Installing supercharger yourself, whos done it?

[Adamone92]

I have seen your posts all around, you seem like you are pretty knowledgeable. If you could go back in time would you still choose the odin over Procharger? How much did it run you?

For a while I was all into getting the whipple stage 2 but honestly after reading this post I am very interested in the pro charger for cost and ease of install.

With a centri are fuel upgrades necassary ? Like is a boost a pump needed or what supporting mods do you have?

Im happy with my decision. I also got a good deal on my kit. I was between vmp odin, whipple, and procharger and am sure i would have been happy with any of them. There are definitely more knowledgeable people on here. I just talk a lot and research a lot/learn from doing my own work.

I personally would upgrade fuel for any of them. At least a BAP but if you can hack it a better fuel system or at least a better pump will be better instead of boosting your stock pump to the limits imo. Fuel and air are very important so dont skimp out on it. Im currently on a BAP with 1000cc injectors and the vmp fuel rails but will be changing to a full fuel system asap

I did opg and cs install myself. I debated not doing it but since the car was going to have most of that stuff taken off anyways..i opted to do it. If nothing else, it gave me peace of mind.

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[msalvoni]

Im happy with my decision. I also got a good deal on my kit. I was between vmp odin, whipple, and procharger and am sure i would have been happy with any of them. There are definitely more knowledgeable people on here. I just talk a lot and research a lot/learn from doing my own work.

I personally would upgrade fuel for any of them. At least a BAP but if you can hack it a better fuel system or at least a better pump will be better instead of boosting your stock pump to the limits imo. Fuel and air are very important so dont skimp out on it. Im currently on a BAP with 1000cc injectors and the vmp fuel rails but will be changing to a full fuel system asap

I did opg and cs install myself. I debated not doing it but since the car was going to have most of that stuff taken off anyways..i opted to do it. If nothing else, it gave me peace of mind.

Thank you!

 

[Slopoke]

I have seen your posts all around, you seem like you are pretty knowledgeable. If you could go back in time would you still choose the odin over Procharger? How much did it run you?

For a while I was all into getting the whipple stage 2 but honestly after reading this post I am very interested in the pro charger for cost and ease of install.

With a centri are fuel upgrades necassary ? Like is a boost a pump needed or what supporting mods do you have?

Before you make your decision and spend some big bucks. You need to research the difference in power delivery between a PD and Centri blower system. It would be a shame for you to get a kit and have you disappointed with how it feels. I went with a Whipple for the way it delivers torque. Yes the Centri kits are cheaper and easier to install, but what good is it, if you are disappointed with how it performs.

 

[msalvoni]

Before you make your decision and spend some big bucks. You need to research the difference in power delivery between a PD and Centri blower system. It would be a shame for you to get a kit and have you disappointed with how it feels. I went with a Whipple for the way it delivers torque. Yes the Centri kits are cheaper and easier to install, but what good is it, if you are disappointed with how it performs.

thank you for the input. I have a very open mind at this point and I feel that more torque down low is most important, I dont want to have to be up in high rps for power as I always feel a little bad for the car lol. I like ripping it between 3-6k. I am assuming you a re going to tell me the Whipple would be a better choice for higher torque at lower rpms ?

Obviously there are times when I will rev it out but for the majority of time I will between 3k-6k so yea power down low is most important to me.

 

[Slopoke]

thank you for the input. I have a very open mind at this point and I feel that more torque down low is most important, I dont want to have to be up in high rps for power as I always feel bad for the car lol. I like ripping it between 3-5.5k. I am assuming you a re going to tell me the Whipple would be a better choice for higher torque at lower rpms ?

If you want torque in the lower rpm range, a system like a VMP, Whipple, Edelbrock, Roush, in my opinion be better for you.

I came from the Ecoboost platform and did experience a disappointment in turbo selection. I did two aftermarket turbos, the first had down low torque and decent top HP. The second turbo made more HP than the first aftermarket one I installed, but the torque came in about 1200 RPMs later and it's potential was about 100 WHP more that the first. My Fiesta ST had a manual transmission, torque really matters. With the first turbo, in low RPMs, all I had to do was floor the pedal and I was moving. The second turbo, in the same scenario, I would have to downshift one gear to get the equivalent rate of acceleration.

So when it came to deciding on which type I was going to get, reflecting on my turbo disappointment, I went with a PD over the Centri.

The dyno graphs are from my two different turbos. The top was the first turbo I installed. The bottom is the second one. Look at where the peak torque is on both.

 

[msalvoni]

If you want torque in the lower rpm range, a system like a VMP, Whipple, Edelbrock, Roush, in my opinion be better for you.

I came from the Ecoboost platform and did experience a disappointment in turbo selection. I did two aftermarket turbos, the first had down low torque and decent top HP. The second turbo made more HP than the first aftermarket one I installed, but the torque came in about 1200 RPMs later and it's potential was about 100 WHP more that the first. My Fiesta ST had a manual transmission, torque really matters. With the first turbo, in low RPMs, all I had to do was floor the pedal and I was moving. The second turbo, in the same scenario, I would have to downshift one gear to get the equivalent rate of acceleration.

So when it came to deciding on which type I was going to get, reflecting on my turbo disappointment, I went with a PD over the Centri.

The dyno graphs are from my two different turbos. The top was the first turbo I installed. The bottom is the second one. Look at where the peak torque is on both.

Thats very interesting, I appreciate it.

first graph looks like you gained a ton of low end torque but lost high end hp
second graph seems the same way.

am I being foolish for wanting low end power with 3.73 gears?

 

[RCK605]

thank you for the input. I have a very open mind at this point and I feel that more torque down low is most important, I dont want to have to be up in high rps for power as I always feel a little bad for the car lol. I like ripping it between 3-6k. I am assuming you a re going to tell me the Whipple would be a better choice for higher torque at lower rpms ?

Obviously there are times when I will rev it out but for the majority of time I will between 3k-6k so yea power down low is most important to me.

My driving habits are similar. I don't like to rev to the moon. I went with the Gen 5 Whipple and am very happy with the power delivery. All PD blowers will be similar in that manner.

 

[Slopoke]

Thats very interesting, I appreciate it.

first graph looks like you gained a ton of low end torque but lost high end hp
second graph seems the same way.

am I being foolish for wanting low end power with 3.73 gears?

The car stock was roughly 180ish WHP. The first turbo was maxed out in terms of HP and torque came in like stock. The second turbo can do over 400 WHP, but I chose to stop at 330ish WHP, for a balance of power and reliability. They both put out similar torque, but one a lot later than the other.

In terms of gearing, I'm not proficient in that area, sorry.

 

[msalvoni]

My driving habits are similar. I don't like to rev to the moon. I went with the Gen 5 Whipple and am very happy with the power delivery. All PD blowers will be similar in that manner.

what gears do you have?

 

[RCK605]

what gears do you have?

I have the 3.37 gears. I have the stage 1 kit with Whipple's tune. First is even more useless than before. Second will spin the tires on demand. Third breaks loose at higher RPMs. Fourth on up will get traction. With better tires the traction will improve some, but still be an issue on the street. I used the Tomahawk to take some power out of first and second and it helped while getting used to the extra power in the low gears.

 

[msalvoni]

I have the 3.37 gears. I have the stage 1 kit with Whipple's tune. First is even more useless than before. Second will spin the tires on demand. Third breaks loose at higher RPMs. Fourth on up will get traction. With better tires the traction will improve some, but still be an issue on the street. I used the Tomahawk to take some power out of first and second and it helped while getting used to the extra power in the low gears.

LOL! I have 3.73 So 1st would be even more uslesss...
can you tell me what The tomohawk is ? NO clue what this means
do you have any supporting mods like injectors, boost a bump?
Did you do OPG/ CS ?
did you isntall whipple yourself?

 

[Adamone92]

LOL! I have 3.73 So 1st would be even more uslesss...
can you tell me what The tomohawk is ? NO clue what this means
do you have any supporting mods like injectors, boost a bump?
Did you do OPG/ CS ?
did you isntall whipple yourself?

Tomahawk tool comes with the whipple kit. It allows you to limit boost by what gear you are in, helping you to actually be able to use first or second gear with a PD blower lol

 

[Slopoke]

Tomahawk tool comes with the whipple kit. It allows you to limit boost by what gear you are in, helping you to actually be able to use first or second gear with a PD blower lol

I've got the stage II tune, my Tomahawk has those options as "Unavailable". The flight control and octane adjust might be for the stage I only.

 

[GreenS550]

I've done Vortech, Procharger and Whipple. Whipple components require no hose cutting. All complete with stock like ends. Procharger instructions were better and less than 1/2 the install time of the Whipple. I would do either again. They are both very good. But, the Procharger easier than putting headers on.

As already said, PD blowers like Whipple give more off idle toque, but these days the Procharger has off idle, though less than the Whipple. However I believe the Procharger builds power smoother and seems to make more power with less boost.

 

[RCK605]

LOL! I have 3.73 So 1st would be even more uslesss...
can you tell me what The tomohawk is ? NO clue what this means
do you have any supporting mods like injectors, boost a bump?
Did you do OPG/ CS ?
did you isntall whipple yourself?

The tomahawk is Whipple's tuning device. If you buy their complete kits (Stage 1 or 2) you get everything you need including injectors, BAP, tuning device, and tune. I did the OPG/CS and installed everything myself in my garage. I would not say it is difficult, but it is time consuming and can be intimidating at times.

If you have never owned a supercharger car (this is my first) then I don't think you can go wrong with any of the kits. The extra kick of of power when the boost comes on is going to make you giggle like a little kid regardless of when it happens. I'm sure that over time I will start to determine what little things I would like to change. If making tweeks and upgrades to my current system doesn't work, then I know I will need a different setup all together.

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