VMP Loki Kit $6999

[BlueCollarDaily]

That's another check for Edelbrock imho 686whp plus you get trans covered and dont require OPGs added either as they will fix your engine then you can do it while its out.....plus you get the programmer....

So this is 6999 but you have no warranty, probably should immediately install OPG/S and probably need clutches soon, so $1000 more with parts OPG/S ( $569 clutches plus $850 for bench work then whatever it takes to get it pulled is the cheapest I can find the 10r80 and it had to be shipped...plus an Ngauge or BDX....ahhh I just keep reversing back to Edelbrock, while the new Roush phase 2 is much more like it...the Edelbrock is ready to boogie if one decides to go from daily to getting with it....
With the Edelbrock I dont have to even worry about the OPG/S or trans clutches for the first 36k miles...It will do 10s....has good cooling though maybe not as good as Loki.....I like how it looks factory....

It's tough if your younger and rip your own engines out like it ain't nothing go with turbos....lol...if any warranty is a concern then it has to be Edelbrock...I'd like to see a warranty with Loki and none with Odin......least a 1yr 12k mile one something....

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[BlueCollarDaily]

I don't know about the cost. I would just pay the difference between stock parts and the upgraded clutches if I have a failure while under warranty.

I was just curious if you had inquired.....I wish they had just sent me the checks I'd have had this shit bulletproof on the first failure and help them help themselves

 

[Stymee]

That's another check for Edelbrock imho 686whp plus you get trans covered and dont require OPGs added either as they will fix your engine then you can do it while its out.....plus you get the programmer....

So this is 6999 but you have no warranty, probably should immediately install OPG/S and probably need clutches soon, so $1000 more with parts OPG/S ( $569 clutches plus $850 for bench work then whatever it takes to get it pulled is the cheapest I can find the 10r80 and it had to be shipped...plus an Ngauge or BDX....ahhh I just keep reversing back to Edelbrock, while the new Roush phase 2 is much more like it...the Edelbrock is ready to boogie if one decides to go from daily to getting with it....
With the Edelbrock I dont have to even worry about the OPG/S or trans clutches for the first 36k miles...It will do 10s....has good cooling though maybe not as good as Loki.....I like how it looks factory....

It's tough if your younger and rip your own engines out like it ain't nothing go with turbos....lol...if any warranty is a concern then it has to be Edelbrock...I'd like to see a warranty with Loki and none with Odin......least a 1yr 12k mile one something....

Not trying to bust your chops but you’ve gone back and forth from the EB tune to the Lund and NEVER raced your car, so u really don’t know what it will run....

Then u said the Lund tune was amazing and couldn’t believe the difference but then u said the 93 EB was pretty good and u could live with it?

Your one of the few that likes any part of the EB tune, most guys say there’s surge and it’s an on/off switch, plus some have had major check engine lights etc

I don't understand why u would pay Lund to tune your EB and then go back to the JUNK tune EB provides?

You’ll NEVER convince me the EB tune is remotely close to the Lund tune, the car won’t ET with the EB tune, however it should with the Lund

 

[Evolution IX]

“So this is 6999 but you have no warranty, probably should immediately install OPG/S and probably need clutches soon, so $1000 more with parts OPG/S ( $569 clutches plus $850 for bench work then whatever it takes to get it pulled is the cheapest I can find the 10r80 and it had to be shipped...”

Sorry I disagree with needing clutches. Plenty of people with 700+whp still on the stock clutches in the 10R80.

Also why do you say OPG/CS? We don’t know where this car in the video was shifting at. If it’s factory shift points or slightly higher OPG/CS really isn’t needed with the 10R80.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

The first answer is I've had and built many cars over the years and know what a 10 second car feels like this is one and it's impossible not to run 10s with an S550 hooking on 686whp...but I specifically prefaced my post with I havent run a 10 yet.....

I've never experienced surging I wasnt able to tune out with orifice on Stage 93....THAT is the advice I gave Patriot as I didnt have that Stage 2 93 problems. My only problem ever had been detonation on the 2-3 recovery from to much boost I put a 3.75 and solved that either tune....

The Lund tune was something THIS installer MADE me buy to redo the work again as a condition of HIS doing it and moving it up some cause he had just done a stage 3 cam install using Lund in a 14 I think it was ....to keep him happy I did however unbeknownst to him I literally drove it home on the EB its fine....and it IS fine Stage 2 93 specifically....not Stage 1 I didnt like the fact it didnt have enough trans scheduling and changes for power added and told them as such.....

Nothing will drive as good as an individualized performance tune given to you by a shop who does 50-70 cars like yours a week especially if you use the dyno....

I'd put the Edelbrock Stage 2 93 at absolutely a great canned tune for daily and even 3mpg more than Lund same mechanical everything.....
Then I'd put any custom tune above that....like normal....

I will run 10s on the Edelbrock tune for sure and it will run faster on Lund for sure that's how they have a business they make everything faster....and I will prove both on the same day back to back.......

But I would give up ANY ET or driving gains with a custom tune for the piece of mind of a warranty on THIS generation of engine/trans specifically BY FAR......

I do prefer second gear leave on the street as the Edelbrock Stage 2 is viscous literally a viscous blower load out but I have been doing that since day one manually......Lund just makes it easy.....

Edelbrock has one problem to much boost BUT they pay for it, when they see they dont have to use a 3.50 to smoke warranted competition of which there is only Roush now....and move to the 3.75 it's near perfection....

I also realize that my start up die I intermittently had, I also had with Lund and is now explained by knock wiring it literally shows up under the searches for P0325...neither EB calibration nor Dakota could figure it out and I tried to log for both......

Nothing gen 3 coyote 10r80 is worth forgoing that $16,500 worth of warranty for...not 1 tenth or 5....

That's how I feel even after I've suffered thru every mainstream to weird failure imaginable in my 14 months of warranty...aside from not being the car if TSB7718 had been out before I did, i wouldn't change my choice....except I would have pushed for a check and used a forged piston then the same whipple tune that blew up Al's car before still hasnt blown up the replacement engine because he did his first blow up forged....tune was the same till literally a week ago.....

The engines are the problem not the blower system, notice they kept theirs under 10.5 psi....Edelbrock had a guy steering them to hot and he left....should continue to improve now.......they been in business 90 years and when push come to shove they paid....everytime....not as fast as I'd like not easy but they did...and NO ONE else will...so it remains my choice....unless your younger or have access to a shop where you can pull, build and change the engines and pull trans to send off without labor....

And that's AFTER what I went thru so imagine my conviction if I still think its the only choice for a new car 17 back or well used 18 bought used may be different

 

[Patriot Six]

Not trying to bust your chops but you’ve gone back and forth from the EB tune to the Lund and NEVER raced your car, so u really don’t know what it will run....

Then u said the Lund tune was amazing and couldn’t believe the difference but then u said the 93 EB was pretty good and u could live with it?

Your one of the few that likes any part of the EB tune, most guys say there’s surge and it’s an on/off switch, plus some have had major check engine lights etc

I don't understand why u would pay Lund to tune your EB and then go back to the JUNK tune EB provides?

You’ll NEVER convince me the EB tune is remotely close to the Lund tune, the car won’t ET with the EB tune, however it should with the Lund

I can verify that the EB tune is not even close to a Lund tune.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

I can verify that the EB tune is not even close to a Lund tune.

Yours had additional issues cause I tried to help with your surging I didnt have and you even admitted my idea to use the orafice in the bypass did calm it down ( this is how they built the tune with that in it ) but transitions into and out of boost are always one of the big keys...Lund and PBD would have that done for sure.....

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

“So this is 6999 but you have no warranty, probably should immediately install OPG/S and probably need clutches soon, so $1000 more with parts OPG/S ( $569 clutches plus $850 for bench work then whatever it takes to get it pulled is the cheapest I can find the 10r80 and it had to be shipped...”

Sorry I disagree with needing clutches. Plenty of people with 700+whp still on the stock clutches in the 10R80.

Also why do you say OPG/CS? We don’t know where this car in the video was shifting at. If it’s factory shift points or slightly higher OPG/CS really isn’t needed with the 10R80.

Oil pump gears ( OPG) and crank sprocket ( CS)....

I dont know except they had to raise it by the admission of this video to stay out of 7th at 610hp....with a trap of what 131 I could calculate it close if I cared to but I haven seen many with 3.55s NEED to.....

I was given 650whp for daily use as the rule of thumb by the people that would know I hope everyone makes a 1000 for 10 years personally.....

 

[Patriot Six]

Yours had additional issues cause I tried to help with your surging I didnt have and you even admitted my idea to use the orafice in the bypass did calm it down ( this is how they built the tune with that in it ) but transitions into and out of boost are always one of the big keys...Lund and PBD would have that done for sure.....

It definitely helped, but driving the car on the EB tune sucked. Much more fun with the Lund tune. Smooth with power everywhere.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

It definitely helped, but driving the car on the EB tune sucked. Much more fun with the Lund tune. Smooth with power everywhere.

Completely agree those I suspect mine is not as bad as yours was however i would not trade those driving niceties for not having a warranty on this particular platform at least for a year......
Nor would I buy any kit not willing to stand behind it when put on your new car by an ASE certified tech.

Now smashing it say 8 months to a year then upping to custom tune for some ET, I think everyone gets that. I wasnt building a race car....I wanted more than stage 1 not quite stage 2 and I'm in Goldielox zone right now hehe in fact truthfully it's so viscous I'd like one more out.....

 

[Stymee]

It definitely helped, but driving the car on the EB tune sucked. Much more fun with the Lund tune. Smooth with power everywhere.

Can’t argue with that, u as most who’ve gone from EB tune to a Lund/PBD are much happier.

There’s no denying the warranty tune is nice blue collar but as soon as u removed the pulley on your Stage II to the 3.75 your warranties void, u don’t have a warranty, as soon as u loaded the Lund tune in your car your warranties void too

YOU HAVE NO WARRANTY BUDDY
Again I’m not breaking your chops, just stating fact

 

[Patriot Six]

With your luck, the warranty makes sense. Lol

If I grenade the motor, I’ll at least have a smile on my face when it goes.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

Can’t argue with that, u as most who’ve gone from EB tune to a Lund/PBD are much happier.

There’s no denying the warranty tune is nice blue collar but as soon as u removed the pulley on your Stage II to the 3.75 your warranties void, u don’t have a warranty, as soon as u loaded the Lund tune in your car your warranties void too

YOU HAVE NO WARRANTY BUDDY
Again I’m not breaking your chops, just stating fact

I think you may see that changing soon...I think you may see a change to 3.75 with a degree or so more timing in it....

They self warranty it's not a technicality....call them up and tell them you want a sealed 3.75 kit and see if they let you? Why would they not let you run less boost LOL.....they would love it....

I do have a Lund tune? I don't see it on my PCM that's been bled down with capacitors or corrupted....damn it was my pcm all along.....

Bet this when I do this 4hr trip it will have the EB tune on it......

Not trying to bust ya balls but there is ONE man at Edelbrock that determines what is and isnt warranty be fair with him and he will be fair with you....may not be in the timeframe I like but since i didnt take my car to the track immediately and lived within the spirit of the warranty I've felt that always went a long ways...along with supreme logging and document keeping......

I would not expect them to warranty a Lund tune though they may well if you call and ask depending on what it was, your only chance is Edelbrock because LUND, PBD nor VMP whipple or Procharger cuts checks in fact LFP had to stop all warranty except Roush and Edelbrock cause companies wouldnt pay out and these cars are a crap shoot at best.....

My point which seems like it may have gotten lost, is having walked both sides of the fence and been bitten every way possible, I would forgoe a LUND tune for the warranty of the imho perfectly fine 93 stage 2 Edelbrock tune....

Based on my experience with the platform boosted and non and the research of done with cross market rivals blowing up cars on stock tunes and crank snouts ripping off......

If I bought a new car ( not mine already modified ) I'd go Edelbrock Stage 2 from the start and a warranty....because the cars are so hit and miss, LUND themselves joke about it all the time.....Alex always deflects on the gen 3 subject too (93) until minimum i got say 100 smashes in, what's the hurry.....then tune it's easy to add later....once you know the entire power train of your brand new car is going to mostly likely handle it.....

Of the aftermarket I DO like the VMP which seems super similar to the Edelbrock in that they provide their tune with it and hopefully that tune will be based off data they got from this video....
Their cooling is a notch better and they will continue to innovate and support it years to come.....
If its race just turbo nothing beat em really......

If you get the Edelbrock stage 2 and the worst happens and the engine has to come out there is a LOT that can be upgraded with no to little additional labor..
If the trans goes same just sub the clutches.....
So run on them in the spirit of the warranty if it does fail its win win upgrade time.( VMP its save for engine time instead of mahle no rebalance in a new short block time )..if it doesnt run around for 36k miles with no worries get 28mpg on the hwy......
I simply believe they have the best combination of initial performance to potential performance plus warranty on the market, they will be fair when they are convinced you are....they had a bad apple he is now gone..

I make this a promise if I draw breath long enough for my grandbaby to get here I will go to Memphis International Dragway and do a 1/4 mile on the EB tune and custom tune....both will run 10s.....one much deeper hehe...

I will do this for all of us, you got to recall I never had the shut off issues my car was doing dragy times of 11.5s on the street in stage 1....in summer with a worn belt....and I'm a lard ass....THIS will certainly do 10s on a 305 45 17....it has no power problems except to much...

Also I think the reason I rave about the 93 stage 2 tune could be that I had the stage 1 and didnt like it....and spent some time dialing in the bypass orifice with n20 jets....lastly but certainly not least I think many of may be 3.55 cars...I'm a 3.15 and at the time 27.4 inch tire...car and I'm fat....I'll never forget how disappointed I was once it was broke in ( bout 900 miles ) and I hit it first time from a dead stop....it done nothing my GOD it was lethargic.....I immediately pulled over googled read some post here put it in drag mode and held up to turn advance track off.....still pig pig lazy wouldnt turn a tire but the shifts was crazy!!!
Point is that even on the 50 state legal emissions tune in Stage 2 as I prove around on the 91 then went 93 during break in the car come alive compared to how it was stock or in stage 1....
.......and of coarse Lund is a step above that however in retrospect if one hadn't used their warranty then some not a step via the 988 miles I put on my particular car, before first WOTs, I'd trash the warranty off the bat for.....and I certainly wouldnt buy from a company that cant warranty it at all not even a 90 day or something....hit it once and it blows then what? Me I just picked up the phone and Edelbrock cut a 10,055 check I doubt VMP does that and we cant say it doesnt happen stock...it does.....

Give me a 17 coyote and a proven 6R80 and I'd probably go VMP Loki its lovely kit....
But gen 3 10r80...give me that warranty please then I'll use the mechanic labor to may advantage to beef things up if and when it does fail...

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

With your luck, the warranty makes sense. Lol

If I grenade the motor, I’ll at least have a smile on my face when it goes.

Lol no shit....haha I cant even catch a break when every is how I wanted it a roden eats a wire I cant get to without pulling the blower off haha...
Little tiny procharger seems nice right now.....

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

I really like VMP, I like how they keep supporting products after their life cycle....so I dont want this to seem like I dont and the Loki and Odin kits are fine kits...

As usual I dwattle on I just am not confident in the Gen 3 coyote boosted on 93 nor the 10r80 long term so I would choose EB Stage 2 for warranty and power...I guess I could have condensed it down to that....

As it seems no one has stock 3.15 geared 93 EB stage 2 numbers I will get them for everyone just give me a few weeks I think March 5th is the first test n tune...

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