2015-17 Mustang GT Ford Performance Power Packs

[Mustang_Lou]

So, I ordered the PP1 from Levittown Ford. Anyone know of a reputable place in Northern New Jersey that will install?
Thank you.

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[Souldriver]

So, I ordered the PP1 from Levittown Ford. Anyone know of a reputable place in Northern New Jersey that will install?
Thank you.

Do you really need someone to install the stage one? The airfilter is not hard to change but is the procal tool not intuitive?

 

[Derek@Lethal]

Do you really need someone to install the stage one? The airfilter is not hard to change but is the procal tool not intuitive?

Anyone can do the install of a stage 1 but you will not retain your powertrain warranty unless you have it installed by a Ford dealer.

 

[mikeyjobu]

Do you really need someone to install the stage one? The airfilter is not hard to change but is the procal tool not intuitive?

To maintain the remainder of the factory warranty, you have to have a professional shop meeting the criteria prescribed in the warranty.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Yes, I know the no-tune but still... $800 just to have someone else's intake instead of a tested Stage 2 Package. Not making sense to me.

To be fair it's plenty tested dyno and tack times via members here.

I have to see one person say it doesnt make good power/better times by the numbers they get.

And just remember the Ford numbers are likely at the crank not the wheels, so 21hp is likely more like 17hp in realty at the wheels (without considering under the curve at all just peak). The PMAS is right around 15hp average people are getting, so not a ton difference for a lot more money.

That is really the argument.

 

[Kong76]

To be fair it's plenty tested dyno and tack times via members here.

I have to see one person say it doesnt make good power/better times by the numbers they get.

And just remember the Ford numbers are likely at the crank not the wheels, so 21hp is likely more like 17hp in realty at the wheels (without considering under the curve at all just peak). The PMAS is right around 15hp average people are getting, so not a ton difference for a lot more money.

That is really the argument.

Now combine that pmas unit 15whp ontop of PP1 crank 13 hp ( maybe 8 whp) and you have 23whp for around the same price maybe cheaper than the PP2 package which like you stated is really 17whp. That is why people are thinking of going this route. Just Keep the stock box in the garage for what ifs.

 

[BiloxiFun]

Now combine that pmas unit 15whp ontop of PP1 crank 13 hp ( maybe 8 whp) and you have 23whp for around the same price maybe cheaper than the PP2 package which like you stated is really 17whp. That is why people are thinking of going this route. Just Keep the stock box in the garage for what ifs.

What is a PMAS? So many acronyms.

Edit: Found my answer.

 

[mikeyjobu]

In many instances -- if not most -- things don't add up that way. These kits are engineered to work together. I am pretty sure that at least the option with the manifold included -- due out in October -- has a different tune in order to tie it all together. It seems like each of these packs has a different tune. I don't think you can assume that a no-tune-required, non-Ford CAI will respond the same way with a Ford tune, or that the tune will respond the same, or that you can just add the assumed gains from either and expect it to be "the same" as an engineered and tested pack. I'm not saying there's no added value, but it's really hard to tell without back to back dyno testing, and long term tests.

 

[Blk2015GT]

In many instances -- if not most -- things don't add up that way. These kits are engineered to work together. I am pretty sure that at least the option with the manifold included -- due out in October -- has a different tune in order to tie it all together. It seems like each of these packs has a different tune. I don't think you can assume that a no-tune-required, non-Ford CAI will respond the same way with a Ford tune, or that the tune will respond the same, or that you can just add the assumed gains from either and expect it to be "the same" as an engineered and tested pack. I'm not saying there's no added value, but it's really hard to tell without back to back dyno testing, and long term tests.

It's totally different than a tune as a tune can adjust throttle sensitivity, shift points etc.

For people who just want the power though, a no-tune CAI Like the PMAS is not a bad route for $400 or so and you get nearly the same increases.

The issue isn't the cost of the pack, the Stage 2 is $795-800; but you need it installed be a dealership our ASE mechanic. So expect install cost on top of that price. And expect a dealership to buttrape you $200-300 to install a whopping GT350 CAI and a tune.

Then you're at well over double the cost of the CAI that you can bolt on yourself and not mess with the warranty either for the same 15-17hp to the wheels from both.

For some people cost is a limiter, especially when you're talking nearing $1000 installed to get just a few hp and ft lbs. We're not talking a $50 difference here; more like $500-600 difference.

 

[wildcatgoal]

ASE mechanic said he'd charge me .5 hour labor full install w/the tune. Local dealership I called said 1-hour. Speaking of the stage 2 here, which they can't even get me yet. Said it'd take the guy like 30-min. tops to do the hardware and then he can handle the software after that and if it's like other tunes from Ford the process will not be intuitive but doable without looking dead eyes at the computer the whole time so mechanic can go about life. Plus, let's be honest, the dealer is going to have a porter or some newb do the tune and probably the intake/TB... almost as easy as an oil change. Doesn't hurt to call a a few service writers who will talk to a shop foreman and you may be the first one to get the package and they might offer a little deal to get their guy's trained if you ask. Worst they can say is something you don't agree to... and you move on.

 

[wildcatgoal]

What I'd like to know is why Ford felt it necessary to use a 87mm TB with the Stage 2. Why can the PMAS magically get these numbers folks are advocating here with the stock TB and Ford can't with the intake it supplies or some other intake it designs with increased flow capability. Yes, I know that the PMAS flows more air. But if an 87mm TB is installed, allowing more air in from whatever it is attached to for an intake, why do I not see people installing an 87mm TB, slapping that up to a PMAS, and getting a tune for more or less $900 and taking the cake (in theory)? Makes me wonder how effective any CAI is without a tune. And if the dyno numbers provided by CAIs are after the ECU adjusts to the common increase in air flow. I remember a test with a previous car that showed that after like 50 miles a CAI did nothing without a tune because the computer adjusted to bring the car back to its nominal mapping. I don't know if the Mustang does this same thing but seems all dynos are done like right after the CAI is installed... maybe I missed some that aren't.

So much mystery behind these Ford tunes for little reason, haha. They had to have dyno'd the thing to test it. So show the results.

 

[millhouse]

I just noticed a yahoo article talking about the power packs.

Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/talked-ford-36k-495-hp-173000862.html

 

[Souldriver]

Anyone can do the install of a stage 1 but you will not retain your powertrain warranty unless you have it installed by a Ford dealer.

I figured it was a waranty thing. Can i just buy them lunch and have them write off that they did it as i just do it myself? Personally i would be ok up until the stage 2, the stage 3 IM would bey cut off.

 

[ChitownStang]

That's what I did at my local service station, $20 lunch for a recipes from a ASE certified mech. I wanted the tune on my laptop. I had 4 calls with ford performance to work out the bugs. I would of been at a dealership all day or multiple trips and paid 7 times more!

 

[mikeyjobu]

I just noticed a yahoo article talking about the power packs.

Enjoy!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/talked-ford-36k-495-hp-173000862.html

Nice find! Thanks for sharing - now we know they all give us a bump to a 7500rpm fuel cutoff.

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