No manual transmission, only 7 speed DCT?

[Darkane]

The fastest GTR (Nismo) isnt that much faster than a GT350R.

You’re right, however I t is over one second faster on a small track like LS.

I just want to illustrate something here, the nismo has FAR less rubber than the 350. At 255/285 it’s hurting. Also, it doesn’t have cup tires.

Some guys in the gtr camp have had amazing success running cup style tires into the 335 width in the back and 305 frontal.

Even with the same rubber as the 350R (305/315) the nismo would drop another 1-1.5 seconds easy.

I’ll say right now, confidently, the 500 WILL NOT do 1:35.01 like the nismo did around LS. It’ll be fast however.

If there is an R, I hope it does because the 1LE is 1:34.30.

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[Hi-PO Stang]

I will be pleased with whatever Ford does with the GT500 as long as it has a V8 engine. I can accept the fact Ford is working to make the IRS handle the increase in horsepower and behave well on a road course. If Ford produces a powerful GT500 that gets the horsepower to the pavement , I will be happy. The GT500 has the future for more exotic performance pieces to make it even greater.

 

[BmacIL]

You’re right, however I t is over one second faster on a small track like LS.

I just want to illustrate something here, the nismo has FAR less rubber than the 350. At 255/285 it’s hurting. Also, it doesn’t have cup tires.

Some guys in the gtr camp have had amazing success running cup style tires into the 335 width in the back and 305 frontal.

Even with the same rubber as the 350R (305/315) the nismo would drop another 1-1.5 seconds easy.

I’ll say right now, confidently, the 500 WILL NOT do 1:35.01 like the nismo did around LS. It’ll be fast however.

If there is an R, I hope it does because the 1LE is 1:34.30.

So you don't think that a GT350R with ~200 more hp, more tire, more aero, more brakes and a fast shifting trans can make up 1 second?

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Probably "me too" is the wrong way to say it.

Maybe, but I got what you were saying, i.e., nothing to break the formula of domestic ["consumer level"] high performance: V8 + supercharger + RWD + manual and/or automatic. The DCT - especially as the only option - seemed like a bit of a departure, and we know they can be dialed in to all the other vehicle dynamics and be very effective.

At the end of the day, I think "the formula" is just a way to build these kinds of cars and price them so mere mortals can still afford one

 

[Darkane]

So you don't think that a GT350R with ~200 more hp, more tire, more aero, more brakes and a fast shifting trans can make up 1 second?

Not the regular one, no.

I’m still assuming it’s coming in two flavours.

I agree with all the things you said, then add 400 pounds to the 350s 3700 (electronics package curb).

Like I said, LS isn’t a horsepower track. It’s a glue track. I mean I’d be thrilled if it did. I’m in ford’s corner, truly. But I’m also not a fanboy, i love and appreciate all cars.

 

[BmacIL]

Not the regular one, no.

I’m still assuming it’s coming in two flavours.

I agree with all the things you said, then add 400 pounds to the 350s 3700 (electronics package curb).

Like I said, LS isn’t a horsepower track. It’s a glue track. I mean I’d be thrilled if it did. I’m in ford’s corner, truly. But I’m also not a fanboy, i love and appreciate all cars.

It's not going to gain 400 lbs. I'm confident in that. I know a few others here are confident in the other way, but I've done the math and there's a compelling walk to a comfortably sub 4000 (39XX) lb car.

 

[Darkane]

It's not going to gain 400 lbs. I'm confident in that. I know a few others here are confident in the other way, but I've done the math and there's a compelling walk to a comfortably sub 4000 (39XX) lb car.

That would be awesome. Truly hope so.

Now it’s still grey as to wether an R exists. Is that the ‘R’ weight? Or the tech package street car??

 

[908ssp]

DCTs are awesome can't wait to see it in the GT500.

 

[Norm Peterson]

For myself though, numbers are not the whole story and while they definitely are for bragging rights, magazine tests and bench racing, if I can't shift it for myself then something is lost in The whole driving experience.

Would you be more inclined to appreciate a DCT if they took the shifting off of paddles and put it in a +/- gate on the floor shifter instead?

The one thing I have not seen anyone mentioning maybe I'm the only one who cares but the sound of shifts in a car with a dual clutch transmission is terrible. Sounds like it farts between gears.

Is this happens more in mild to moderate driving? I don't recall hearing it in track videos, where a DCT is at its best.

Other mfrs ought to pay attention to Porsche . . .


Norm

 

[908ssp]

Tell me wouldn't want this transmission in the gt500.Skip a head to 8:25 in the video if you want to hear the tranny explanation.

 

[GTthree50]

Would you be more inclined to appreciate a DCT if they took the shifting off of paddles and put it in a +/- gate on the floor shifter instead?


Is this happens more in mild to moderate driving? I don't recall hearing it in track videos, where a DCT is at its best.

Other mfrs ought to pay attention to Porsche . . .


Norm

No, a console mounted manual shifter is nothing new and not any better or worse than paddles. I don’t care for either. For me the problem is a lack of feel and involvement. If my hand is shifting then my left foot should be occupied as well. I fully understand the need for maximum performance at all costs, but in the case of an automatic transmission I’m just not interested since enjoyment trumps all out numbers. That is purely from a street car perspective. When I sold my 911 to buy the Shelby one of the overriding factors was the availability of a manual. Any car that was auto only was immediately removed from any consideration. I actually thought heavily about an Alfa Giulia Quadrofolio until they announced no stick for America. The day the manual goes away completely, and it seems like that day is not far off will truly be a sad one for many enthusiasts. I do get the rational but from a consumer point of view it is always nice to have a choice.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Tell me wouldn't want this transmission in the gt500.Skip a head to 8:25 in the video if you want to hear the tranny explanation.

He's way too enamored with aggressive clutch/gear engagement.


Norm

 

[GTthree50]

If you are refer to me, you a

He's way too focused on aggressive clutch/gear engagement.


Norm

If you are referring to me you are completely wrong. Nowhere in any post have I said or implied anything about aggressive engagement. The only engagement I’m talking about is being engaged in the driving experience. I DD my Shelby, take it to work, grocery store, out to go get a haircut, etc as well as spirited back road use. It is my own feeling about what I choose to drive or not drive. No argument that DCT/DSG/Dual Clutch transmission styles can provide real performance and efficiency gains but they are not for everyone.

 

[Norm Peterson]

No, a console mounted manual shifter is nothing new and not any better or worse than paddles. I don’t care for either. For me the problem is a lack of feel and involvement. If my hand is shifting then my left foot should be occupied as well.

I fully understand the matters of feel and involvement, so let me rephrase the question . . .

If you had to pick either paddles or a +/- shifter gate - you had to choose one or the other with no other choice possible - would you pick the gate over the paddles?

FWIW, I'm the same way with respect to "automatic only". So is my wife (not giving out her age, but our kids are in their mid-40's).


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

If you are referring to me you are completely wrong.

Not you at all. I was referring to the reviewer in that Ferrari video.

You use your Shelby with the same attitude and involvement expectation that I have when I use any of my cars.


Norm

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