Tune+ GTX2867r Thread

[perfweld]

On low production runs, ill say 10 - 15 pieces, meaning 10 down pipes bend, 10 intakes bent, 10 hot side charge pipes bent, kits will be at a premiuim, so they will be priced high, these are low production runs. If a company has the equity they can opt to make large runs of the production parts to drop the price down, then drop the kit price down. but in reality, this kit probably wont be a huge seller, there are so many other turbo kit options, and bolt on turbos that im sure there were not a lot of production pieces bent on this kit, hence the higher price. Kit prices can be dropped tremendously by quantity increase, then in huge quantity's, they can be made over seas and really drop the price, but then the quality can go away. As everyone says, the price will go down on turbo kits, only because production runs will get bigger. Give it a year or two and more and more people will be buying kits. Bolt on turbo prices will come down as well as production runs increase. You want it now, your gonna pay more, its simple.

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[apx632]

Why is everyone calling 4,200 expensive? The only "kit" cheaper with a base price is Map's. And with options I'm already back up to Adam's kits base price because I would choose a ball bearing for better spool (personal choice). Every other kit starts at or higher than this kit does.

 

[Tune+]

https://www.maperformance.com/products/map-complete-t3-turbo-kit-mitsubishi-evo-8-9


http://www.cimotorsports.net/agp-50...n-srt-4.html?gclid=COWFj8-Oys0CFYVrfgodUPICDQ


http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo-kits/subaru-impreza-wrx-sti-t4-twinscoll-turbo-kit.html


Apparently if you want a quality for a good price just don't buy an ecoboost..... Or like others have stated just wait because I guarantee prices will eventually fall to the 2-3500 range in the next year or so.

Just like Brian states below the only kit you posted that was cheaper is the AGP. The EVO kit you posted is a much cheaper turbo as well the cheapest option for the MAP EVO kit is the Journal Bearing 5858, if you want to compare to the GTX you need to go for the Ball Bearing 5858 on that link, and still you are comparing a $1100 turbo (PTE) to a $1600 (GTX). Also, EVO flanges can be had for VERY cheap even in stainless, the Ecoboost Mustang flange cannot be and it has to be CNC machined in house instead of oursourced. Plus, look at how much bigger the Ecoboost Mustang downpipe and intake is.

The only cheap kit you listed is the one for the Neon...from ci. The full race kit for the Subie is 5k with the turbo and the MAP kit for the Evo 8 and 9 is almost 4k with the smallest turbo option....From all the ecoboost turbo kits out right now the manifold, downpipe, intake, charge pipes and everything else that comes with them not including the turbo is somewhere around 3k..It ALL depends on what turbo you want to go with.

Exactly

Why is everyone calling 4,200 expensive? The only "kit" cheaper with a base price is Map's. And with options I'm already back up to Adam's kits base price because I would choose a ball bearing for better spool (personal choice). Every other kit starts at or higher than this kit does.

Exactly, anything less than the GTX2867R as far as price isn't a performer.

 

[Slow89]

And just to clarify srt-4 guys have gone 10s on ago kits and I personally know people who have ran their kits for over 50k miles with ZERO issues

 

[Slow89]

Also those kits are comin with a downpipe.... And if anyone is looking for a cheap costing turbo that performs like the top of the line you can always look at master powers. We have been running those for years over at yellowbullet and turbomustang forum. Again give it time and these kit prices will drop. Just like anything else with these cars

 

[Slow89]

and in all honesty for the price these numbers aren't all that impressive.... Shit I think the Vargas stage 2 would give it a run for its money for half the price lol

 

[perfweld]

and in all honesty for the price these numbers aren't all that impressive.... Shit I think the Vargas stage 2 would give it a run for its money for half the price lol

It absolutely would, then roll into the dealer for service, and go straight thru smog. But, no one will ever " race " with this kit, so no one will ever learn otherwise. Bolt on Stock appearing Turbos are gonna be the wave of the future, look at what Forced Performance has done with the DSM and the EVOs.

 

[Tune+]

Not that any of this matters anyways, if you can't afford the turbo kit this thread is about. Then you can't afford any turbo kit for this vehicle. It is smack dab in the middle. As quality varies so will price, this is the same for any vehicle platform.

 

[Tune+]

It absolutely would, then roll into the dealer for service, and go straight thru smog. But, no one will ever " race " with this kit, so no one will ever learn otherwise. Bolt on Stock appearing Turbos are gonna be the wave of the future, look at what Forced Performance has done with the DSM and the EVOs.

Absolutely, look what they have done. They have shifted all their focus on XONA their other company because it makes more sense. Stock frame turbos are a huge headache and a reliability because you are looking for huge performance in a set of restrictions. If your turbo fails there is a high likelihood of it taking out the engine as well. This is why they have a large list of STRICT procedures to follow as a customer.

http://www.xonarotor.com/

Forced Performance made some cool shit over the years, and I was lucky enough to use a lot of their products. However they did have their issues, which you can look up on the forums, it is no secret. Same goes for basically any stock frame turbo upgrade. Not until recently did they start getting better when they raised their prices up from 1500 to 2500-3,000 and re-casted ALL pieces to allow them to perform as they should. If you look at the latest EVO products from FP you will see that it requires a custom intake and custom downpipe. At that point, you might as well get a full turbo kit.

 

[BOOSTED-SVO]

If that is expensive then a quality kit is not for you. Just as PerfWeld broke down above you aren't just paying for a turbo here, it requires all new pieces in order for it to fit.

External Wasetgate could be changed out and will be in the future if testing goes smooth but External wastegate will always be the best way to control boost.

So, here is the break down. You tell me where you can cut some corners to make the kit cheaper. We will start and getting the turbo on the car, then from intake to exhaust.

• Manifold - this isn't just two flanges with some pipe in between it has be be provisioned for a external wastegate flange. It also features a 3D contoured flange on the head side, not just an outline of the flange. It's properly designed.
  
• Hardware for manifold
  
• 3.5" Stainless Steel (304SS) Intake
  
• CNC Machined bung for intake sensor (not an off the shelf bung)
  
• CNC Machined bung for valve cover vent (not an off the shelf bung)
  
• 9" K&N Filter
  
• 3.5" 90° Coupler for intake
  
• x 2 3.5" Clamps for intake coupler
  
• Stainless 4-bolt Flange
  
• 3" Mandrel bent 304SS Downpipe
  
• O2 Sensor bung - Primary
  
• J-style O2 Sensor bung - Secondary
  
• V-band flanges
  
• V-band Clamp
  
• Conical Reducer - If being connected to factory style catback
  
• Garrett GTX2867R Turbocharger
  
• ATP Turbine Housing (Not included with turbocharger)
  
• Oil Feed Line Restrictor Fitting
  
• CNC Machined -10an Oil Drain Flange
  
• CNC Machined -10an Oil Drain Flange - Block Side
  
• 2 x -10 AN Fittings
  
• -10 Hose
  
• -4an Feed Line
  
• -4an to Metric Oil Feed line adapter banjo and bolt - block side
  
• x 2 3/8 Barbed Stainless Coolant Adapter fittings - Turbo
  
• 3/8 Coolant Hose
  
• x 1 3/8 Barbed Stainless Coolant Adapter fitting - Block
  
• 2" to 2.5" 90° coupler (Turbo)
  
• 1 x 2" T-bolt Clamp
  
• 3 x 2.5" T-bolt Clamp
  
• 2.5" Hump Coupler (Intercooler)
  
• 2.5" Mandrel Bent Stainless Steel Hot Side Charge Pipe
  
• Turbosmart Stainless Steel BOV Flange
  
• Turbosmart SmartPort BOV
  
• Vacuum Hose
  
• Vacuum Tee
  
• Now that you have all the materials you have to factor in the following:
  
• R&D for both fabrication and machining
  
• R&D for tuning and testing
  
• Fabrication Labor Hours
  
• Fabrication shop supplies (Argon, Helium, Filler Rod, Cut Off Wheels, Grinding Wheels, Sanding and Grinding Disc 3", Flat Sanding Disk 14", Flat Sanding Belts, Hole Saws, Abrasive pads , and cleaning solution for the final product)
  
• Packaging, and shipping.

All this compared to a off the shelf GTX turbo, a chinese casted adapter, and a poorly welded downpipe adapter that you would get for an ST.

If you want to compare Focus ST Turbo Upgrade prices to the GTX upgrade kit for the Mustang. You might want to look at the same style of kit. The kit below doesn't even include an intake, just a silicone adapter to hook up to your stock intake.

The way you broke it down adam it make much more sense. Thank you for the in depth info but no matter what or how is put $4250 will always be "too much" for some folks when there's options currently in work and buy now options such as vargas that will provide same, plenty and even more power goal for half the price.Please dont take my pov as a bash in no way please. I only say this because it's my personal thoughts and the reason why I drive a Mustang and not a GTR. Thanks again!:cheers:

 

[perfweld]

Absolutely, look what they have done. They have shifted all their focus on XONA their other company because it makes more sense. Stock frame turbos are a huge headache and a reliability because you are looking for huge performance in a set of restrictions. If your turbo fails there is a high likelihood of it taking out the engine as well. This is why they have a large list of STRICT procedures to follow as a customer.

http://www.xonarotor.com/

Forced Performance made some cool shit over the years, and I was lucky enough to use a lot of their products. However they did have their issues, which you can look up on the forums, it is no secret. Same goes for basically any stock frame turbo upgrade. Not until recently did they start getting better when they raised their prices up from 1500 to 2500-3,000 and re-casted ALL pieces to allow them to perform as they should. If you look at the latest EVO products from FP you will see that it requires a custom intake and custom downpipe. At that point, you might as well get a full turbo kit.

Nothing wrong with working with restriction, just gotta learn to overcome them. The Ecoboost Turbo in the stock frame has already proven to be capable of going fast, and the Stock Turbo has more than proven to be really fast, in UPRs case. No reason when building a 400 - 550 HP car to go full tilt Standard Rotation Big Turbo, unless you want that Big Turbo look.

I think its great that your offering a 400 to 450 HP turbo with a Big turbo look to customers, lots of people want to do a Turbo upgrade, but dont really want big turbo power, so this GTX kit is perfect for those people, and as I said before, I think your Kit is priced at fair market value, kudos to you on that. But I dont think you should discredit Stock Frame turbos or other vendors to sell your own kit, not good business like.

 

[Tune+]

The way you broke it down adam it make much more sense. Thank you for the in depth info but no matter what or how is put $4250 will always be "too much" for some folks when there's options currently in work and buy now options such as vargas that will provide same, plenty and even more power goal for half the price.Please dont take my pov as a bash in no way please. I only say this because it's my personal thoughts and the reason why I drive a Mustang and not a GTR. Thanks again!:cheers:

They do not perform the same, I promise you that. Remember, I am the one that did the initial tuning over the VS2 before release. Good option, but turbo kits are infinitely upgradable. Intake and Downpipe size will support up to 800whp and you can run any T3 framed turbo in it's place.

As time goes on, we will see how everything performs. This GTX kit only exist because it is the fastest spooling open scroll option available. If you want something that spools faster and can produce more power you have to jump up to the EFR kit.

 

[Tune+]

Nothing wrong with working with restriction, just gotta learn to overcome them. The Ecoboost Turbo in the stock frame has already proven to be capable of going fast, and the Stock Turbo has more than proven to be really fast, in UPRs case. No reason when building a 400 - 550 HP car to go full tilt Standard Rotation Big Turbo, unless you want that Big Turbo look.

I think its great that your offering a 400 to 450 HP turbo with a Big turbo look to customers, lots of people want to do a Turbo upgrade, but dont really want big turbo power, so this GTX kit is perfect for those people, and as I said before, I think your Kit is priced at fair market value, kudos to you on that. But I dont think you should discredit Stock Frame turbos or other vendors to sell your own kit, not good business like.

I'm not discrediting anything, I posted why something was cheaper simple as that. If you didn't know I am the one that did all the testing on the Vargas Stage 2 turbo so I have the most experience with it, I know what it is and what it is not. Good option if you want to save some money but it is not the best performing turbo by far, neither is the GTX kit.

As I just stated, this kit only exist because it is the fastest spooling open scroll turbo, it is between the PTE and EFR as price and as far as performance. This combination was requested by customers. Those customers that requested it also purchased it, and I decided to offer it incase others wanted it as well. If you noticed I never made a post about this turbo kit, someone else did. Someone else that had other turbo experience on their vehicle and wanted to talk about how much they liked the turbo kit. Within 2 months of it being on my site 5 kits have sold and those people are extremely happy. That is alright in my book!

I am in the middle of developing another complete turbo kit, using all new components which will be UNDER $3,500 and still include all the upgraded components people want. So keep an eye out for that.

 

[Moderator]

Enough of the off-topic. All further posts not related to Tune+ GTX2867r will be deleted. Let's get this thread back on track.

 

[chadhtx40]

Agree with the Red-Font Moderator. Let's keep this on track. I am actually considering this kit and Full-Race as I know I'll have the support behind it if I have questions installing it and also real world experience with tuning it. More likely I'll go Full-Race because of potential. I'm in Texas too just like Scott so it would be fun to give her a run against Scott in Full-Race setup down the road and compare some notes.

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