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Just tossing this in for giggles and grins…got a meeting in a few minutes to talk to a company about electric garbage trucks. Yes, that’s a thing. Already a few of them on the road and competition is heating up.
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Pre-ignition what we where talking about in road going cars. Pretty cool tech.

 

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They did a study saying that 80million cars could be plugged in and charged at night. I wonder how true that is. Our current electrical grid I would rate at a D+ at best.
California cannot keep up with demand on hot summer days. More States are having rolling black out problems along with utility control of AC and water heaters. We are at max capacity in lots of areas. How we can add more demand without increasing supply is beyond me.
 

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California cannot keep up with demand on hot summer days. More States are having rolling black out problems along with utility control of AC and water heaters. We are at max capacity in lots of areas. How we can add more demand without increasing supply is beyond me.
Like we have talked about in the past. The key for a successful EV transition is going to be a strong updated electrical grid and everyone is kicking the can down the road.
 

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Just tossing this in for giggles and grins…got a meeting in a few minutes to talk to a company about electric garbage trucks. Yes, that’s a thing. Already a few of them on the road and competition is heating up.
I posted about BYD many pages back.... https://en.byd.com/

Of course there are others... picked them to make a point about companies building in America. Think they came over and setup shop in California.
 

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They did a study saying that 80million cars could be plugged in and charged at night. I wonder how true that is. Our current electrical grid I would rate at a D+ at best.
State grids perform differently off-peak than on-peak. That’s why the pricing is different for most utilities. It’s easier for the grid to be used to charge vehicles when air conditioning and office automation isn’t all running at full blast.
 

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Interesting; not counting on it, but would love to see more sedans and coupes.

https://news.yahoo.com/mixed-auto-sales-us-paint-222611309.html

“Automakers reported mixed first-quarter US car sales Monday as some sedan models saw gains in a sign that vehicle affordability may be shifting consumer behavior.”

“But even bigger increases were seen in models such as the electric Chevy Bolt and the Chevy Malibu, a sedan that begins at around $26,000.

'Passenger cars have made a comeback recently,'
said CFRA Research’s Garrett Nelson. 'It's likely a reflection of affordability.’"

"'It is a mixed bag out there and everyone is trying to figure out who is their buyer’
,Chesbrough told AFP."
 
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State grids perform differently off-peak than on-peak. That’s why the pricing is different for most utilities. It’s easier for the grid to be used to charge vehicles when air conditioning and office automation isn’t all running at full blast.
I’ve had this debate before and you seem to know more than most. My opinion as misguided and uneducated as it is. Wouldn’t plugging in majority of vehicles at night move it to “peak” hours. More people at home using either AC or Heaters, stoves washing machines and so on? Just me looking at my personal habits. I use more energy at night than day time.
 

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State grids perform differently off-peak than on-peak. That’s why the pricing is different for most utilities. It’s easier for the grid to be used to charge vehicles when air conditioning and office automation isn’t all running at full blast.
Hello; Had the first actual rolling power blackout in my area last December. While your post used to be generally true, not sure it still can be during hot spells or very cold spells when ordinary power production has been on the edge without added demand of EV's.

Also not clear why EV's would only be charged at night, but if such proved to be correct there will not be much in the way of off peak anyway.
Guess you may have an answer buta part of the future EV world is to get electricity from solar and wind. Wind may blow at night but the sun does not shine. Hope a main answer in not batteries to store excess daytime energy.
I kind of like spinning up massive flywheels or pumping water up high during times of excess "green" energy.
 

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I’ve had this debate before and you seem to know more than most. My opinion as misguided and uneducated as it is. Wouldn’t plugging in majority of vehicles at night move it to “peak” hours. More people at home using either AC or Heaters, stoves washing machines and so on? Just me looking at my personal habits. I use more energy at night than day time.
I doubt it. Couple thoughts behind that…
  1. In 2022, EV charging accounted for about 0.02% of the power generated by the combined nationwide grid. That is an indication that EVs don’t have the monstrous draw on the grid that some characterize. I read somewhere that the added electricity cost of adding an EV to your household is roughly equivalent to the added cost of adding another freezer. I’ve never looked to verify that, so take it with a grain of salt. I can say that the cost to keep our Volt charged has been less than an additional $40/month. This has been easy to track because it is on a separate meter.
  2. Different vehicles come to the charger at different states of charge. The next vehicle we buy will have a 102 kWh battery. Doesn’t mean we will always be drawing 102 kWh every time we plug it in. Most times we will by replenishing the 10-20 kWh that we used that particular day. Chargers act differently when charging at different states of charge. Just like when you charge your cell phone. The rate it adds charge changes throughout the charging process.
 
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Hello; Had the first actual rolling power blackout in my area last December. While your post used to be generally true, not sure it still can be during hot spells or very cold spells when ordinary power production has been on the edge without added demand of EV's.

Also not clear why EV's would only be charged at night, but if such proved to be correct there will not be much in the way of off peak anyway.
Guess you may have an answer buta part of the future EV world is to get electricity from solar and wind. Wind may blow at night but the sun does not shine. Hope a main answer in not batteries to store excess daytime energy.
I kind of like spinning up massive flywheels or pumping water up high during times of excess "green" energy.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the main answer is battery storage. That’s how wind power and solar power both work. The energy is captured and stored in a battery when the wind is blowing or the sun shining. Then the energy is dispensed when needed, especially when there is no wind or sunshine. What’s more, wanna know where these batteries come from? EV batteries that are no longer sufficient for automotive use are still very much useable for stationary power storage. So much for all the old car batteries piling up in landfills. Those that don’t get recycled or remanufactured will be repurposed for energy storage.
 

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I read somewhere that the added electricity cost of adding an EV to your household is roughly equivalent to the added cost of adding another freezer.
My buddy who lost his house when his Tesla went into self destruct mode cost him about 65 a month. He drove it to work and back, with occasional back road playing. About 100 miles a day.
 
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the main answer is battery storage. That’s how wind power and solar power both work. The energy is captured and stored in a battery when the wind is blowing or the sun shining. Then the energy is dispensed when needed, especially when there is no wind or sunshine. What’s more, wanna know where these batteries come from? EV batteries that are no longer sufficient for automotive use are still very much useable for stationary power storage. So much for all the old car batteries piling up in landfills. Those that don’t get recycled or remanufactured will be repurposed for energy storage.
We are thinking of doing solar. In AZ where I live, we can submit to be completely off the electrical grid, since we don’t live within city limits but it has to be approved. The house I’m going to get my wife down in Puerto Rico, for sure is going that direction, since it’s much easier down there to not be part of the electrical grid. We can also capture rain water down there with no repercussions either. I’m really thinking of just moving there for good. Leaving the property here to my mother in law and leave it at that.

Fresh food vegetables fresh fish fresh meats. Everything raised and produced there. From farm a couple of hours away directly to store shelves. From local oceans to store shelves also.
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