GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/heat-pumps-too-expensive-meet-155602806.html

It is also usually more expensive to run a heat pump compared with a gas boiler because electricity is relatively costly. The Government has said it wants to correct the imbalance, partly by making gas more expensive.

So instead of trying to make electricity cheaper they will make gas more expensive.

And again there is no emergency.


I really want to insert a Wizard of ID cartoon

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[AZlb5.0]

Replace “Ev” with “modern cars” (which have generally become heavier over time).
The author made sure to mention that a Tesla 3 was grossly heavier than an old Cortina (wow, who knew?) but failed to mention that the Tesla 3 is lighter than a Mustang. This is how you know when an author is seeking to prove their conclusion, rather than engaging in a proper analysis. Junk journalism is junk. Zero balance.

I remember when the Holden Commodore (family sedan, 1978) first hit the market, weighing something like 1200kgs.
Fast forward to the last iteration and that weight ballooned out to 1800kgs. Yes, 50% more.

Maybe the takeaway is that old car parks weren’t designed with an adequate safety factor for the average modern vehicle?

First line from the article:

“Multi-storey car parks across the country could be at risk of collapse as heavier electric vehicles put pressure on ageing infrastructure, experts have warned.”

All you need to do is replace the word electric with modern. Poor journalism is easily fixed.

“For example, the current Tesla Model 3 weighs 1,672kgs, compared to the 768kg Ford Cortina Mark 1. The Audi E-tron weighs 2,351kg, compared to the 770kg Vauxhall Viva, while even the Nissan Leaf weighs 1,580kg.”

Just toss in the fact that a Dodge Ram weighs more than 2,600kgs and you’d have a decent story. What? A Dodge Ram weighs about as much as 4 Cortinas? Wow.
Someone should look at what that might do to the carparks……

Tell the mustangs and Rams to park on the street, this building can only support Tesla 3’s

ICE vehicles weigh between 2500-4200 lbs. EV weight between 4300-4900. EV vehicles start at a 100lbs and go a full 700lbs more.

 

[sk47]

Replace “Ev” with “modern cars” (which have generally become heavier over time).
The author made sure to mention that a Tesla 3 was grossly heavier than an old Cortina (wow, who knew?) but failed to mention that the Tesla 3 is lighter than a Mustang. This is how you know when an author is seeking to prove their conclusion, rather than engaging in a proper analysis. Junk journalism is junk. Zero balance.

I remember when the Holden Commodore (family sedan, 1978) first hit the market, weighing something like 1200kgs.
Fast forward to the last iteration and that weight ballooned out to 1800kgs. Yes, 50% more.

Maybe the takeaway is that old car parks weren’t designed with an adequate safety factor for the average modern vehicle?

First line from the article:

“Multi-storey car parks across the country could be at risk of collapse as heavier electric vehicles put pressure on ageing infrastructure, experts have warned.”

All you need to do is replace the word electric with modern. Poor journalism is easily fixed.

“For example, the current Tesla Model 3 weighs 1,672kgs, compared to the 768kg Ford Cortina Mark 1. The Audi E-tron weighs 2,351kg, compared to the 770kg Vauxhall Viva, while even the Nissan Leaf weighs 1,580kg.”

Just toss in the fact that a Dodge Ram weighs more than 2,600kgs and you’d have a decent story. What? A Dodge Ram weighs about as much as 4 Cortinas? Wow.
Someone should look at what that might do to the carparks……

Tell the mustangs and Rams to park on the street, this building can only support Tesla 3’s

Hello; You put some effort into this one to be sure but not one of your better rationalizations. The point by the articles author may be exaggerated but is not without merit. All BEV's will be heavier than the ICE's they replace due to the batteries, even modern ICE's.
Sure a current ICE pickup can be heavier than a Tesla, but an EV pickup will be even heavier. That is the point. The average mix of BEV's will be considerably heavier than the average mix of ICE's they will replace by a considerable margin.

Parking garages ought to have some margin engineered into them as a safety factor to be sure. Maybe like 20%. I am on a tropical fish forum and have kept aquariums since 1959. On the forum maybe 50 or more times a year someone asks if it is OK to put a big tank in an apartment or on a second floor or some such. The best answer is it depends. Water is close to eight pounds per gallon. The glass of a tank gets thicker and heavier as the tank gets bigger. The stands get heavier when built to hold ever heavier tanks. The gravel, rocks and other decor adds weight. Then there is the weight of the ordinary things in houses such as furniture and people the floors were built to hold to begin with.
Some folks go for it and seem to get away with the bigger tanks. Others have posted pictures of damage from too much static weight.

 

[Burkey]

ICE vehicles weigh between 2500-4200 lbs. EV weight between 4300-4900. EV vehicles start at a 100lbs and go a full 700lbs more.

I’m not disagreeing with the conclusion that an EV might be heavier in some instances. Maybe/probably even most instances.

The point I was making is that the author totally ignored that the simple act of owning a larger vehicle, typically makes the car heavier.

At no point did he mention that a fleet of Dodge Rams would have a greater impact than a fleet of Tesla 3’s (For example). Bias. Obvious bias.

It‘s kinda hard to sit back in your large ICE SUV and blame a Tesla 3 for the collapse of a parking structure, in the same way that it’s hard to blame the Cortina driver when you drive a Tesla.

Weight is the defining characteristic. Not the motive power.

In other news, diesels tend to be heavier than gasoline powered vehicles. Do we start freaking out that diesels are going to collapse carparks?

If the author had simply approached the story from the angle that “heavier vehicles are placing stress on structures” and then gone on to elaborate that EV’s ALONG WITH other HEAVY vehicles, causing the issue, I’d have no issue with they way it was being reported.

The way he’s written this, is more like “let’s find yet another way that EV’s are causing dramas and write a story about it”. Poor journalism.

A while back, the same guy that posted the link was worried about bias in journalism. Then goes on to cite a perfect example of it. You couldn’t make this shit up.

 

[sk47]

If Co2 were truly a problem and we were in an actual crisis civilian commercial air travel would be banned. You can spin the per passenger thing all you want. Fact is if the ban was in place most of the passengers would not make the trip using other forms of transportation. This would result in a significant reduction in Co2 added to the atmosphere.

If we were really in a climate emergency, we would not tolerate China or India or any country building new coal power plants. The per person argument holds no water IF we are in an actual crisis.

Hello; The crisis part is part of the scare tactic used to sell the agendas to the general public. Similar in a way to how fear was used during the Covid lockdowns and mandates. You hit close to home in that the "green" and BEV agendas are part of a big lifestyle change.
We got a clue recently when we discovered one of the potential solutions for the lack of electric power when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. The looming energy reserve storage problem will be all the battery packs in the personal BEV's we will be forced to buy.
Made me think of one of the original parts of the Affordable Healthcare plan. To make it work financially the plan was to force young -healthy folks to have to buy a health care policy they might otherwise skip because they were young and healthy. That part was taken out eventually to be sure, but it was part of the plan to start with.

My take for some time now has been for the "green" ideas to have a chance to work will require a big change in our lifestyles. Becomes a question of whose OX gets gored so to speak. I think we have a clue already. That Paris climate accord thing for instance. Bet all those who flew to the meeting in private jets will not be changing a lifestyle right away.
Stopping all but essential air travel will not affect me directly as I have not been on a plane since the 1970's. Indirectly could be some effect as sports might not be international any more. No more ball teams flying cross country. No more F1 races all over the world every two weeks.

Shipping could go back to the sail days and we could wait months or years for parts. Side note- lets see if my history knowledge is up to snuff. I think the first practical use of telescopes was used by commercial traders. The onshore brokers would spot one of their ships at new anchor. The captain would raise coded flags describing the cargo. The ship owner merchants onshore could see the flags with the new invention while others could not with naked eyes.
So, if some particular commodity was fetching a high price because of scarcity, they could "corner" the market and lock in the higher price before others found out there was soon to be a glut of that commodity.

But yes. A sign the problem is serious would be to cut back on general air travel. Not how they think just yet. Likely those making the plans like having convenient air travel so it is not on the table yet. I did catch on to the irony in the heat pump post. Natural gas is evil so must go. Heatpumps fit the idealized agenda so must happen. Heatpumps cost more than gas so make gas more expensive.
Such is the pattern when it comes to ICE is it not. BEV's cost too much to get market share so make ICE more expensive to run and tax the ICE holdouts to give incentives for the EV's.

 

[Burkey]

The point by the articles author may be exaggerated but is not without merit.

I didn’t say that it was without merit. Of course it has merit.
The problem is with the WAY the information is being presented.
I’m not defending EV’s here. I’m defending proper journalism from hacks.
There’s a difference.

 

[sk47]

I didn’t say that it was without merit. Of course it has merit.
The problem is with the WAY the information is being presented.
I’m not defending EV’s here. I’m defending proper journalism from hacks.
There’s a difference.

Hello; OK fair enough. You are a proper journalism champion.

 

[K4fxd]

A while back, the same guy that posted the link was worried about bias in journalism. Then goes on to cite a perfect example of it. You couldn’t make this shit up.

I put the link up and my comment was , "I never thought of this" Pretty generic don't you think?

I do agree, it is biased.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Muh home runs and global warming.

https://news.yahoo.com/mlb-home-run-counts-rising-121316402.html

 

[sk47]

Muh home runs and global warming.

https://news.yahoo.com/mlb-home-run-counts-rising-121316402.html

Hello; The article is a hoot itself. Then read the comments. The civil war one is good.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Hello; The article is a hoot itself. Then read the comments. The civil war one is good.

Another comment regarding the article.

“Wish global warming would come to kansas city, the royals can barely get a ball out of the infield.”

 

[K4fxd]

I read the first page of comments, not what I expected. There may be hope for us yet.

 

[AZlb5.0]

I’m not disagreeing with the conclusion that an EV might be heavier in some instances. Maybe/probably even most instances.

The point I was making is that the author totally ignored that the simple act of owning a larger vehicle, typically makes the car heavier.

At no point did he mention that a fleet of Dodge Rams would have a greater impact than a fleet of Tesla 3’s (For example). Bias. Obvious bias.

It‘s kinda hard to sit back in your large ICE SUV and blame a Tesla 3 for the collapse of a parking structure, in the same way that it’s hard to blame the Cortina driver when you drive a Tesla.

Weight is the defining characteristic. Not the motive power.

In other news, diesels tend to be heavier than gasoline powered vehicles. Do we start freaking out that diesels are going to collapse carparks?

If the author had simply approached the story from the angle that “heavier vehicles are placing stress on structures” and then gone on to elaborate that EV’s ALONG WITH other HEAVY vehicles, causing the issue, I’d have no issue with they way it was being reported.

The way he’s written this, is more like “let’s find yet another way that EV’s are causing dramas and write a story about it”. Poor journalism.

A while back, the same guy that posted the link was worried about bias in journalism. Then goes on to cite a perfect example of it. You couldn’t make this shit up.

We have to be fair that majority of sales in the US are for SUVs and Full size trucks. These can go as heavy as 6K for the SUV and 7K for the truck. Now will they be heavier in EV form? I’m sure they will be. I think we can agree on that also.

 

[Burkey]

I put the link up and my comment was , "I never thought of this" Pretty generic don't you think?

I do agree, it is biased.

Finally, we agree!

 

[Burkey]

We have to be fair that majority of sales in the US are for SUVs and Full size trucks. These can go as heavy as 6K for the SUV and 7K for the truck. Now will they be heavier in EV form? I’m sure they will be. I think we can agree on that also.

I agree that “like for like” an EV will typically be heavier than an ICE.
That was never disputed.

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