TTV6+AWD or FI-V8

[Hack]

You wanted to talk about an awd lemans car like it was some bench mark that rwd cant beat. :shrug: I named something thats rwd that rapes it to hell and back its now apples to oranges? Le mans and lmp1 runs slicks, they both are very light as well.

You said there's no competitive AWD in racing and I named two and you changed the subject.

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[FordBlueHeart]

Not sure why you are changing the subject here. I would like the car to be quick off the line in stock form. If you want a big HP RWD car modified to your specs you can easily make a regular GT into that car, which could conceivably walk any of the past GT500s with ease. There's always someone faster.

You're hilarious. Obviously you're view point is so narrowly focused you can't see the big picture. Who cares what you want out of a stock car? Your opinion is so minimal in numbers it doesn't matter except for the internet and magazine racers. You know, the people who will never use these cars for their true purpose. The guy who needs to win at the local Starbucks, not the racetrack where he would get smoked by anyone who is a better driver. You're "subject" that the rest of us "keep changing" is not what matters to the majority. For the bench racers, you win! Everywhere else, you're a loser.:headbonk:

 

[mustang_guy]

You said there's no competitive AWD in racing and I named two and you changed the subject.

Better go back and check that post you quoted. I didnt say awd isnt out there competing. I said awd is not superior to rwd. I obviously like awd, considering i have an sti and also owned multiple sti as daily drivers. However i know what it is and isnt as well.

 

[mustang_guy]

Im not sure why some people are arguing for awd in a 700-800hp car like it will help it. An awd car with that much power on summer tires will battle for traction on summer tires, as will rwd. So having it benefits nobody. It adds weight, complexity, higher price, and more breakable/serviceable parts. That is a big lose. You want traction, have less power or buy appropriate tires. Thats all there is to this.

 

[Hack]

You're hilarious. Obviously you're view point is so narrowly focused you can't see the big picture. Who cares what you want out of a stock car? Your opinion is so minimal in numbers it doesn't matter except for the internet and magazine racers. You know, the people who will never use these cars for their true purpose. The guy who needs to win at the local Starbucks, not the racetrack where he would get smoked by anyone who is a better driver. You're "subject" that the rest of us "keep changing" is not what matters to the majority. For the bench racers, you win! Everywhere else, you're a loser.:headbonk:

Quoted before the mod comes back in and deletes again. It always comes down to this.

How do you know who is in the majority?

Oh and by the way - you're is short for you are. If you aren't sure whether to use you're in a sentence, try saying you are instead in order to check. Quick grammar lesson for today.

 

[Hack]

Better go back and check that post you quoted. I didnt say awd isnt out there competing. I said awd is not superior to rwd. I obviously like awd, considering i have an sti and also owned multiple sti as daily drivers. However i know what it is and isnt as well.

If it isn't superior, why would the manufacturer spend more money to put it on the car? If it isn't superior (at least in some cases) why did the AWD car win the race?

Im not sure why some people are arguing for awd in a 700-800hp car like it will help it. An awd car with that much power on summer tires will battle for traction on summer tires, as will rwd. So having it benefits nobody. It adds weight, complexity, higher price, and more breakable/serviceable parts. That is a big lose. You want traction, have less power or buy appropriate tires. Thats all there is to this.

Buying tires immediately or neutering a new car are options. Not very good options IMO, but they are options.

 

[mustang_guy]

If it isn't superior, why would the manufacturer spend more money to put it on the car? If it isn't superior (at least in some cases) why did the AWD car win the race?



Buying tires immediately or neutering a new car are options. Not very good options IMO, but they are options.

Why do they make performance front wheel drive cars? Its just another way to do things different. Last time i checked the new type r civic is going to be handing some rwd cars its ass. Does that mean its better?

How many times are you going to make me explain that my sti has 650-725whp based on psi settings. Unless on hoosier or other brand slicks, i have no traction, 40 mph or dig on mpss in 265s. Its a small smoke show from a dig. So can you explain how an 800 crank hp v8tt or v6tt with more torque and about the same power is going to get traction? Yes im not stock but i put down roughly the same power. If i hit boost mid turn the ass end slides out, not hooking in the slightest. In the rain, hold on its looks like im drifting. Do you think an awd gt500 is going to be any better? Do any of you know anyone with a gtr? I do. Have any of you driven a stock or modded one? Stock tires and better tires? I have. Does anyone here have any experience with awd with the kind of power the next gt5500 will have

 

[9secondko]

I'm guessing it's working pretty well for a bugatti with over 1000 hp and AWD. So... Just stop. You're not making sense. You've fought the good fight. But you were on the wrong side. Just surrender or defect and keep your dignity.

 

[Viperbluecobra]

which would you rather have....

750 hp v8 with rwd or awd? I've owned a shelby with 600 rwhp, and it's pretty much usless with the factory goodyears it came with. Ended up having nitto drag radials on it all the time in order to enjoy the car without feeling like I was going to spin off the road. Even then it was a challenge at the track to run mid 11's with a high trap speed. Then once I put a slick on it broke the suspension arms. And replaced those with harder parts, the clutch burned up. New clutch and then broke a u-joint on the drive shaft and bought a new aluminum drive shaft.

So as much as some talk about AWD having (more components) issues, so does RWD once you add a slick tire to equal the same traction.

AWD is the best system in order to harness the power(600 hp plus) and be on real street performance tires. (not drag radials or slicks) How about that? I'm not saying it's the best racing platform in the world (as I don't know for sure and way too many variables, sanctions and rules).

 

[mustang_guy]

I'm guessing it's working pretty well for a bugatti with over 1000 hp and AWD. So... Just stop. You're not making sense. You've fought the good fight. But you were on the wrong side. Just surrender or defect and keep your dignity.

That isnt proof that im wrong. :lol:

It makes perfect sense. I have experience with this. So far ive seen no one else with any. Im not on the wrong side. My dignity isnt going anywhere.

 

[mustang_guy]

which would you rather have....

750 hp v8 with rwd or awd? I've owned a shelby with 600 rwhp, and it's pretty much usless with the factory goodyears it came with. Ended up having nitto drag radials on it all the time in order to enjoy the car without feeling like I was going to spin off the road. Even then it was a challenge at the track to run mid 11's with a high trap speed. Then once I put a slick on it broke the suspension arms. And replaced those with harder parts, the clutch burned up. New clutch and then broke a u-joint on the drive shaft and bought a new aluminum drive shaft.

So as much as some talk about AWD having (more components) issues, so does RWD once you add a slick tire to equal the same traction.

AWD is the best system in order to harness the power(600 hp plus) and be on real street performance tires. (not drag radials or slicks) How about that? I'm not saying it's the best racing platform in the world (as I don't know for sure and way too many variables, sanctions and rules).

What the hell were you doing to your shelby? I had an upgraded blower and slicks etc and never broke anything on my 14 shelby. I had no issues getting 1.7 and 1.8 60ft on stock tires when it was bone stock.

Drive an awd car with 650+whp and see how much you need non summer tires on the street or the track.

 

[Hack]

How many times are you going to make me explain that my sti has 650-725whp based on psi settings. Unless on hoosier or other brand slicks, i have no traction, 40 mph or dig on mpss in 265s. Its a small smoke show from a dig. So can you explain how an 800 crank hp v8tt or v6tt with more torque and about the same power is going to get traction?

Lots of questions in your post so I snipped it down just to the one you say that you are saying over and over again.

Here's my reply to this particular question. Take the STI with regular tires that makes a small smoke show from a dig.

Now - remove the front axle shafts.

Riddle me this - will it be faster with only the two tires pushing it rather than all four?

 

[FordBlueHeart]

Quoted before the mod comes back in and deletes again. It always comes down to this.

How do you know who is in the majority?

Oh and by the way - you're is short for you are. If you aren't sure whether to use you're in a sentence, try saying you are instead in order to check. Quick grammar lesson for today.

Thanks for giving me a "schoolin' " on grammar. Look back at my post and you will see I used it properly every single time, but once. Oooooooh you got me! Could it be that I'm posting with my smartphone and it corrected it without me seeing? Maybe, but I give, you win. Better stick to being the grammar police with your superior awd. You'll have a chance at winning once in awhile.
As far as majority goes, look at the poll in the beginning of the thread. The majority didn't want the the awd option. Haha! Yes it's an oddball majority I know, but even with a properly set up poll, I'm confident you're still in the minority. Especially if you're the one providing the argument for awd. :lol:
As far as my comment that you had to quote "before it got deleted ", don't get butt-hurt so quickly. You win in bench racing, but you're a loser anywhere else with your argument. Is that clear enough? One poster points out his experience with awd to back up his reasoning, you back your opinion with what?? Experience? Nope. Viper posts that he had a GT500 with 600hp and it broke stuff and therefore the foregone conclusion is that awd would have saved the day. Lol. I guess all GT500 owners who've modded to 600hp are breaking the same stuff too. Lol.
Sounds like the most important mod is still missing.

 

[Viperbluecobra]

What the hell were you doing to your shelby? I had an upgraded blower and slicks etc and never broke anything on my 14 shelby. I had no issues getting 1.7 and 1.8 60ft on stock tires when it was bone stock.

Drive an awd car with 650+whp and see how much you need non summer tires on the street or the track.

Nissan GT-R awd does pretty well with less hp and more weight.

And my 2015 rwd mustang..... Had to do steeda parts for wheel hop, replace rear axels and get drag radials to get a decent 60ft and no wheel hop. Rwd always needs assistance to get it right.

 

[FordBlueHeart]

Lots of questions in your post so I snipped it down just to the one you say that you are saying over and over again.

Here's my reply to this particular question. Take the STI with regular tires that makes a small smoke show from a dig.

Now - remove the front axle shafts.

Riddle me this - will it be faster with only the two tires pushing it rather than all four?

So now a car setup from the factory as an awd with the front half shafts removed is your "unbiased and objective example?:lol:

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