Why Ford is keeping the Mustang

[Austinj427]

Tesla is only the spark for the market.

I don't think they will make it but the other companies that can develop a similar setup and not lose money will.

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[Big Boss]

I'd be surprised if the Tesla Semi actually gets sold, based on their current issues.

Mainstream EV commercial trucks are going to be a reality soon, but in the vocational & municipal markets WAY before over-the-road (linehaul) tractors. I laughed my butt off when the Tesla was announced, and for so many reasons that are agreed-upon if you know much about the commercial truck industry.

IMO the Tesla semi as it was previewed would be a terrible product. not so much from the electric drivetrain, but rather the things like seating position and lack of mirrors.

IMO the first step for EV commercial trucks, would be to run stuff from dock to dock or terminal to terminal. Start small before having them get out on the road.

 

[BmacIL]

IMO the Tesla semi as it was previewed would be a terrible product. not so much from the electric drivetrain, but rather the things like seating position and lack of mirrors.

IMO the first step for EV commercial trucks, would be to run stuff from dock to dock or terminal to terminal. Start small before having them get out on the road.

Beverage delivery, parcel/mail delivery, local municipal, landscaping, etc. All are great candidates for EV trucks, as they have home base every night and are generally not going more than ~50-100 mi round trip.

 

[Fatguy]

Beverage delivery, parcel/mail delivery, local municipal, landscaping, etc. All are great candidates for EV trucks, as they have home base every night and are generally not going more than ~50-100 mi round trip.

Already done up here with propane and then hybrid. This strategy is preferred politically as you can stay away from carbon taxes and asking the population to change their lives. Even Donald would consider this. Non-electric trucks clog up highways in stop and go traffic as they accelerate slower as in way slower. They idle in town and this would be eliminated. Given the options the public would endorse this. But we have to start quickly. We need incentives even if it is increased depreciation rate for diesel and other commercial vehicles to roll out electric trucks and start this going. I think this is the best course going forward.

 

[Hack]

Already done up here with propane and then hybrid. This strategy is preferred politically as you can stay away from carbon taxes and asking the population to change their lives. Even Donald would consider this. Non-electric trucks clog up highways in stop and go traffic as they accelerate slower as in way slower. They idle in town and this would be eliminated. Given the options the public would endorse this. But we have to start quickly. We need incentives even if it is increased depreciation rate for diesel and other commercial vehicles to roll out electric trucks and start this going. I think this is the best course going forward.

Donald should have nothing to do with it. We should not have incentives. If they suck, they suck and we shouldn't pay people to build something that sucks just because we think someday they might be able to build something that sucks less. Wait until the technology is good enough to displace existing tech without having a leg up.

Otherwise you're just filling the dumps with a bunch of toxic, worn out, obsolete batteries - on taxpayer funds.

 

[Fatguy]

Donald should have nothing to do with it. We should not have incentives. If they suck, they suck and we shouldn't pay people to build something that sucks just because we think someday they might be able to build something that sucks less. Wait until the technology is good enough to displace existing tech without having a leg up.

Otherwise you're just filling the dumps with a bunch of toxic, worn out, obsolete batteries - on taxpayer funds.

I agree they should perform and be cost effective. The problem is that commercial vehicles are kept until they disintegrate. I would not offer cash but let them write off the depreciation faster. If we are good to go with electric in five years then I am happy. BTW: This has already been tested and implemented up here in Canada and all Hell did not break loose. It can work without compromises that result in losses on the balance sheet or paid for with tax payer money.

 

[Fatguy]

As a kid I was unhappy that plants and trees only had 0.03% CO2 in the atmosphere to eat. Years on I feel the best thing we, as humans, can do is release some of the locked away CO2 for the poor old plants. If this causes a bit of warming up then so what?


The planet will die without healthy plants, I feel it's our job to give them a good feed.

Especially when they are underwater because global warming raised the water table. :lol:

 

[Norm Peterson]

I agree they should perform and be cost effective. The problem is that commercial vehicles are kept until they disintegrate. I would not offer cash but let them write off the depreciation faster. If we are good to go with electric in five years then I am happy. BTW: This has already been tested and implemented up here in Canada and all Hell did not break loose. It can work without compromises that result in losses on the balance sheet or paid for with tax payer money.

Isn't the current depreciation schedule only something like 3 years? Why would anybody with a much longer loan want to lose the depreciation allowance any faster?

As it happened, I was down at the local Kenworth shop today (son's truck needed a drive axle bearing after about 1.2 million miles, about 2/3 of which are his). When the new trucks can command prices north of $150k and used trucks maybe a third of that, most small companies and virtually all owner-ops are going to keep springing for the occasional $1k to $3k repair. Even an engine or transmission replacement might not be off the table.

Too bad I didn't see these latest posts earlier. I could have asked the kid for his thoughts from the inside of the trucking business.


Norm

 

[Fatguy]

What's so funny about that?

My finger slipped and hit the icon by mistake.

Well now the “save the plankton” people are happy if that is true. Of course the flooding will be offset by the deserts in much of North America.


Anyway population growth was the big problem back when and now it’s not so urgent. This will be the same. If you have ever been to summits where kids travel great distances on their own dime to tell you to clean up your act as they can’t right now and they want a future; well it has its effect on you if you have a moral center and can be part of that change. The changes will happen as they always do. And change for the better.


Just saying...

 

[Fatguy]

Isn't the current depreciation schedule only something like 3 years? Why would anybody with a much longer loan want to lose the depreciation allowance any faster?

As it happened, I was down at the local Kenworth shop today (son's truck needed a drive axle bearing after about 1.2 million miles, about 2/3 of which are his). When the new trucks can command prices north of $150k and used trucks maybe a third of that, most small companies and virtually all owner-ops are going to keep springing for the occasional $1k to $3k repair. Even an engine or transmission replacement might not be off the table.

Too bad I didn't see these latest posts earlier. I could have asked the kid for his thoughts from the inside of the trucking business.


Norm

It’ll be payload. They will need cash incentives but I don’t need the aggravation on a Mustang forum about that issue.

 

[BmacIL]

Isn't the current depreciation schedule only something like 3 years? Why would anybody with a much longer loan want to lose the depreciation allowance any faster?

As it happened, I was down at the local Kenworth shop today (son's truck needed a drive axle bearing after about 1.2 million miles, about 2/3 of which are his). When the new trucks can command prices north of $150k and used trucks maybe a third of that, most small companies and virtually all owner-ops are going to keep springing for the occasional $1k to $3k repair. Even an engine or transmission replacement might not be off the table.

Too bad I didn't see these latest posts earlier. I could have asked the kid for his thoughts from the inside of the trucking business.


Norm

I'm on the OEM side of it.

 

[SlaughterOfTheSoul]

Love the absolute control of acceleration and grip that electric cars offer. Hate the weight! I can't wait for battery tech to progress enough to be economical, safe, and light. That's the tipping point for electric cars. The market will struggle with this for a while as adoption rate wrestles availability and demand.

Donald should have nothing to do with it. We should not have incentives. If they suck, they suck and we shouldn't pay people to build something that sucks just because we think someday they might be able to build something that sucks less. Wait until the technology is good enough to displace existing tech without having a leg up.

Otherwise you're just filling the dumps with a bunch of toxic, worn out, obsolete batteries - on taxpayer funds.

Yeah but we incentive things that compete like E85 so we kinda have to just to see continued innovation. I don't have complete confidence in Tesla, however....

 

[sicpuppy]

Never!
No manual transmission option.
No V8.
No Soul
No Heritage
I think the new Camry looks better.

No sale.

Don't believe the hype. The Mustang will be alive and well when everyone has long forgotten about the Stinger.

Your are wrong Kia does have a Soul. One of them is even turbocharged!

 

[sicpuppy]

As many Kia nutswingers that are on this forum, I’m surprised they aren’t petitioning to
Have the mustang discontinued. Lol.

I'm a Kia Nutwing! I have a 17 Mustang GT, Kia Stinger and a 17 Challenger Hellcat.

The Stinger is nearly as fast as the GT, within tenths of a second, but the Stinger has a back seat. Ever tried to put a full sized adult in the back of a GT?

My Mustang has a 3 yr/36,000 mile basic, 5 yr/60,000 mile. powertrain warrenty. My Stinger has 5 yr/60,000 mile basic, 10 yr/100,000 mile powertrain warrenty.

Both cars have their good points but I would not place one over the other in reliaility.

I bought my GT so I would have something to drive in the winter. My Hellcat is a summer/good weather car only.

I like each one for what they bring to the table. All three are excellent choices.

They all RULE!

Just this nutwings opinion.

 

[carguy1701]

You can make a new taurus and focus. Ford is mustang, mustang is Ford. You don't hang around for over 50 years without developing that brand recognition. While it may not sell the most cars and might not be as profitible on paper as some of the cars killed, it brings people into dealers and creates brand loyalty. How many mustang buyers own other ford's? I've bought 5 new cars in my life thus far, 3 have been ford's.

This.

A little over 20 years ago, Acura switched to alphjnumeric names because they discovered that people recognized the name 'Legend' more than they did Acura, and they wanted people to know the brand.

They've never recovered from that.

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