GT350R vs 6th Gen Z/28

[Sasuketr]

Wrong the 2015 Z28 was 3856
The R is 3655
The R with tech pack is 3703

Basic math. 201 pounds different already.

WRONG Big Time!

When i said 90 lbs it was between an ss camaro and the z28! Here take look!

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/st-200709666/features-specs/
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/z28/features-specs/

3935 lbs vs 3820 lbs even 115 lbs difference. One website listed 3910 lbs for the ss but lets take the biggest number here.

Now a six gen ss weights 3680 lbs, take away at least 115 lbs and you are looking at 3565 lbs! Simple math as you said. My guess is even less than that, if you look over the camaro forum. People are loosing a lot of weight with just exhaust and wheel upgrades!

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[1320']

WRONG Big Time!

When i said 90 lbs it was between an ss camaro and the z28! Here take look!

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/st-200709666/features-specs/
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/z28/features-specs/

3935 lbs vs 3820 lbs even 115 lbs difference. One website listed 3910 lbs for the ss but lets take the biggest number here.

Now a six gen ss weights 3680 lbs, take away at least 115 lbs and you are looking at 3565 lbs! Simple math as you said. My guess is even less than that, if you look over the camaro forum. People are loosing a lot of weight with just exhaust and wheel upgrades!

So I'm guessing that 15"+ front and rear brakes, bracing, etc...is all just supposed to not add in weight? You can't just drop 115lbs off a 1SS and go "oh look! Z/28!"

If GM can dramatically improve the suspension, wheels, tires, bracing, etc...and NOT add weight but get to 505-515 HP..that should be enough to top a GT350R.

 

[Sasuketr]

So I'm guessing that 15"+ front and rear brakes, bracing, etc...is all just supposed to not add in weight? You can't just drop 115lbs off a 1SS and go "oh look! Z/28!"

If GM can dramatically improve the suspension, wheels, tires, bracing, etc...and NOT add weight but get to 505-515 HP..that should be enough to top a GT350R.

Do we have a better example than a fifth gen ss vs fifth gen z28 weight difference? If so please let us know.

GM will probably take all the interior stuff out like they did in the fifth gen. With all those wider tires, bigger brakes, etc the car still weight a lot less than the regular ss. The cooling part might add weight though if they do 11 coolers for this car too lol.

 

[Voodooo]

WRONG Big Time!

When i said 90 lbs it was between an ss camaro and the z28! Here take look!

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/st-200709666/features-specs/
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/z28/features-specs/

3935 lbs vs 3820 lbs even 115 lbs difference. One website listed 3910 lbs for the ss but lets take the biggest number here.

Now a six gen ss weights 3680 lbs, take away at least 115 lbs and you are looking at 3565 lbs! Simple math as you said. My guess is even less than that, if you look over the camaro forum. People are loosing a lot of weight with just exhaust and wheel upgrades!

Your telling me a z28 will be lighter then a ss

People on the Camaro forum? Who cares. I have a gt350 and I am now lighter by a few pounds then a GT350R. We're talking factor weights not what a owner can do. Hell I 550rwhp stock was 454rwhp. What's the point here.

Also Edmonds list the z at 3820. Motor trend list it at 3856.

 

[Voodooo]

Do we have a better example than a fifth gen ss vs fifth gen z28 weight difference? If so please let us know.

GM will probably take all the interior stuff out like they did in the fifth gen. With all those wider tires, bigger brakes, etc the car still weight a lot less than the regular ss. The cooling part might add weight though if they do 11 coolers for this car too lol.

The z28 will not weigh less then a gt350R or a ss. Mark my words

 

[Process]

Totally possible, heck that happens in all sorts of industries. I definitely remember the Z06 with the 385-to-405 jump after one year ( I had a nicely setup '03 )

Though in more recent memory, it seems like manufacturers have been more cautious. If GM released a higher output Z/28, I'd think sales would take a hit on the C7 since that would become a preview of the '18 Corvette (specifically, the '18 Grand Sport) that you should wait and purchase over a '17.

If I were a GM bean counter, I think I'd release the Z/28 and C7 update at the same time, and make the C7 something like a GS/R likes it's a new model variant (vs. a previous year buyer screw over ...)

At any rate, all this speculation is pretty fun

Team Corvette and Team Camaro are not linked anymore. Remember, if you can find some reviews of the Gen5 Z28, GM gave Team Camaro full reign to build the car they want without worrying about trumping the Corvette.

 

[thePill]

WRONG Big Time!

When i said 90 lbs it was between an ss camaro and the z28! Here take look!

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/st-200709666/features-specs/
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/camaro/2015/z28/features-specs/

3935 lbs vs 3820 lbs even 115 lbs difference. One website listed 3910 lbs for the ss but lets take the biggest number here.

Now a six gen ss weights 3680 lbs, take away at least 115 lbs and you are looking at 3565 lbs! Simple math as you said. My guess is even less than that, if you look over the camaro forum. People are loosing a lot of weight with just exhaust and wheel upgrades!

The 1LE alone has 75lbs coming to the 1SS's 3685lbs in just extra coolers brakes, wheel and tire.

At this point, the 1SS is as light as your gonna get in V8 trim. The Alpha and S197 are similar in this respect. The base V8 is a bare platform with very little sub-frame support.

Even extreme measures taken in the Boss 302 still showed a small increase with a seat delete.

The Alpha uses a lot of lightweighting already where the Mustang uses none. Any more will drive cost up.

Beating the GT350 at the track is one thing, beating the MSRP is another... matching the Voodoo doesn't seem likely.

All recipes for failure unless the formula is changed...

 

[bdavies011]

The z28 will not weigh less then a gt350R or a ss. Mark my words

Your words have been marked.

Dude, All you have to do is take the back seats out of a 2016 1SS (which I'd imagine GM will do with the 6th Gen Z/28) and it will weigh less than the R.

And why do you think a 6th gen z/28 wont weight less than a 1ss? Remove rear seats, carpet, floormats, provide lightweight wheels and who knows what else and it will most certainly be lighter than a 1SS.

Also, the 5th gen z/28 most certainly did weigh less than the 5th gen 1ss. About 100 lbs less.

 

[Voodooo]

Your words have been marked.



Dude, All you have to do is take the back seats out of a 2016 1SS (which I'd imagine GM will do with the 6th Gen Z/28) and it will weigh less than the R.



And why do you think a 6th gen z/28 wont weight less than a 1ss? Remove rear seats, carpet, floormats, rear seats, who knows what else and it will most certainly be lighter than a 1SS.



Also, the 5th gen z/28 most certainly did weigh less than the 5th gen 1ss. About 100 lbs less.

I give up.

You take a base SS is one thing. The ss is the lightest Camaro with a v8 your gonna get. You can't subtract weight from the ss and call it a z28. The z will have bigger tires. Wheels. Brakes etc. take for example a mustang GT vs gt350. See my point.

 

[bdavies011]

I give up.
You take a base SS is one thing. The ss is the lightest Camaro with a v8 your gonna get. You can't subtract weight from the ss and call it a z28. The z will have bigger tires. Wheels. Brakes etc. take for example a mustang GT vs gt350. See my point.

I see your point. And yes, brakes may be slightly heavier although the wheels will be lighter.

Anyway by your logic the 5th gen z/28 should not have been lighter than the 5th gen 1ss, yet it was nearly 100lbs lighter. How do you explain?

 

[Voodooo]

I see your point. And yes, brakes may be slightly heavier although the wheels will be lighter.

Anyway by your logic the 5th gen z/28 should not have been lighter than the 5th gen 1ss, yet it was nearly 100lbs lighter. How do you explain?

Do you have proof of the weights? Not that I don't believe you or not that it matters. how much did the z28 wheels and tire weigh to the ss? We know the rotors are lighter because of carbon ceramic but what else?

 

[bdavies011]

Do you have proof of the weights? Not that I don't believe you or not that it matters. how much did the z28 wheels and tire weigh to the ss? We know the rotors are lighter because of carbon ceramic but what else?

I mean a quick google search will tell you the Z weighs 3820 and the 1ss is 3908. Same numbers from various sources.

 

[Voodooo]

I mean a quick google search will tell you the Z weighs 3820 and the 1ss is 3908. Same numbers from various sources.

Ok


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[garagelogic]

Stop with the google searches already. Straight from GM itself, here are the 2015 Camaro curb weights:

https://www.chevrolet.com/content/d...hure/02_PDFs/MY15 Camaro eBrochure_102214.pdf

Based on these numbers, the z/28 weighs 88lbs less than a base 1SS. Losing (not loosing) weight from a street-intent 1SS to a track-intent z/28 is really not that hard, because people will not be looking for the same level of ride quality, cabin noise, etc. from a z/28 that Joe-layperson would expect from a regular run-of-the-mill 1SS. My electronics package R weighed in at 3701 lbs with almost a full tank of fuel. There is still a lot of weight that Ford could have chosen to take out, but they didn't. I, for one, am glad they didn't because it make the car much more pleasurable to drive.

BTW, this same site lists a 1LE-packaged car at 3875lbs. How is it that it weighs that much less than a regular 1SS?

 

[1320']

Team Corvette and Team Camaro are not linked anymore. Remember, if you can find some reviews of the Gen5 Z28, GM gave Team Camaro full reign to build the car they want without worrying about trumping the Corvette.

In terms of performance, yes.

However, they will have to share engines. GM isn't going to sink tons of money into a Camaro only powerplant that the Corvette won't get first.

And yes, GM gave Team Camaro free reign...after the C6 went out of production. It's not a problem for a base Corvette to get outdone by a top trim Camaro..but I promise you GM won't allow the C7 Z06 or GS to get put down by a Camaro of any kind.

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