Getting a GT350 at MSRP

[Hack]

You only mentioned that crooks steal things. My mention of crime is basically to show the parallel to how the salesman approaches this. If it is in fact taking advantage of a buyer and using the anxiousness to have that vehicle as the catalyst for a coercive selling approach that involves justifying that ADM through the perceived rarity of the vehicle... then the salesman for that dealership is a crook taking advantage of that situation..

There is no such parallel. You are trying to be a crook by trying to get the car without paying a fair price for it. I have already explained to you why coercive is the wrong word. :frusty:

Dealers have factory incentives that they can either be transparent about or decide not to and still sell at MSRP or above. When they choose not to be transparent about it it sort of slaps those liberties you speak of in the face.

No you are completely wrong here. Freedom is the dealer not having any requirements around giving you ANY information about their costs or profits. You want freedom but you want to take their freedom away.

You mentioned we have choices. Freedom to choose is limited by the choices we are left with in any given situation. So if that dealer is the only player in my area and is trying to ADM because of it... They just played their card that I will either buy from them or no one since it is now an inconvenience and an expense in time and money for me to travel elsewhere to actually find what I want for my money at a fair price. .

Yep it's inconvenient. You are correct. You still have the same freedom to go somewhere else. It depends on how important the vehicle is to you. If it's not worth driving a few hours then it really didn't matter much to you.

The only loser in this scenario is the buyer. Think of it this way...its like walking into a Casino. The house always wins. But when you know how to count cards or know their system well enough to even the playing field...they suddenly want you to leave their establishment.

Of COURSE THE DEALER ALWAYS WINS. OTHERWISE THEY ARE OUT OF BUSINESS!! :doh: It's funny because the winner you are alluding to in your story is actually a criminal who is cheating and stealing from the casino. Think about how your philosophy would affect your place of work if applied there. Hint: you'd be out of a job.

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[Cruzinaround]

There is no such parallel. You are trying to be a crook by trying to get the car without paying a fair price for it. I have already explained to you why coercive is the wrong word. :frusty:

MSRP is the fair price. The word you're eluding to is conned. Which is a very passive form of coercion. In the end the buyer is convinced that buying the car is in their favor. When in truth it is not. That buyer also has to be very impressionable to begin with. And if the seller takes advantage of this then that seller simply preying upon that buyer's lack of knowledge and their desire to have what they feel they can afford.

No you are completely wrong here. Freedom is the dealer not having any requirements around giving you ANY information about their costs or profits. You want freedom but you want to take their freedom away.

That transparency is supposed to be made readily available to any consumer when simply asked. That's part of living in a free world. If you deny that information you take away one of the liberties we have as a citizen of this country. If the Seller is going to run a credit check on you to qualify you...its your right to qualify all the information about that seller. It is after all a TWO way transaction. You might want to get your facts straight here.

Yep it's inconvenient. You are correct. You still have the same freedom to go somewhere else. It depends on how important the vehicle is to you. If it's not worth driving a few hours then it really didn't matter much to you.

Again...if this were a direct buy model then where the dealer is located is not applicable because the car is simply delivered to you at a fair price as advertised by the Manufacturer. When a dealer uses that inconvenience as their leverage to ADM. Then its worth while disparaging that business to their detriment. As a citizen with those freedoms I have every right to do so.

Of COURSE THE DEALER ALWAYS WINS. OTHERWISE THEY ARE OUT OF BUSINESS!! :doh: It's funny because the winner you are alluding to in your story is actually a criminal who is cheating and stealing from the casino. Think about how your philosophy would affect your place of work if applied there. Hint: you'd be out of a job.

Counting cards is not a crime its a talent that the casino never expects you to do. Making it a crime is difficult to enforce because again it is an acquired knowledge based on experience with playing that game. So only in the eyes of the Casino is it really a crime. And what do they do? They promptly escort you out of their Casino.

If my Job was exposing Casinos for what they really are... I would have a very stable job.

An honest run business becomes the boon to the communities they are a part of. They provide jobs that are sustainable through the growing customer loyalty and the brand loyalty they are built from.

I only gather that you don't understand how important that really is and when given an opportunity to screw over the consumer for your personal gain you would immediately jump at it. Instead of providing an outstanding level of customer service at a value that promotes the customer and brand loyalty that would sustain your business even in poorer economic times.Your way... my friend is a recipe for disaster and GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.

Your arguments are lost before they've even begun if that's how you believe a business should treat its clientele.

 

[blitzburgh]

None of you are getting a GT 350 at MSRP for the first year at least. PERIOD. True

 

[Cruzinaround]

You are making ASSumptions based off of what, your personal experience??? Clearly there will be some of us who do get MSRP or better within the first year. Some of us may have a long standing relationship of doing business with our local business owners and will be making the purchase because that business owner actually respects what customer loyalty brings them over greed.

 

[w3rkn]

Grimace, sorry to hear that. They obviously don't respect & value you as much as you thought. But id look for a new dealer. I am sure at some point that dealer will want you back. If not no loss, because in their minds they don't serve you.

 

[SVTFreak]

None of you are getting a GT 350 at MSRP for the first year at least. PERIOD. True

So so completely false. What the post after yours says is true. I've already turned down the opportunity to get one at msrp from same dealership that sold me their only LE at msrp. And if I could afford a GT if they get one, guess how much I would pay for it? Yep. Msrp. And if what I want isn't a specialty car, I get invoice. It's the reward of a long standing customer who brings them business I guess.

Not all dealers turn their backs on long time customers. Could anyone get them at msrp? Dunno. Not people from out of state for sure. But I know where I stand with them.

If you walk in and there is an adm and you don't wanna pay it, leave. Or make an offer. And keep hunting. Sadly, if you are set you won't pay an adm, there is a good chance you won't get one the first year. Gladly, the gt350 won't be like the LE. There will be more next year and the year after. A good parallel is the boss. There is roughly 4,000 of them in 2 years.

 

[w3rkn]

If you don't want to do business with me, then you're not doing it with people in my phonebook either...

MSRP is fair for everyone. I like to tip.

 

[bullittman]

So so completely false. What the post after yours says is true. I've already turned down the opportunity to get one at msrp from same dealership that sold me their only LE at msrp. And if I could afford a GT if they get one, guess how much I would pay for it? Yep. Msrp. And if what I want isn't a specialty car, I get invoice. It's the reward of a long standing customer who brings them business I guess.

Not all dealers turn their backs on long time customers. Could anyone get them at msrp? Dunno. Not people from out of state for sure. But I know where I stand with them.

If you walk in and there is an adm and you don't wanna pay it, leave. Or make an offer. And keep hunting. Sadly, if you are set you won't pay an adm, there is a good chance you won't get one the first year. Gladly, the gt350 won't be like the LE. There will be more next year and the year after. A good parallel is the boss. There is roughly 4,000 of them in 2 years.

:cheers: Agreed

 

[ohtobbad]

None of you are getting a GT 350 at MSRP for the first year at least. PERIOD. True

Thats a bold statement which is also BS, I think many will, some won't
natural of the business.
My dealer told me he will sell me one at MSRP and not only that,
I get the first one, they will likely get 2-6 their first shipment,
based on their GT 500 history. I am first on list also. 16 waiting so far.

I also buy at least one truck a year, plus send him 10-15 new sales a year.

But we will see for sure when it comes out.

 

[908ssp]

Fair is what the market will bare. Anything else is communistic bs.

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

Not to beat this subject any further into the ground, but I agree with a lot of the posts on here and hope some dealerships are reading this and getting this...its simple arithmetic even my 5 year old daughter can understand.
1) is has been said by FORD this GT350 (not the "R") will NOT be a limited number. So its like the Z28 if you can afford it, you can order it. ( The dealers that thought these cars would fly of the shelves (so to speak) and ordered them for inventor, are now giving nice discounts to move them. Lets face it when someone asks you for 55K to 68K (R) most of the people on here will have the "deer in the head lights look" Yes?...yes..whether you have the money or not its is going to be hard to part with it....
2) If the dealership is the one that has the "Market adjustment" attitude, then chew on this...would you rather sell 5 GT350 with a $5,000 market up above MSRP (lets also say that they make an additional $2500 ...Im sure its more but follow me) so that's what? $37,500 ...now lets say he charged MSRP and as a result, sells 35 cars (over one year) and assuming he only makes the $2500 he would make $87,500 and make a whole lot of people happy and perhaps get some new customers out of the deal...and I think this is what everyone here is saying..treat the customer right and sell more cars..don't just try to make a lot on a few that is short term greed..I'm long term greedy make a little over a larger number...treat people right and get referrals, this is the way to success. And to the guy who said none of us were getting one this year, Im a betting man are you? Because I will tell you this Im getting one of the first to come out, and I DO not have a relationship with a Ford dealer ( in other words I have not bought a Ford product in 18 years) Want take the bet?

 

[908ssp]

That is all stuff the dealer needs to consider "fairness" isn't one of them.

 

[FPCV8YO]

On one hand, I wish that dealers wouldn't add ADM. On the other hand I don't know that I can blame them for trying. Now, the guy who actually pays the ADM, him I can most definitely blame.

 

[BlackDragon]

There are over 3000 Ford dealerships in the US alone. If one won't do it, move on to the next.

If you want dealerships to compete for you, and you don't mind shopping, use a site like truecar.com. Put in what you want, and they chase you.

 

[blitzburgh]

Not to beat this subject any further into the ground, but I agree with a lot of the posts on here and hope some dealerships are reading this and getting this...its simple arithmetic even my 5 year old daughter can understand.
1) is has been said by FORD this GT350 (not the "R") will NOT be a limited number. So its like the Z28 if you can afford it, you can order it. ( The dealers that thought these cars would fly of the shelves (so to speak) and ordered them for inventor, are now giving nice discounts to move them. Lets face it when someone asks you for 55K to 68K (R) most of the people on here will have the "deer in the head lights look" Yes?...yes..whether you have the money or not its is going to be hard to part with it....
2) If the dealership is the one that has the "Market adjustment" attitude, then chew on this...would you rather sell 5 GT350 with a $5,000 market up above MSRP (lets also say that they make an additional $2500 ...Im sure its more but follow me) so that's what? $37,500 ...now lets say he charged MSRP and as a result, sells 35 cars (over one year) and assuming he only makes the $2500 he would make $87,500 and make a whole lot of people happy and perhaps get some new customers out of the deal...and I think this is what everyone here is saying..treat the customer right and sell more cars..don't just try to make a lot on a few that is short term greed..I'm long term greedy make a little over a larger number...treat people right and get referrals, this is the way to success. And to the guy who said none of us were getting one this year, Im a betting man are you? Because I will tell you this Im getting one of the first to come out, and I DO not have a relationship with a Ford dealer ( in other words I have not bought a Ford product in 18 years) Want take the bet?

Yes, I do

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