2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[Epiphany]

That was low? But, basically saying the GT350 crowd is a bunch of whiny spoiled rich bitches compared to the regular "Mustang" crowd isn't? Give me a break.

Yes - low. He said what he said, not what you say he "basically" said, up above.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You may not agree with his just as he may not agree with yours. That is all.

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[Minn19]

I am not allowed to ask or answer questions because it is "talking down"? I understand you are frustrated with your experience but through this thread I have offered information and suggestions. Several people have reached out to us based off of the information we provided. I apologize if by trying to understand what your expectations are offended you. I have tried to answer the warranty questions several different ways so the owners who have to go through this understand how this works. Everything I sell basically has the potential to void a warranty so we attempt to educate consumers on how the process works so they are armed with knowledge to protect themselves from Service Writer who is too lazy to pursue the proper channels. And now I pre-apologize to any good Service Writers out there.

I never said you weren't allowed. In fact said you can do whatever you want to do. I tried to explain how your comments can look like they are talking down and are demeaning to some here.

You continue to ignore many legitimate points that have been brought up here and now how your comments are viewed by some of us. IMO of course.

Spell it out for me. What exactly were you saying about how the GT350 crowd reacts to problems versus the regular Mustang crowd? It looked pretty loud and clear to me and I didn't appreciate it. Maybe I missed what you meant, but I don't think so.

 

[Minn19]

Yes - low. He said what he said, not what you say he "basically" said, up above.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You may not agree with his just as he may not agree with yours. That is all.

Will maybe not, I guess I'm not entitled to my opinion because you think like him.

I didn't call out an entire section of owners for being a certain way. I'll let him explain what he really meant, but it seemed very clear to me.

Keep those rose colored glasses on.

 

[Optimum Performance]

That was low? But, basically saying the GT350 crowd is a bunch of whiny spoiled rich bitches compared to the regular "Mustang" crowd isn't? Give me a break.

Edit: Here was his post. And that's what I got out of it any way as did at least one other poster.

Exactly. It amazes me how different the profile of Mustang owners are between the Shelby and regular Mustangs. Guys with GT's get an axle over temp warning 3 laps into a track session and work as a community to discuss a solution. They dont carry on about how Ford did them wrong. Shelby owners (except a few) fight and bicker about it while many solutions exist, have been offered up (in extreme detail) on this Forum by several members but this thread just goes on and on and on. I do not understand the disconnect with reality. Reading this makes it appear that every Tech Pack owner bought a car that does not function and sits in a garage unable to be driven.

Jason,

Is anything inaccurate?

 

[VOODOO 6G]

I am not allowed to ask or answer questions because it is "talking down"? I understand you are frustrated with your experience but through this thread I have offered information and suggestions. Several people have reached out to us based off of the information we provided. I apologize if by trying to understand what your expectations are offended you. I have tried to answer the warranty questions several different ways so the owners who have to go through this understand how this works. Everything I sell basically has the potential to void a warranty so we attempt to educate consumers on how the process works so they are armed with knowledge to protect themselves from Service Writer who is too lazy to pursue the proper channels. And now I pre-apologize to any good Service Writers out there.

Not to be a jerk or pile on, but it did look as if you were talking down to people who have legitimate concerns about these cars. Like I said before I've built a lot of hot rods and souped up every mustang I've ever owned so this one will end up being no different. The difference is I was under the impression that I was buying a car that was far superior to anything I've ever had. In my opinion it still is but I also feel the car should've never left ford the way that it did. If I had any inclination that the car had the shortcomings it does I would not of bought it. I would've bought a track Pack or possibly an R. I thought that I was buying a track capable car but with some technology features as well. I didn't know until after I bought the car and found this forum and specifically this thread, that there was even an issue. I still want to know why my car has the track option if it was never meant to be tracked? That setting should have been unavailable.

 

[Minn19]

Jason,

Is anything inaccurate?

I give you credit for at least owning up to it. As I said assumptions.

 

[lemers]

How many people that are posting in here actually don't even have an effected car?

 

[SchultzLT1]

That was low? But, basically saying the GT350 crowd is a bunch of whiny spoiled rich bitches compared to the regular "Mustang" crowd isn't? Give me a break

Woah woah woah. Strong set of words to stick in somebody's mouth. Where did rich and spoiled come from?

 

[Minn19]

Woah woah woah. Strong set of words to stick in somebody's mouth. Where did rich and spoiled come from?

Take a look at his last post and tell me he wasn't thinking along those lines.

 

[EFI]

They may not be able to turn the same lap times, but they are under the same stresses and can apparently handle it.

You don't seem to understand how basic physics work. Just because a car is going down the same path (eg. road or track) does not mean it's under the same stress as another car.

A 200hp BRZ barreling down a straight at WOT is not anywhere near under the same stress as a 525hp GT350 going WOT down the same straight. Not only will the GT350 achieve much higher speeds than the BRZ, but an engine with more than twice the amount of power will put a helluva lot more stress on its internals, transmission and drivetrain than the other.

So no, other "lesser" cars do not have the same stresses. That's why they are "lesser" cars, because they offer less performance and thus less stress on parts and may not need cooling like a powerful car.

Just for kicks, take a look at the amount of coolers and engineering it takes to properly cooldown a 1000hp Veyron. Why do you think that's the case? Because it has more power and thus its parts are under much more stress than a 200hp BRZ.

 

[Minn19]

You don't seem to understand how basic physics work. Just because a car is going down the same path (eg. road or track) does not mean it's under the same stress as another car.

A 200hp BRZ barreling down a straight at WOT is not anywhere near under the same stress as a 525hp GT350 going WOT down the same straight. Not only will the GT350 achieve much higher speeds than the BRZ, but an engine with more than twice the amount of power will put a helluva lot more stress on its internals, transmission and drivetrain than the other.

So no, other "lesser" cars do not have the same stresses. That's why they are "lesser" cars, because they offer less performance and thus less stress on parts and may not need cooling like a powerful car.

Just for kicks, take a look at the amount of coolers and engineering it takes to properly cooldown a 1000hp Veyron. Why do you think that's the case? Because it has more power and thus its parts are under much more stress than a 200hp BRZ.

Yup, you got me, I'm no physics expert. But just because the mass of something is different doesn't mean they are under different stresses. They all get hot in the same places and some were engineered to take it better.

How can nearly two decade old E36 BMWs (not even M versions) and others like it, with stock transmissions in my BMW club handle a 20-30 minute session, but a brand new Tech GT350 can't? And trust me, most of those guys will beat me around a track due to my experience level. It doesn't let Ford off of the hook for such an engineering failure.

 

[SchultzLT1]

Take a look at his last post and tell me he wasn't thinking along those lines.

No, I still don't get rich or spoiled. Maybe whiny, which some have definitely been, but like you said. Agree to disagree.

 

[Minn19]

No, I still don't get rich or spoiled. Maybe whiny, which some have definitely been, but like you said. Agree to disagree.

Well he read it and had a chance to deny or explain it and.........

 

[firestarter2]

So whiny...

 

[EFI]

How can nearly two decade old E36 BMWs (not even M versions) and others like it, with stock transmissions in my BMW club handle a 20-30 minute session, but a brand new Tech GT350 can't?

Read again what I said.

A 190hp E36 is going to put significantly less stress on its engine, transmission and rear end compared to a 526hp GT350. That's why the fluids in those 3 components won't get as high as needing to go into a limp mode. But the fluids in a car with almost 3x as much power will get hotter and thus go into limp mode.

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