GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

Are you sure he wasn’t talking about government vehicles at the time? I’ve searched the webs high and low and can’t find him ever saying that they planned to outlaw fossil fuels. I can’t even find a link to an article that makes the connection.

Hello; Amazing you do not seem to recall.

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[sk47]

Criminal cases for killing eagles decline as wind turbine dangers grow (msn.com)

Hello; New information to me.

 

[sk47]

Are you sure he wasn’t talking about government vehicles at the time? I’ve searched the webs high and low and can’t find him ever saying that they planned to outlaw fossil fuels. I can’t even find a link to an article that makes the connection.

Hello; try a search using war on fossil fuels

 

[Burkey]

Hello; try a search using war on fossil fuels

The only thing I can find is him saying at a gathering that “we will end fossil fuels”. That’s hardly a policy announcement. The context of the comment was specifically referring to subsidies, not the availability of fossil fuels.

Is there more to it than that?

The Washington Post recently said:

“But in the past year, the Biden administration has resumed oil leasing under terms of the major climate-and-energy-spending law Biden signed last year. The president has backed up his previous support for more new laws to speed up infrastructure permitting, including for natural-gas pipelines. And, to avoid instability emanating from Russia’s attack on Ukraine, the Biden administration promised to help grow U.S. natural gas exports and spearheaded efforts to get more gas to European allies.”

and

“The president’s more cautious approach toward phasing out fossil fuels culminated last month at his State of the Union address.
“We’re going to need oil for at least another decade … and beyond that,” Biden said, recalling what he has told industry leaders. “We’re going to need it.”

If that’s how we go about ending fossil fuels, it seems like a weird method.

 

[Mitch03]

That is NOT what was said. But, because you’re obviously an idiot, you probably didn’t understand what we were actually saying.
I’ll waste my time spelling it out for you so that you can misunderstand it once again.

We said that natural immunity required an infection to occur. We said that this was potentially risky for some people (refer to the millions of deaths as evidence). We also said that the acquired immunity appeared to depend on the severity of the infection. Meaning, that a low level infection generally inferred lower levels of immunity, whereas a vaccine is delivered in a very deliberate dosage that is controlled, unlike the immunity acquired from an uncontrolled infection “dosage”.
Are you still with me or is too complex already?


Not sure what you mean here. The vaccine offered some protection against infection (SARS-Cov—2) in the vaccinated person, a reduced likelihood of spreading the virus to others and a high level of protection against the disease it causes (Covid-19).
Do you remember when people were being hospitalised with the disease? Do you recall that it was largely a disease of the unvaccinated? I do. Perhaps you can better explain why less than 10% of the people hospitalised with covid were vaccinated at a time when more than half the population was vaccinated? Seems quite effective to me.

facts don’t care at all. Unfortunately your tiny brain can’t

Same ole BS from you. It’s easy to go back on what you said…..especially when you were proven Wrong. You and a lot of other dumbass‘s took the vaccine hook line and sinker as the do all drug. And then it didn’t work like ”science“ planned it to be. I don’t care about your feelings, facts don’t either! Talk about a Tiny brain man!

 

[Mitch03]

Hello; Amazing you do not seem to recall.

I think he has an issue with long term memory…..and short term for that matter. He’s always back tracking to change his views.

 

[sk47]

The only thing I can find is him saying at a gathering that “we will end fossil fuels”. That’s hardly a policy announcement. The context of the comment was specifically referring to subsidies, not the availability of fossil fuels.

Is there more to it than that?

The Washington Post recently said:

“But in the past year, the Biden administration has resumed oil leasing under terms of the major climate-and-energy-spending law Biden signed last year. The president has backed up his previous support for more new laws to speed up infrastructure permitting, including for natural-gas pipelines. And, to avoid instability emanating from Russia’s attack on Ukraine, the Biden administration promised to help grow U.S. natural gas exports and spearheaded efforts to get more gas to European allies.”

and

“The president’s more cautious approach toward phasing out fossil fuels culminated last month at his State of the Union address.
“We’re going to need oil for at least another decade … and beyond that,” Biden said, recalling what he has told industry leaders. “We’re going to need it.”

If that’s how we go about ending fossil fuels, it seems like a weird method.

Hello; Not that hard to understand. There are factions who want to do away with fossil fuels. Those in positions of influence/power have taken steps to do so.
Turns out for them real issues kick in at times. The folks in Europe cannot get by on future promises and current "green" energy sources. They need natural gas right now and likely next winter. Maybe for many years.
I knew from the start of the war on fossil fuels it can not be done in the "quick" time frame desired. Society runs on energy. Our very lives depend on energy intensive activities. The alternative new energy sources are not up to the scale needed. My hope is they do not kill the Goose before replacement energy sources are in place.

EDIT - by the way I will not report you for political content nor grouse at you for it the way you did to me not long ago.

 

[martinjlm]

Hello; A good and fair question. I wonder about that one myself. So far I do not know of any bans on fossil fuel airplanes looming in the near future. Now that you ask, I do wonder if the coming fossil fuel vehicle bans could be stretched to include aircraft?

The question, to me, is less about the elites than it is about airplanes in general. Gotta figure elites will find a way to take care of themselves as they always have.

Circles back to a question i have posed several times before. Crude oil is refined into thousands of products. Many beyond products used as fuels. So many that have become necessary/integral for our day to day lives. I have a suspicion the cracking and refining of crude oil might be modified so less becomes liquid and gaseous fuel products. I know natural gas can be made into a motor oil as an example. But i wonder if all fuel type derivatives can be eliminated.
We need tars to pave the roads and lots of it. Will gasoline again become a throw away waste product as it was early on in history?

I think you are right that the refinement processes will be adjusted to redirect the portions of the barrel that currently go to gasoline to yield other petroleum products. Also at that point the number of barrels required per day should be reduced.

 

[K4fxd]

I think you are right that the refinement processes will be adjusted to redirected the portions of the barrel that currently go to gasoline to yield other petroleum products.

Except it doesn't work that way.

Toyota will probably be the only car company left standing in 2040.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

 

[Burkey]

facts don’t care at all. Unfortunately your tiny brain can’t

Same ole BS from you. It’s easy to go back on what you said…..especially when you were proven Wrong. You and a lot of other dumbass‘s took the vaccine hook line and sinker as the do all drug. And then it didn’t work like ”science“ planned it to be. I don’t care about your feelings, facts don’t either! Talk about a Tiny brain man!

Translation: “I didn’t understand what you guys were actually saying but because I’d been told what to think already, I didn’t bother thinking about it too much”

 

[martinjlm]

I think you are right that the refinement processes will be adjusted to redirect the portions of the barrel that currently go to gasoline to yield other petroleum products. Also at that point the number of barrels required per day should be reduced.

Except it doesn't work that way.

Toyota will probably be the only car company left standing in 2040.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

What way does it work? You don’t think that oil refineries can or will change their mix?

 

[K4fxd]

@Burkey

I do remember Greg for sure, maybe you too, gleefully applauding my Sister being fired. She is a MD, had caught Covid, recovered and then refused to get the experimental vaccine. Her rational was she had the covid, recovered and had immunity at least as good as the jab.

She was called an idiot a quack and other snide names on this forum. One even said she was killing her patients.

She is right, gregs24 and his fanbois are wrong. A local hospital system lost a very good Dr. Another BETTER hospital system picked her up and she is actually making more money.

 

[K4fxd]

What way does it work? You don’t think that oil refineries can or will change their mix?

Oil refining is a distillation process at it's core. Maybe "someday" they will find ways to change gas into another useful product.

 

[sk47]

Except it doesn't work that way.

Toyota will probably be the only car company left standing in 2040.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

Hello; Interesting read. the 1:6:90 rule really caught my attention. I do hope @martinjim will comment on this.

Hello; About petroleum chemistry. Wish i knew enough to make a sound comment as to what is possible with crude oil in terms of how the products derived from it can be altered to give different results. One of the useful things about the hydrogen to carbon bonds has been they are able to be modified. They can make very long chains or very short chains down to just CH4. The chains are not restricted to only carbon and hydrogen. A number of other atoms can be added to the chains.
So, I hesitate to make an absolute statement as to what is possible in manipulating petro chemicals. I do not know for sure. Something worth finding out. My unsubstantiated guess is if refining crude into things other than volatiles can be done it will not be simple. Lots of energy locked up in the bonds of crude oil.

 

[martinjlm]

Hello; Interesting read. the 1:6:90 rule really caught my attention. I do hope @martinjim will comment on this.

Hello; About petroleum chemistry. Wish i knew enough to make a sound comment as to what is possible with crude oil in terms of how the products derived from it can be altered to give different results. One of the useful things about the hydrogen to carbon bonds has been they are able to be modified. They can make very long chains or very short chains down to just CH4. The chains are not restricted to only carbon and hydrogen. A number of other atoms can be added to the chains.
So, I hesitate to make an absolute statement as to what is possible in manipulating petro chemicals. I do not know for sure. Something worth finding out. My unsubstantiated guess is if refining crude into things other than volatiles can be done it will not be simple. Lots of energy locked up in the bonds of crude oil.

I toured the local Marathon Oil refinery in southwest Detroit in the early 2000s. We were working on expanding GM’s diesel offerings. This was when Europe was going hog wild for diesel and American OEMs were trying to get on the band wagon. They described for us their refinery process and stated that every refinery has their own “formula” dictated by which products they wanted to have the most yield. This facility was biased towards gasoline. You are correct in that it is pretty much a distilling process. At least that’s how they described it to us, but how much gets distilled at the different weights is adjustable. It’s not easy to adjust it, but it can be adjusted.

They indicated that they could switch the process to bias more towards diesel, but that those types of shifts in “formula” were time consuming and costly and that switching back would be just as time consuming and costly, so you want to be sure when you switch.

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