POLL: Guess MY18 Power Level!

[Petroleum Jesus]

when the 15 was released did they give the #s right away? or how about when they refreshed the 13-14s, anyone know what the wait for the #s were? im just curious if its going to be a few weeks or few months

April for '13, and July for '15.

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[williamwally]

the MY18 having 2 overdrives in the 6 speed instead of one?

It would make sense. If the MY18 has a significant torque bump, it wouldn't need the extra gear to stay in the powerband...meaning an extra overdrive would be a logical option.

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And probably with the extra revs they found that staying in gear is faster around a track, like the gt350. And not having possibility of a 4-5 gear change before the quarter mile probably helped those times to.

Depending on the final gear it might not feel as fast on the street with more power, but if it's faster does it matter?

 

[moto111]

480 is a pipe dream lol I laugh at that 455 is probably where it will be and frankly il tune my 17 and save 7-8k lol

 

[Shark77]

Nope. Congress had nothing to do with it. The original CAFE standards were enacted by Congress in the 70s, but they expired decades ago. Modern CAFE standards were dictated by the Obama administration under the umbrella of the the NHTSS and the EPA. This isn't anything unusual. Almost all regulations are not authorized by Congress, hence Donald Trump's ability to repeal them unilaterally.

They didn't expire, they were updated in 2007, under the Energy Independence and Security Act. Among part of that act raised fleet averages to achieve 35mpg by 2020.

Furthermore, in order to even change the standards the regulations have to go through a rule making process (governed by the Administrative Procedure Act), which can take years. Congress put forth that regulations will be determined by the NHTSA, EPA, and CARB (California). It can't be waived by Executive Order.

 

[1320']

480 is a pipe dream lol I laugh at that 455 is probably where it will be and frankly il tune my 17 and save 7-8k lol

You're hung up on horsepower, but you're missing the point on torque.

You won't be able to tune in more torque that is gained from the DI/PI and you still won't have the A10.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Just look what a difference the 8 speed and a 50 pound torque advantage has done for the Camaro.

 

[Marino]

480 is a pipe dream lol I laugh at that 455 is probably where it will be and frankly il tune my 17 and save 7-8k lol

480 isn't a pipe dream. It'll gain no less than 40 horsepower based on numerous other engines that switched to direct injection. That puts it at 475 horsepower. That doesn't take into account the larger bore, better flowing heads, better flowing intake manifold, higher redline, and reduced friction. I think it's safe to say those will be good for another 10-20 horsepower by conservative estimates. That puts it at 485-495 horsepower. If that is the case Ford would likely underrate it to 480 horsepower. If Ford somehow detunes the engine, a simple aftermarket tune could bring it close to 500 horsepower. There's no way you're going to get close to the gen 3 Coyote's horsepower and torque from just a tune. Also what about the 10 speed, better tires, and better suspension?

 

[Marino]

When the '18 mustang comes out and it runs 12 second flat 1/4 mile stock with the auto then all the haters will say "but it's still ugly! Give me a tune, some tires, full length headers and I'm there too!"

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[5LITER]

If the manual can run 12 flat, ill trade mine in and embrace that ugly mug. I have a english bully so....ha ha

 

[w3rkn]

480 isn't a pipe dream. It'll gain no less than 40 horsepower based on numerous other engines that switched to direct injection. That puts it at 475 horsepower. That doesn't take into account the larger bore, better flowing heads, better flowing intake manifold, higher redline, and reduced friction. I think it's safe to say those will be good for another 10-20 horsepower by conservative estimates. That puts it at 485-495 horsepower. If that is the case Ford would likely underrate it to 480 horsepower. If Ford somehow detunes the engine, a simple aftermarket tune could bring it close to 500 horsepower. There's no way you're going to get close to the gen 3 Coyote's horsepower and torque from just a tune. Also what about the 10 speed, better tires, and better suspension?

Goes back to what I was saying...

Ford will release the new 5.0 (in the Mustang), tuned for 460 HP'ish and around 29mpg. But the average Joe running 91-93 octane tune, will get a modest 470HP & 435TQ & then some.

With some performance engineered aftermarkets ($3k) w/tune and you are looking at a solid 500HP motor.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Goes back to what I was saying...

Ford will release the new 5.0 (in the Mustang), tuned for 460 HP'ish and around 29mpg. But the average Joe running 91-93 octane tune, will get a modest 470HP & 435TQ & then some.

With some performance engineered aftermarkets ($3k) w/tune and you are looking at a solid 500HP motor.

I love it how people keep projecting the outrageous figures. What is your basis? I and several others have cited figures based on verifiable gains in which the similiar performance upgrades were applied. Can any of the 455-460hp crowd cite a single example in which direct injection was applied to an existing engine with similar gains, because I am not aware of a single solitary one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the burden of proof lies on those with the unsubstantiated claims.

 

[9secondko]

So... after reviewing Ford's excellent dash cluster code, I am still going with 475. 455 seems too easy. With the car being in 4th gear going 55mph. Notice also the number 289. Now we know it will still be a 302 (around that number...), so there is a tiny bit more going on. If you divide 455 by 289 then take the result multiplied by 302, you get 475.

Could be wrong. But sure is fun.

 

[moto111]

hahah omg 500hp lmao ford would not be dumb enough to let this car get close to a gt350 i mean come on. they will do 455 or 460 to simply beat the cameras numbers. some people are living on a prayer with there hopes lmao

 

[9secondko]

I love it how people keep projecting the outrageous figures. What is your basis? I and several others have cited figures based on verifiable gains in which the similiar performance upgrades were applied. Can any of the 455-460hp crowd cite a single example in which direct injection was applied to an existing engine with similar gains, because I am not aware of a single solitary example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the burden of proof lies on those with the unsubstantiated claims.

The 5.0 should be able to easily exceed 455-460 cleanly.

Road and Track put out that number ballpark. But they tend to also underestimate the Mustang.

If it's 455, that's OK, but really should have been that already.

475 is where it needs to land.

At 455, the Mustang would still be on the losing end of performance due to lower torque and higher weight (if Ford hasn't reduced it, which seems unlikely). 475 hp would tip the balance (esp with reduced weight).

 

[9secondko]

hahah omg 500hp lmao ford would not be dumb enough to let this car get close to a gt350 i mean come on. they will do 455 or 460 to simply beat the cameras numbers. some people are living on a prayer with there hopes lmao

Where are you getting 500?

455 is the conservative guess, whereas 475 is the logical one. Still going with the math on the dash cluster promo as my inspiration...

This isn't just the same Coyote with DI added.

It's a more refined version of DI with enhanced engine components.

You are also assuming the 350 sees no improvements.

While it's possible, I would imagine that the injection tech makes it over to the 350 without too much development overhead.

If Ford did so, we'd be looking at a 570 hp or so engine (which would be crazy. And also very cool).

But even if the 350 sees no improvements, 526 is plenty better than 475.

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