 is, "Warranty Start Date, for the New Vehicle Limited Warranty, means the date on which the Vehicle was placed into original service."

I wonder if others who have imported from Canada and other countries have also seen same.

 

[Mach 307]

It looks that way. Ford is keying in on the March 2025 date, not June of 2022 (date of manufacture), not August of 2025 (date of purchase).

I'd forgotten the vehicle was originally from Canada. However the paperwork was prepped for the transfer across the border, Ford does appear to be viewing it as a new car. The Spring of 2025 is the first time that vehicle would be registered in the US and have a US title. When the vehicle was made and shipped to Canada, all it had was a Certificate of Origin. From June of 2022 to March of 2025, there were no US registration or title documents.

March of 2025 is, "Warranty Start Date, for the New Vehicle Limited Warranty, means the date on which the Vehicle was placed into original service."

What does that make you think the vehicle was during that time then that it wasn’t placed into its original service date? I also noticed the first report after its delivery mileage at Dixie Ford that was reported on 10/25/2022 at Val Estrie is roughly the mileage from Dixie Ford to Val Estrie. So maybe Val Estrie bought it as some sort of show car? I don’t know that’s where my mind is going.

I thought maybe Ford goes based of US registration for the ESP is why, but then I took a look at my previous, also Canadian origin, 2023 Oxford White Mach 1’s Carfax and ESP paperwork shown below. Which the ESP start date aligns exactly with the “first owner reported” on the Carfax.

I wonder if I reached out to Val Estrie if they’d tell me. I just find this kinda stuff interesting really!

 

[Skye]

What does that make you think the vehicle was during that time then that it wasn’t placed into its original service date?

A new, unregistered vehicle.

We'd previously had a thread on a ultra-low mileage vehicle for sale by a dealer. Several posts involved titling and what constitutes a new or used car.

From the US Federal Trade Commission: "Previously titled or not, any vehicle driven for purposes other than moving or test driving is considered a used vehicle, including light-duty vans, light-duty trucks, demonstrators, and program cars that meet the following specifications..."

The definition of new and used car can vary by state.

From my state's Secretary of State: "A motor vehicle which has been used by a dealer solely for the purpose of demonstration to prospective customers shall be considered a “new vehicle”, unless such demonstration use has been for more than Fifteen Hundred (1500) miles." Notice there is no mention of time. The car could be X years old, but with less than 1500 mi / 2400 km, it's still new, can be sold as new.

In the example of the Race Red Mach, the dealers probably kept it on demo/dealer tags until registered.

So maybe Val Estrie bought it as some sort of show car?

I think so, yes. While it might have always been on offer, given the location, I think it spent most of its time in the showroom, drawing people in. When outside, it was a demo and test drive car for selling a 6G, especially a Mach. I suspect its transfer and sale was triggered by the arrival of the 7G, which would have been on offer in late 2024.

I thought maybe Ford goes based of US registration for the ESP...

The data you provided shows, 1) CarFax captures US and CAN registration data and 2) Ford ESP uses the date of initial registration when establishing a contract.

Section 7 describes what is not covered by Ford ESP.

From ESP, section 7k: "Repairs to the Vehicle necessary due to operation outside of the
United States, Guam, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, or Canada"

From ESP, section 7x: "Vehicles manufactured for sale outside the United States, or
Canada"

The statements above imply Ford ESP covers and tracks cars inside the areas noted.

Vehicle 1, the 2023 Oxford White Mach 1. As you pointed out, the car was registered and first owner reported in June of 2024. Ford then used the date of 06/24 in the warranty.

Vehicle 2, the 2022 Race Red Mach 1. The initial registration appears to be in March of 2025, as they were prepping the car for export, transfer and sale. 03/25 is later used by Ford ESP.

 

[Mach 307]

A new, unregistered vehicle.

We'd previously had a thread on a ultra-low mileage vehicle for sale by a dealer. Several posts involved titling and what constitutes a new or used car.

From the US Federal Trade Commission: "Previously titled or not, any vehicle driven for purposes other than moving or test driving is considered a used vehicle, including light-duty vans, light-duty trucks, demonstrators, and program cars that meet the following specifications..."

The definition of new and used car can vary by state.

From my state's Secretary of State: "A motor vehicle which has been used by a dealer solely for the purpose of demonstration to prospective customers shall be considered a “new vehicle”, unless such demonstration use has been for more than Fifteen Hundred (1500) miles." Notice there is no mention of time. The car could be X years old, but with less than 1500 mi / 2400 km, it's still new, can be sold as new.

In the example of the Race Red Mach, the dealers probably kept it on demo/dealer tags until registered.



I think so, yes. While it might have always been on offer, given the location, I think it spent most of its time in the showroom, drawing people in. When outside, it was a demo and test drive car for selling a 6G, especially a Mach. I suspect its transfer and sale was triggered by the arrival of the 7G, which would have been on offer in late 2024.



The data you provided shows, 1) CarFax captures US and CAN registration data and 2) Ford ESP uses the date of initial registration when establishing a contract.

Section 7 describes what is not covered by Ford ESP.

From ESP, section 7k: "Repairs to the Vehicle necessary due to operation outside of the
United States, Guam, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, or Canada"

From ESP, section 7x: "Vehicles manufactured for sale outside the United States, or
Canada"

The statements above imply Ford ESP covers and tracks cars inside the areas noted.

Vehicle 1, the 2023 Oxford White Mach 1. As you pointed out, the car was registered and first owner reported in June of 2024. Ford then used the date of 06/24 in the warranty.

Vehicle 2, the 2022 Race Red Mach 1. The initial registration appears to be in March of 2025, as they were prepping the car for export, transfer and sale. 03/25 is later used by Ford ESP.

This is great info Skye thank you. I actually reached out to the owner of the dealership group on Facebook that I bought the car from, and the Val Estrie dealership in Canada.

Have not heard back from Val Estrie, and I doubt I will, as I had to fill out an online form to send them an “email”. I’d call, but I don’t speak French lol.

Though the owner of the dealership group I got the car from, got back to me on Facebook messenger and said he will find out what he can, pretty cool.

 

[Mach 307]

@Skye
Found this interesting, in another thread, this user claims their Ford rep said only Ford Performance dealers could order Mach 1’s in Canada. My cars original delivery dealer Dixie Ford in Ontario is a Ford Performance dealership. Could further make sense why Val Estrie in Quebec acquired it as a display halo car, as this would make Mach 1’s even more rare in Canada, than the US.

 

[Mach 307]

Val Estrie got back to me:

“Hi Alexander, it's Guillaume from Val Estrie Ford about your questions on your Mustang Mach 1 2022. With the Vin you gave me. i see that the car has been sold to another dealership from Quebec, Canada (St-Onge Ford) before it's first ownership. I do not have more information but you could ask them if they have more informations about . it looks like a dealer trade from us when it was new.”

I sent St-Onge an inquiry and am still waiting to hear back from Mr. Jones

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