Begin of the End?

[Spider]

True is my only goal was to go fast, I could of got a very nice GTR for 40k, which will absolutely destroy a Mustang at anything statistically or performance wise.

But oh wait I did not buy a GTR, I got a Mustang, its not all about figures and electric, batteries do absolute diddly squat for me.

Manders should of got the V8, he'd not be dreaming of electric power then. ;)

I'm of that age where power was gained by messing with the oily bits ;) Fitting a high lift cam, gas flowing the head, rejetting the carb all through a straight cut box. Not enough oomph? Add more cc's. I even baulked when fuel injection came commonplace. No more twiddling all computers :doh: but that's my age. I can see the benefit of a turbo/supercharger with all that shove mid range/low down though.

But what do you do with an electric car - add more batteries :shrug:

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[5.0 Probie]

I can care less how my vehicles are powered (Of course in a safe manner). As long as they perform like they do now or better, I will buy them.

The problem with electric is we become even more dependent on the power companies! There are so many restrictions on solar from local "Beauty" codes to the amount of solar panels one needs to power a home and say two cars. It is nearly impossible to have enough panels to produce the power needed.

A friend of mine dropped $125,000 ten years ago and it took 1/4 of an acre in space, just to power his home and charge one car. And for a while, he was selling any excess power to the power company. Now they charge him to give them power.

Until the solar panel suppliers get off their butts and produce the product we truly need, I am sitting on the sidelines. The majority of what they offer now is 30 year old tech.

I do not want to become "Monopolized" by the power company. I would LOVE to be self sufficient in a true manner when it comes to power.

 

[Manders Mustang]

True is my only goal was to go fast, I could of got a very nice GTR for 40k, which will absolutely destroy a Mustang at anything statistically or performance wise.

But oh wait I did not buy a GTR, I got a Mustang, its not all about figures and electric, batteries do absolute diddly squat for me.

Manders should of got the V8, he'd not be dreaming of electric power then. ;)

Funnily enough, I also got offered a GTR, and an R8 for around the same price (40-43k, a bit up on the eco).

But correct, I did buy a Mustang as it is my dream car - and still is.

All I'm stating is, that, electric cars, have a lot of potential to be something incredible on the track, and on the streets, I'm no tree hugger by any means - just playing devils advocate. :lol:

 

[HoosierDaddy]

@Gibbo205 fair point, expected an electric to hold up better on the track with consistent power being put down from the second you hit the peddle.

Wasn't saying you'd like one in the slightest :lol:

I'm kind of shocked the Tesla did that bad, but hey ho!

Don't be shocked. In addition to the performance killing weight, the power isn't consistent. Current batteries overheat almost immediately at max load. Since nobody wants to be inside a rolling Galaxy 7 and car makers don't want to replace cars for owners who survive incineration, electric cars protect themselves by limiting full power to very short periods. So, yeah the Model S P85D can hit 60 MPH in the low 3 seconds but it shuts down very soon after that and even a V6 Mustang is a full 5 seconds faster around VIR. From a performance perspective, electric is a lot like NAWS ;) For short bursts only.

 

[Manders Mustang]

Don't be shocked. In addition to the performance killing weight, the power isn't consistent. Current batteries overheat almost immediately at max load. Since nobody wants to be inside a rolling Galaxy 7 and car makers don't want to replace cars for owners who survive incineration, electric cars protect themselves by limiting full power to very short periods. So, yeah the Model S P85D can hit 60 MPH in the low 3 seconds but it shuts down very soon after that and even a V6 Mustang is a full 5 seconds faster around VIR. From a performance perspective, electric is a lot like NAWS ;) For short bursts only.

Fair point. But in 14 years? bearing in mind batteries in performance cars is very much a 'this side of 2010' thing, it'll be interesting to see how they come along. Rimacs car after racing vs the 918 in the video above, was fine, the 918?? Overheated. :lol:

Equally, petrol car engines overheat too . Just not as quick.

 

[willisit]

Battery technology has hardly changed in decades - why is 14 years going to make a big difference? I don't see that happening in a cost effective manner. Not that quickly, not for us plebs.

Manders - when you were offered the GTR/R8 - did you check insurance? Was it close to the Mustang? For me as an old(er) chap, there is about £1000 difference!

 

[benanderson89]

Its ideological and has no bearing on reality.

Will electric be the future? Yes. By 2030? Absolutely not. Europe at large still relies on power stations running on fossil fuels, and millions of cars charging at 6pm after rush hour will be such a huge strain on the electrical network that it'll basically collapse whilst also pushing out tonne after tonne of toxic gas.

That and Lithium batteries are grossly inefficient. Batteries + Motors in a 400hp Tesla take up about 5x more cubic area than the gas tank + V8 in the Mustang and achieve about the same range on a full "tank" - 220 miles.

Lithium batteries are also pretty much at their limit (even Elon Musk admitted this). They overheat very easily and, if something does go wrong, are far more violent than a traditional engine going up in flames. When they need replacing they cost thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) and have a massively reduced lifespan compared to a traditional engine.

Plus, anyone seen the production process for Lithium batteries? They're only in the ballpark of 60% recyclable and the kinds of chemicals you need to make them in the first place are quite scary. Toyta and Tesla can rant and rave about low CO2 emissions from battery production all they want - at the end of the day that's not actually the problem.

The reason for such high air pollution in Europe is because we use Diesel engines. A congested city in America doesn't seem to have the problems we have because, despite all the V6 and V8 engines, they're all Petrol powered.

A Euro6 4-pot sub 200hp diesel releases about 3x to 4x more toxic emissions and particulates than our 5.0L V8 petrol coyotes. If the EU really wanted to reduce emissions, they'd do the realistic thing and ban diesel cars by 2020, as well as back Norway in their production of a new Blue Crude plant, the fuel from which can go into a normal unmodified car and reduce its emissions by up to 85%.

Electric cars will be the future - but we need the electrical infrastructure and the battery technology first. Once Graphene batteries become a thing, which have a massive range and charge in seconds, THEN we can start phasing out Petrol engines.

Until then, I'm staying away from Lithium powered cars when you still need a literal hazmat suit to stand next to the chemicals that make the batteries.

 

[Gibbo205]

Fair point. But in 14 years? bearing in mind batteries in performance cars is very much a 'this side of 2010' thing, it'll be interesting to see how they come along. Rimacs car after racing vs the 918 in the video above, was fine, the 918?? Overheated. :lol:

Equally, petrol car engines overheat too . Just not as quick.

FFS man stop worrying about what will happen in 14 years time, jesus holy christ, you might get ran over by a bus tomorrow.

Enjoy life for what it is now, I have no interest in what cars will be doing in 14 years time, if I am still around by then my idea of the ideal car could be totally different from what my ideal car is now, our ideas, our plans change with time and shit happens.

If in 14 years I want a big dirty V8 and I can still buy fuel for it but they no longer exist I will just buy an older car.

New car things is a pain anyway, they just fucking break all the time.

 

[kwpony]

Let's be honest, and no offence to any German contributors to this forum, their judgement of recent in many matters has not exactly been on the mark!

you got that right. :headbonk:

 

[Jimboy2]

The Americans use Diesal the correct way!

 

[Manders Mustang]

FFS man stop worrying about what will happen in 14 years time, jesus holy christ, you might get ran over by a bus tomorrow.

Enjoy life for what it is now, I have no interest in what cars will be doing in 14 years time, if I am still around by then my idea of the ideal car could be totally different from what my ideal car is now, our ideas, our plans change with time and shit happens.

If in 14 years I want a big dirty V8 and I can still buy fuel for it but they no longer exist I will just buy an older car.

New car things is a pain anyway, they just fucking break all the time.

Which is why i've already 'bought a stang rather than saving it like every numpty around says to do .

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