2018 Transmission 6 speed manual vs. 10 speed automatic

[tranceporter]

That's from your cats not the transmission.

Noted but the heat is coming directly from the transmission tunnel. I'm definitely going to add some more insulation when I take the center console apart for the short shifter install.

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[Norm Peterson]

Just keep the rpm at an optimal range.

Understood (I've been driving stick almost exclusively for a few decades at this point). But there are situations where that's easier said than done, or maybe I should say easier said than convenient.

The most common situation I'm talking about occurs when you make a 90° turn off a 45-ish mph main road onto a neighborhood street. It's reasonable to downshift from 5th to 3rd prior to turning, but going down directly from 5th to 2nd at 45 for a 15 - 20 mph corner really doesn't fit within the mindset you should have in normal daily driving. Even when you know ahead of time that you're going to have to make that second downshift (3rd to 2nd), it still feels clumsy to have to.

NA engines are less sensitive to being operated at low rpms.


Norm

 

[DL109er]

Thanks to all that have replied, especially to Norm who is dialing into what I'm really asking (which, admittedly, being new to this, I wasn't really sure what I was asking...)

So, I ended up getting the 6spd manual and an otherwise-stock EB Premium (201A pkg) - i.e. no performance package. I've always had manual, but in NA engines (Escort, EXP, Saturn, Tacoma) so I'm new to manually shifting a turbocharged car (nevermind, twin turbo). I've heard a lot about boost and acknowledge I have a lot to learn.

I guess my main question is what RPM range should I be trying to maintain? (I'm used to keeping an eye on my tach) Or should I be paying more attention to the vacuum/boost gauge? (which, given the 201A digital dash, I've got that gauge front an center)

Maybe the answer depends on whether I'm driving it "normally" (it's my daily driver/commute car) or "spiritedly" (heh - like when I'm doing 0-60 pulls getting on the highway).

The car will be 5 weeks old (to me) this coming Friday and I've been really enjoying the pull it has compared to anything I've owned before. I just want to be sure I'm "doing it right" - or at least not doing it too wrong. The "it" being proper shifting, of course.

Thanks again for any insight/guidance/suggestions!

Chris

 

[Norm Peterson]

I guess my main question is what RPM range should I be trying to maintain? (I'm used to keeping an eye on my tach) Or should I be paying more attention to the vacuum/boost gauge? (which, given the 201A digital dash, I've got that gauge front an center)

Congratulations on your purchase.

In normal driving I wouldn't worry about watching either one (I almost never even glance at them). Just drive the car in the gear that puts the engine at enough revs to feel responsive, but not so many that the next gear up would also feel responsive. You'll probably find some minimum rpm where boost can first be felt coming in, so you'll generally not want to be too far below that. I'm guessing this might be in the neighborhood of 2000 rpm, give/take a couple hundred rpm.

I'm completely serious about not needing either the tach or a vac/boost gauge in most driving once you can go "by feel". A possible exception would be during drag racing, and even then it'd mainly be so you don't run all the way into fuel cut once the red mist of competition kicks in.

"Let The Force be with you" . . . or something like that.


Norm

 

[hiccup]

Chris, As time goes by and you adapt to all the ecoboost offers and feel you need a little something extra look into the Boostmax/pedalmax. ..

 

[Ebm]

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Thanks to all that have replied, especially to Norm who is dialing into what I'm really asking (which, admittedly, being new to this, I wasn't really sure what I was asking...)

So, I ended up getting the 6spd manual and an otherwise-stock EB Premium (201A pkg) - i.e. no performance package. I've always had manual, but in NA engines (Escort, EXP, Saturn, Tacoma) so I'm new to manually shifting a turbocharged car (nevermind, twin turbo). I've heard a lot about boost and acknowledge I have a lot to learn.

I guess my main question is what RPM range should I be trying to maintain? (I'm used to keeping an eye on my tach) Or should I be paying more attention to the vacuum/boost gauge? (which, given the 201A digital dash, I've got that gauge front an center)

Maybe the answer depends on whether I'm driving it "normally" (it's my daily driver/commute car) or "spiritedly" (heh - like when I'm doing 0-60 pulls getting on the highway).

The car will be 5 weeks old (to me) this coming Friday and I've been really enjoying the pull it has compared to anything I've owned before. I just want to be sure I'm "doing it right" - or at least not doing it too wrong. The "it" being proper shifting, of course.

Thanks again for any insight/guidance/suggestions!

Chris

Coming from a former ecoboost owner, it's a low-end torque motor. Car manufacturers put relatively small turbos in these cars so they make their power on the low end of the spectrum aka good for daily driving. The issue is, these turbos are restricted up top because they are small. They can't breathe as well up top.

Doing a 0-60 pull, shift early instead of taking it to redline. You will keep it in the power band instead of feeling it drop off up top. Peak horsepower hits at 5500rpm and peak torque hits at 3000rpm.

Heat hurts this car a lot. If you do a few strong pulls in her, she may start to heat soak and some of the timing gets pulled. Best bang for the buck performance upgrades are an aftermarket intercooler and a tune(Ford Performance is a solid one that is really reliable for the '15-'17 cars. Not sure of its availability for the '18).

 

[Norm Peterson]

Coming from a former ecoboost owner, it's a low-end torque motor.

Can you put a minimum rpm you'd like to be at or above with that, and not just in 1st or 2nd? As much for satisfying my own curiosity as for helping DL109.


Norm

 

[Ebm]

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Can you put a minimum rpm you'd like to be at or above with that, and not just in 1st or 2nd? As much for satisfying my own curiosity as for helping DL109.


Norm

My experience is on the '15-'17 cars, but around 2200-2300rpm all the way up to around 5700-5800rpm it had good pull. After 5700-5800rpm, boost fell off rapidly. Tune+octane really wakes this car up. Makes the car feel more alive in the upper rpm range past that 5800rpm mark.

Granted, I know there was a torque increase for the '18. I have no idea how the '18 drives.

 

[DL109er]

DD vs. Performance RPM range

My experience is on the '15-'17 cars, but around 2200-2300rpm all the way up to around 5700-5800rpm it had good pull. After 5700-5800rpm, boost fell off rapidly. Tune+octane really wakes this car up. Makes the car feel more alive in the upper rpm range past that 5800rpm mark.

Granted, I know there was a torque increase for the '18. I have no idea how the '18 drives.

Thanks to Norm & EBM for further clarification.

So it looks like for "spirited" performance driving, my range is 2200-5800rpm. And for Daily Driving, looks like a range of 1600-2500rpm (roughly based on the owner's manual recommendation for "economical driving")

And thanks also for the recommended first mods (intercooler and Ford tune). I have plenty of power for now and not tracking it (yet), but these are on my list for when money & time allow.

Thanks again and be sure to let me know if I'm missing or misunderstood anything.

Chris

 

[Zinc03svt]

I looking to get either an 18 or 19 GT and honestly the 10 speed is at the top of the must have’s for me. I love manual cars and have been driving a manual mk7 GTI for almost two years. On the vdub forums they argue about dsg versus manual non stop. ;).

 

[Norm Peterson]

1600 rpm??? My guess is that Ford is accepting driving that's closer to lugging than I ever would for me. Then again, when driving my wife's Subie in slow-moving traffic that refuses to maintain any semblance of constant speed I've been known to make upward of 50 shifts per mile.


Norm

 

[DL109er]

1600 rpm??? My guess is that Ford is accepting driving that's closer to lugging than I ever would for me. Then again, when driving my wife's Subie in slow-moving traffic that refuses to maintain any semblance of constant speed I've been known to make upward of 50 shifts per mile.


Norm

So your preferred RPM range would start north of 2000? 2200?

 

[Jimmy G]

The automatic is a paddle shift gearbox.

If you're the type of guy who drives his automatic in manual mode most/all of the time, then consider if you can live with paddles.

I do, and I can't.


Edit: I missed the post where you mentioned you bought a six speed manual.....congrats .

 

[Cardude99]

Thanks to all that have replied, especially to Norm who is dialing into what I'm really asking (which, admittedly, being new to this, I wasn't really sure what I was asking...)

So, I ended up getting the 6spd manual and an otherwise-stock EB Premium (201A pkg) - i.e. no performance package. I've always had manual, but in NA engines (Escort, EXP, Saturn, Tacoma) so I'm new to manually shifting a turbocharged car (nevermind, twin turbo). I've heard a lot about boost and acknowledge I have a lot to learn.

I guess my main question is what RPM range should I be trying to maintain? (I'm used to keeping an eye on my tach) Or should I be paying more attention to the vacuum/boost gauge? (which, given the 201A digital dash, I've got that gauge front an center)

Maybe the answer depends on whether I'm driving it "normally" (it's my daily driver/commute car) or "spiritedly" (heh - like when I'm doing 0-60 pulls getting on the highway).

The car will be 5 weeks old (to me) this coming Friday and I've been really enjoying the pull it has compared to anything I've owned before. I just want to be sure I'm "doing it right" - or at least not doing it too wrong. The "it" being proper shifting, of course.

Thanks again for any insight/guidance/suggestions!

Chris

Nice color choice.

 

[Cardude99]

1600 rpm??? My guess is that Ford is accepting driving that's closer to lugging than I ever would for me. Then again, when driving my wife's Subie in slow-moving traffic that refuses to maintain any semblance of constant speed I've been known to make upward of 50 shifts per mile.


Norm

Car feels fine above 1300 rpm. No lugging noticed

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