GM is pulling back on EVs

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[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/net-zero-trojan-horse-total-200000986.html

I like the headline. Lots of truth here.

The Government’s plan to impose a UK-wide ban on the sale of new, pure petrol cars in just six years and nine months’ time is insanely detached from reality. The country and the technology are nowhere near ready for a full roll-out. Sticking with this preposterous timetable will impoverish and inconvenience millions and trigger a seismic, anti-green popular revolt.

The future of driving is zero emissions, but we should trust capitalism to deliver it when the time is right.

Electricity consumption will surge and yet the country is already on the brink of blackouts.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ste...h-raw-materials-electric-car-batteries-2023-3

"'We know that we need lithium,' Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Stellantis (which encompasses brands like Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Ram, and more) said Wednesday during the automaker's first annual Freedom of Mobility Forum meeting, as reported by The Detroit News. 'We know that we are not producing as much as we need.'''

"'That will need a lot of lithium,' he said, according to The Detroit News. 'Not only the lithium may not be enough, but the concentration of the mining of lithium may create other geopolitical issues.'"

"Tavares, long a skeptic of a global transition to electric vehicles, first warned of EV battery and raw material shortages hampering the industry's lofty goals on EVs in May 2022. For Stellantis specifically, Tavares has said that some of the markets the company operates in just don't make sense for EV sales at the moment, citing problems like affordability and lack of infrastructure."

"'The affordability is not there, because the raw materials are scarce and very expensive, and I would add very volatile,' Tavares said.

Access to cheaper EVs could only be delayed by these industry dynamics."

"Still, Tavares has said that the company has big plans for electrification in the next few years. After the US's Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and France's PSA Group merged to create Stellantis in 2021, the new company said it planned to spend more than $35.5 billion on developing an array of plug-in models through 2025."

"Tavares' comments are just the latest from major industry stakeholders raising the alarms about, and losing faith in, the reality of transitioning to EVs."

 

[sk47]

Hello; A load of sensible comments and a sound take on the overall situation.

 

[K4fxd]

A load of sensible comments and a sound take on the overall situation

Toyota is ready for anything it seems. The rest are banking on BEV's. When the smoke clears in 2035 Toyota might be the only one left standing.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; A load of sensible comments and a sound take on the overall situation.

Now now we know how the EV advocates are going to bash these sensible talking points. In their eyes Toyota just became the antichrist.

 

[sk47]

Now now we know how the EV advocates are going to bash these sensible talking points. In their eye Toyota just became the antichrist.

Hello; Yes. Likely will be much like the way Elon musk was turned on after he bought Twitter and confirmed the censorship, we all pretty much suspected.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; Yes. Likely will be much like the way Elon musk was turned on after he bought Twitter and confirmed the censorship, we all pretty much suspected.

Well Elon is the false prophet to them

 

[sk47]

Well Elon is the false prophet to them

Hello; False to them a revelation for many of us.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; False to them a revelation for many of us.

Check this out this is gold

 

[sk47]

Check this out this is gold

Hello; 5% plastic recycle. They have had decades to come up with a plan for that. I reuse the plastic bags my groceries come in as small trash can liners. When too many pile up I can take them to McCays used books, CD's vinyl and more. They reuse them for merchandise. Eventually they wind up in the trash either way.
The thin plastic bags could make insulation stuffed in attics or walls except for the fire hazard.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; 5% plastic recycle. They have had decades to come up with a plan for that. I reuse the plastic bags my groceries come in as small trash can liners. When too many pile up I can take them to McCays used books, CD's vinyl and more. They reuse them for merchandise. Eventually they wind up in the trash either way.
The thin plastic bags could make insulation stuffed in attics or walls except for the fire hazard.

Back when Greg’s and I had civility I explained to him that recycling wasn’t really pushed. That it was just a cute thing people talked about. He wasn’t happy with that. All of this garbage about the world becoming inhabitable in the next two generations is grandstanding at best. I’d worry more about Jesus coming back and those who aren’t ready to meet him.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

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[sk47]

Back when Greg’s and I had civility I explained to him that recycling wasn’t really pushed. That it was just a cute thing people talked about. He wasn’t happy with that. All of this garbage about the world becoming inhabitable in the next two generations is grandstanding at best. I’d worry more about Jesus coming back and those who aren’t ready to meet him.

Hello; Some concepts/goals are very worthwhile. Recycling among them. I have told this story before of working on a Coca Cola delivery truck. It was a time when the first one way soda cans were just being introduced. The truck had eight or ten bins with accordion type doors. Only one bin was for the new aluminum cans. Depending on the days route we sometimes had one empty bin to hold the empty glass bottles which were hauled back to be cleaned and reused on an average of something like 24 times.
The returnable bottles have gone away replaced with one way containers of all sorts. A the guy who had to sort the coke bottles from all the rest back then it would have seemed a good deal. For the company the trucks could be loaded full and come back empty.
Guys like my grandfather whose job was to run the bottle cleaning and refilling machine were out of work as were two or three men who had been unloading the empties every night.

Now the sodas are usually in plastic. I will not go into it but i grew up with paper grocery bags also.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; Some concepts/goals are very worthwhile. Recycling among them. I have told this story before of working on a Coca Cola delivery truck. It was a time when the first one way soda cans were just being introduced. The truck had eight or ten bins with accordion type doors. Only one bin was for the new aluminum cans. Depending on the days route we sometimes had one empty bin to hold the empty glass bottles which were hauled back to be cleaned and reused on an average of something like 24 times.
The returnable bottles have gone away replaced with one way containers of all sorts. A the guy who had to sort the coke bottles from all the rest back then it would have seemed a good deal. For the company the trucks could be loaded full and come back empty.
Guys like my grandfather whose job was to run the bottle cleaning and refilling machine were out of work as were two or three men who had been unloading the empties every night.

Now the sodas are usually in plastic. I will not go into it but i grew up with paper grocery bags also.

I think glass is an excellent way to transfer liquids. It’s been shown that plastics have been the culprit in reducing testosterone levels in men. Glass bottles though are excellent still widely used in Latin American countries. I also like aluminum cans also another great material for recycling because it actually has worth. Plastic is a worthless material. Why there’s no money in recycling it. Why there’s such low % of recycling.

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