Mustang Camaro Challanger Article

[timd38]

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Thanks! Can't fix stupid!

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[Stroked84]

I'm sorry, but these sales discussions really make me laugh. Who cares which car is selling better than the other? Were unit sales numbers a factor when you were in the market for a new car? They weren't for me, the performance numbers were. Would it be good for Mustang Guy if GM killed off the Camaro again? I doubt it.

While I'm perfectly happy with my 15 GT I have no brand loyalty and I am considering a 17 SS. The performance is incredible, the light weight platform is impressive, and I'm not trying to (ridiculously) haul a family of four around in a sports car. If the 18 GT refresh is still getting its ass handed to it I will be jumping ship for a better performing performance car. If the refresh leap frogs the SS, then Ford would earn my money again.

The funny thing with the sticker price argument is I can lease a $42k SS for less than my $32k base GT and the SS leases aren't that great right now.

 

[Jdenkevitz]

I found the Camaro drove well, but really disliked the interior styling and visibility. I thought the modest performance advantage was not nearly enough to justify the extra cost and offset the inferior external and internal styling and poor visibility. The price of entry out the door for a 1ss is at least 5k more. Honestly even if they were the same price I probably would have chosen the Mustang.

 

[Mr Snappy]

I think Camaro killed themselves on price. People were willing to put up with the visibility and trunk when it was cheaper, but now with less space AND higher cost they pushed out people who might have considered them. They should have updated the styling too.

This.

I have been a Corvette guy (2003, 2005, 2014 Stingray) and currently own a new Tahoe. I got rid of the Stingray and bought my son a 2011 Mustang Vert and started looking at Mustangs for myself for the first time in 20 years.

I held off buying because I wanted to wait until the new Camaro SS-Verts came out.

I decided to buy a 2016 GT Vert last week because of a number of things, but primarily it was the price. For a comparable SS-Vert, the price around $10,000 more for the Camaro when you compare sticker to sticker. THEN, they took $5,000 off the mustang AND gave me 72 at 0%. So that's around $20,000 difference when all is said and done.

The Camaro may be 5% better on the track, but I don't need a track car (Neither does 99% of the buyers of these cars).

GM made alot of dumb moves with this car....and the sales numbers prove it.

 

[timd38]

I'm sorry, but these sales discussions really make me laugh. Who cares which car is selling better than the other? Were unit sales numbers a factor when you were in the market for a new car?

Cars that typically more popular new are worth more used. Since you lease, it doesn't matter.

 

[Coolmanfoo]

I might be totally alone in this argument but I feel the Camaro has no soul. It's not a camaro, it's a Cadillac chassis with a corvette engine with some (awful) Camara sheat metal.

Then you have the Mustang gt and it feels so special to me. The special built 5.0 engine that is full of history and I'd plenty capable. Hell the Mustang even has a purpose built chassis.

Idk I guess it might not matter but I'd rather drive a purpose built car instead one that'says frakenstiened from other great cars

 

[Cardude99]

Having owned a 2014 camaro, wife currently owns a 2015 challenger I can say blind spots are not helping those two sales. The visibility in the mustang is light years better. Also I think the camaro SS needs a cheaper starting price.

I agree the blind spot in my challenger sucks, solution back into parking spots lol.

 

[timd38]

I might be totally alone in this argument but I feel the Camaro has no soul. It's not a camaro, it's a Cadillac chassis with a corvette engine with some (awful) Camara sheat metal.

Then you have the Mustang gt and it feels so special to me. The special built 5.0 engine that is full of history and I'd plenty capable. Hell the Mustang even has a purpose built chassis.

Idk I guess it might not matter but I'd rather drive a purpose built car instead one that'says frakenstiened from other great cars

The Mustang has far more in common with the Fusion than you think. Ya, I said the same thing, one is front drive the other is rear, but trust me, they have a great deal in common, hence they are built in the same plant.

One of our engineers use to go to that plant weekly.

 

[TexArmageddon]

I'm sorry, but these sales discussions really make me laugh. Who cares which car is selling better than the other? Were unit sales numbers a factor when you were in the market for a new car? They weren't for me, the performance numbers were. Would it be good for Mustang Guy if GM killed off the Camaro again? I doubt it.

While I'm perfectly happy with my 15 GT I have no brand loyalty and I am considering a 17 SS. The performance is incredible, the light weight platform is impressive, and I'm not trying to (ridiculously) haul a family of four around in a sports car. If the 18 GT refresh is still getting its ass handed to it I will be jumping ship for a better performing performance car. If the refresh leap frogs the SS, then Ford would earn my money again.

The funny thing with the sticker price argument is I can lease a $42k SS for less than my $32k base GT and the SS leases aren't that great right now.

I bought my car due to sales in I didn't really care much about performance when I downgraded to this segment. If I were looking for performance I would have stayed In my C6 and traded for a C7 possibly. The Mustang was just an easier to live with performance car and increased sales only helps that.

For 42k I'll skip the rear seats, the extra 500lbs, and take my chances with dropping a valve and buy a C6 Z06 or Zr1. :tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk:

 

[Coolmanfoo]

The Mustang has far more in common with the Fusion than you think. Ya, I said the same thing, one is front drive the other is rear, but trust me, they have a great deal in common, hence they are built in the same plant.

One of our engineers use to go to that plant weekly.

I'm sure that's plenty true and I don't doubt you at all. Especially when it comes to the interior materials and everything. But the main components of the Mustang (except transmission sometimes) are unique to it

 

[timd38]

I bought my car due to sales in I didn't really care much about performance when I downgraded to this segment. If I were looking for performance I would have stayed In my C6 and traded for a C7 possibly. The Mustang was just an easier to live with performance car and increased sales only helps that.

For 42k I'll skip the rear seats, the extra 500lbs, and take my chances with dropping a valve and buy a C6 Z06 or Zr1. :tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk:

I have one of each and like them both. Ford guys don't get why I have a Chevy and Chevy guys don't get why I have a Ford. My C6 is getting old, but I will most likely never sell it or the Mustang. Just bought a car condo so I have a place to keep them. I like to buy them new and keep them, but you can't always do that.

Mid 50's pickup is next. Can't decide on a Ford or a Chevy........

 

[Coolmanfoo]

I have one of each and like them both. Ford guys don't get why I have a Chevy and Chevy guys don't get why I have a Ford. My C6 is getting old, but I will most likely never sell it or the Mustang. Just bought a car condo so I have a place to keep them. I like to buy them new and keep them, but you can't always do that.

Mid 50's pickup is next. Can't decide on a Ford or a Chevy........

Yeah but to be honest you have the best products both companies offer. I'd love a corvette, would take one in a heart beat. But I'm never giving up my Mustang. I'm not biased against Chevy just the Camaro and that's purely because of its styling. And for rivalry sake haha

Enjoy the cars!

 

[WarrENDeatH]

Like everyone has already stated...the Camaro pricing is ridiculous. Sure, you're getting a lot in terms of pure performance, and I won't argue that.

That being said, I'm going online everywhere and finding SS' in the realm of C7 prices...which just feels ridiculous. Sure, they do use the same engine but it shouldn't come close to 50k.

 

[TexArmageddon]

I have one of each and like them both. Ford guys don't get why I have a Chevy and Chevy guys don't get why I have a Ford. My C6 is getting old, but I will most likely never sell it or the Mustang. Just bought a car condo so I have a place to keep them. I like to buy them new and keep them, but you can't always do that.

Mid 50's pickup is next. Can't decide on a Ford or a Chevy........

No worries I completely understand why you have them both... I plan to get another vette and I'll have both a stang and vette in my driveway

 

[EcoVert]

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Now the Camaro Is Getting Trounced by the Mustang and Beaten by Challenger, Too

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...rounced-ford-mustang-beaten-dodge-challenger/

U.S. sales of America’s three pony-muscle car coupes slid 2 percent in July 2016 despite meaningful gains from both the Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger.

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Cast it all in the direction of the Chevrolet Camaro, sales of which plunged 26 percent, a loss of nearly 2,000 sales for Chevrolet dealers compared with July 2015.
Camaro sales declined in 7 of the last 12 months, diving by 9,517 units during a span of three consecutive year-over-year decreases between May and July. After the Camaro outsold the Ford Mustang in five consecutive years, it now appears certain that 2016 will be the second consecutive year in which the Mustang easily outsells the Chevrolet Camaro.
One might even say the Mustang is going to win, “by a lot.”

I find it interesting that in the article by truth about cars the say "GM has pointed to the camaros fleet de-emphasis" but also says " Fords U.S. retail mustang volume is still higher" This mean even without fleet sales the Mustang selling more cars than camaro

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