GT350R vs 6th Gen Z/28

[Sasuketr]

Stop with the google searches already. Straight from GM itself, here are the 2015 Camaro curb weights:

https://www.chevrolet.com/content/d...hure/02_PDFs/MY15 Camaro eBrochure_102214.pdf

Based on these numbers, the z/28 weighs 88lbs less than a base 1SS. Losing (not loosing) weight from a street-intent 1SS to a track-intent z/28 is really not that hard, because people will not be looking for the same level of ride quality, cabin noise, etc. from a z/28 that Joe-layperson would expect from a regular run-of-the-mill 1SS. My electronics package R weighed in at 3701 lbs with almost a full tank of fuel. There is still a lot of weight that Ford could have chosen to take out, but they didn't. I, for one, am glad they didn't because it make the car much more pleasurable to drive.

BTW, this same site lists a 1LE-packaged car at 3875lbs. How is it that it weighs that much less than a regular 1SS?

It might be the wheels and suspension components who knows:shrug:

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[Sasuketr]

The 1LE alone has 75lbs coming to the 1SS's 3685lbs in just extra coolers brakes, wheel and tire.

At this point, the 1SS is as light as your gonna get in V8 trim. The Alpha and S197 are similar in this respect. The base V8 is a bare platform with very little sub-frame support.

Even extreme measures taken in the Boss 302 still showed a small increase with a seat delete.

The Alpha uses a lot of lightweighting already where the Mustang uses none. Any more will drive cost up.

Beating the GT350 at the track is one thing, beating the MSRP is another... matching the Voodoo doesn't seem likely.

All recipes for failure unless the formula is changed...

Pill,

Last time i checked you were expecting the six gen camaro ss to even gain weight so how should we take your word for it? Maybe GM will include 40 coolers just to make you happy buddy

 

[1320']

BTW, this same site lists a 1LE-packaged car at 3875lbs. How is it that it weighs that much less than a regular 1SS?

Wheels primarily, they're forged where the normal SS wheels are cast.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

There's a few candidates for weight loss:

Lightweight seats, front and rear, or remove the rear
Remove sound deadening
Lighter wheels (and possibly lighter tires)
Lighter hood and trunk

From Wikipedia, bold are weight loss details if the previous Z/28:

Camaro Z/28 is a version of Camaro SS with a full aerodynamic package designed to produce downforce at track speeds (a large splitter connected to an underbody panel, fender flares over the front and rear wheels, extended rocker panels, redesigned rear spoiler and functional diffuser), interior trim in matte-metallic Octane finish, flat-bottomed steering wheel, standard Recaro seats with microfiber suede inserts and manual adjustment, elimination of the seat-back pass through, high-density foam in place of the rigid structure of the seat back and steel mesh of the seat bottom, 7.0L LS7 V8 engine co-developed with Corvette Racing, racing-style cold-air induction system with large K&N air filter, standard dual mode exhaust system with larger-diameter pipes, Tremec TR6060 6-speed manual transmission, limited-slip differential with a helical gear set, 19-inch diameter wheels with Pirelli PZero Trofeo R 305/30ZR19 tires, Brembo Carbon Ceramic Matrix brake discs (394 x 36 mm front and 390 x 32 mm), monoblock calipers (6-piston front, 4-piston rear), elimination of tire inflating kit (except for units sold in Rhode Island and New Hampshire), removed interior sound deadener and carpeting from the trunk, replaced the standard LN4 battery with LN3 battery, replaced standard 3.5mm glass with thinner 3.2mm glass for the rear window, removal of HID headlamps and foglights, removal of air conditioning (available as a stand-alone option).[149]

Now is the difference in those items in a 5th Gen vs. a 6th Gen the same weight loss? Did the 6th Gen already reduce the weight of those items in the standard car significantly over the 5th gen? Are things like thinner glass and a smaller battery even possible?

 

[racingandfishing]

Wheels primarily, they're forged where the normal SS wheels are cast.

From Car&Driver:

WEIGHT REDUCTION

"The LS7 is about 90 pounds lighter than the supercharged LSA in the ZL1, and Chevrolet cut mass everywhere it could. The 19-inch wheels and tires save 42 pounds. The carbon-ceramic brakes drop 28. Cutting A/C (it can be optionally restored) saves another 20. The engineers had hoped to leave out the audio system, but keeping the radio and one door speaker was necessary to bleat mandatory seatbelt warnings. In addition, the Z gets a thinner rear window and a smaller battery. Trunk carpeting, a tire-inflator kit, and most of the sound insulation are gone. New foam eliminates the rear-seat frame and trunk pass-through, saving another nine pounds. Numerous other weight reductions make the Z/28 a claimed 300 pounds lighter than the ZL1."

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/dissected-2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-feature

 

[1320']

From Car&Driver:

WEIGHT REDUCTION

"The LS7 is about 90 pounds lighter than the supercharged LSA in the ZL1, and Chevrolet cut mass everywhere it could. The 19-inch wheels and tires save 42 pounds. The carbon-ceramic brakes drop 28. Cutting A/C (it can be optionally restored) saves another 20. The engineers had hoped to leave out the audio system, but keeping the radio and one door speaker was necessary to bleat mandatory seatbelt warnings. In addition, the Z gets a thinner rear window and a smaller battery. Trunk carpeting, a tire-inflator kit, and most of the sound insulation are gone. New foam eliminates the rear-seat frame and trunk pass-through, saving another nine pounds. Numerous other weight reductions make the Z/28 a claimed 300 pounds lighter than the ZL1."

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/dissected-2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-feature

He's talking about the 1LE, not the Z/28.

 

[Childs Play]

Pill,

Last time i checked you were expecting the six gen camaro ss to even gain weight so how should we take your word for it? Maybe GM will include 40 coolers just to make you happy buddy

I wonder if he'll put 200 lbs worth of bets on the line.

 

[racingandfishing]

He's talking about the 1LE, not the Z/28.

Got it sorry! Quoted the wrong posting. Thought it was in reference to the older Z28.

 

[Khell86]

We'll just need to see what the new 1LE weighs. I would say the Z/28 could be 50-100 lbs less than the 1LE due to rear seat delete and the other extremes they went with to reduce the 5th gen Z/28.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Holy cow. Been on vacation the last week or so. Glad to be back haha. Lots to catch up on!

 

[thePill]

Pill,

Last time i checked you were expecting the six gen camaro ss to even gain weight so how should we take your word for it? Maybe GM will include 40 coolers just to make you happy buddy

When I expected a 3800lbs Camaro, I expected a World Class Platform. The Camaro didn't get that because Chevy couldn't afford to MSRP this crap for $38,000.

Chevy took the easy way out to save weight AND, you should know, the convertible, 1LE, zl1 and z28 needs HEAVY sub-frame support.

That has been confirmed, the Camaro's Alpha IS pieced together while the ATS and CTS were not.


Now, just like the stripped S197 gained weight every year and every model, the 6th Gen will also need to put on weight. It is inevitable one way or another...

Ford chose to integrate support into the structure and, it's is the MAIN reason the S550 is more rigid AND didn't need much to support a Vert and GT350.


Right now, the SS is limp d!ck pathetic and it will NEED to gain as much weight as a GT does when optioning a Performance Pack.

The Camaro will need to gain weight soon, and you will see the extent of cooling issues (which thePill warned of) and weight. It's not a question of IF, it's WHEN they decide the car needs it. It's apparent the vert structure is weak and requires far more support than the S550. That should worry those with lightweight hopes.

It will be extremely difficult to beat the SS now. Some people are too stupid to see it...

 

[thePill]

...and these constants always exist.

Chevy can't beat a Voodoo...

Chevy can't beat the MSRP...

Chevy can't match the GT350's output...

Chevy can't beat the GT350's Power to Weight...

Chevy can't match the Mustang's geometry AND, possibly max tire Size...

The Camaro just simply cannot GT350... these are HUGE disadvantages that are present now that were absent before.

 

[thePill]

I wonder if he'll put 200 lbs worth of bets on the line.

I'll bet you there will never be an NA Camaro to hand a GT350 its ass.

Was that worth a 3700lbs SS :lol: A generation of defeat in both performance and sales?


I see panic... The anticipation aspect of the Camaro is gone. They thought the SS would have been enough to build up for the other 3.

As soon as the 6th Gen fell on its face in the first 6 months, they push product out and hope it drums up talk.

Well, nobody but Motor Trend cared... You got a patched together 3700lbs base car with ZERO options, NO performance equipment and a $38,000 MSRP.


Oh, they sure showed me :lol:

Enjoy the axe team Camaro!!!

 

[thePill]

So, long story short, this z28's another cash grab. Unless they have something to combat the Voodoo, it's just a 1LE with equipment delete...


PERIOD...


...and a Go Fast Wing.

 

[thePill]

Here's what happens when the media distort equipment capabilities.

What?!?!

That's a ZL1!!! The brakes are FLAWLESS!!!

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/03/brake-failure-sends-muscle-car-into.html?m=1

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