Real World Test by the SCCA.

[thePill]

This isn't magazine tests. These are actual lap times from multiple different drivers.

You can say what you want about auto cross being the fun cheap alternative all you want. But the fact remains that these cars are going to depend heavily on the track they are on at the time.

You better hope that mustang is on a curvy course to stand a chance.

If you take that mustang and Camaro to the track I'm part of that mustang will get swallowed. With the second longest straight in America it will be to far behind to catch a break in the corners. There isn't much for the Camaro to lose in those spots.

You will probably see the same this year depending on the tracks you go to.


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I suggest you try Solo first. It can be more taxing than a road course... in fact, people that solo have no trouble adapting to a road course... BUT, a road course guy has some difficulty adjusting to Solo.

Another challenge is, the courses are not simple... they change too. A solo driver doesn't "know" the track. It's all handling, braking and driver skill. While a road course run can benefit more from output and PtW.

There are really no road courses that really test your reaction time like solo. You truly need to know your machine.


Solo is actually defeating tracking somewhat. It's harder to damage the vehicle in solo which has become appealing to those that live their car.

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[Memphis]

I suggest you try Solo first. It can be more taxing than a road course... in fact, people that solo have no trouble adapting to a road course... BUT, a road course guy has some difficulty adjusting to Solo.



Another challenge is, the courses are not simple... they change too. A solo driver doesn't "know" the track. It's all handling, braking and driver skill. While a road course run can benefit more from output and PtW.



There are really no road courses that really test your reaction time like solo. You truly need to know your machine.

That's relying more on the driver than the car. Which is what we are talking about. Which plays more into what I'm saying than what you are trying to say.

You have a ton of S550s in the class you are talking about. You are bound to have more good drivers than not.

I plan on doing a little of all of them this time around. [emoji51]


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[thePill]

This isn't magazine tests. These are actual lap times from multiple different drivers.

You can say what you want about auto cross being the fun cheap alternative all you want. But the fact remains that these cars are going to depend heavily on the track they are on at the time.

You better hope that mustang is on a curvy course to stand a chance.

If you take that mustang and Camaro to the track I'm part of that mustang will get swallowed. With the second longest straight in America it will be to far behind to catch a break in the corners. There isn't much for the Camaro to lose in those spots.

You will probably see the same this year depending on the tracks you go to.


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Again, you assume the Mustang is bad at road courses because a magazine told you so.

They mislead you intentionally...


From 2012 to 2015, the S197 GT Destroyed the 1LE in T2. T2 is road course...

 

[thePill]

The only time a 1LE or '16 SS stands a chance is stock for stock. Even then, the advantage is paper thin. Not only that, the Mustang's used for a benchmark is a Premium.

I watched the GT's take Camaro's in the 1/4, 1/8, Solo, Road, Track, Street, Strip, Oval...

 

[Memphis]

Again, you assume the Mustang is bad at road courses because a magazine told you so.



They mislead you intentionally...





From 2012 to 2015, the S197 GT Destroyed the 1LE in T2. T2 is road course...

The S197. Against the previous gen. Not stock. I am also not saying the mustang is bad at road courses. You are assuming that. However it is very apparent that you believe the new Camaro is going to be bad at it.



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[thePill]

The S197. Against the previous gen. Not stock. I am also not saying the mustang is bad at road courses. You are assuming that. However it is very apparent that you believe the new Camaro is going to be bad at it.



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Yes, the new SS has challenges ahead. To be honest, the 2016 Camaro's strength will be in a competition like Solo or AutoX. The reason primarily being the SS's longevity, lap after lap, on a typical road course configuration.

It is true, Solo can mitigate output advantages. Some people hear solo and think "cones" and "parking lot". The reality is, courses are set up to tax both driver and vehicle. Because most drivers can't endure 3 to 5 minutes of driving at the vicious pace you do in Solo. It's like the Kung Fu of handling a car...

Like thePill said, one of the advantages the 1LE has over the SS is longevity. Solo/AutoX removes the endurance aspect of the vehicles performance and focuses on performance. An exercise in handling, braking, acceleration and driver reaction and experience with that machine.

Solo is work, don't try to discredit the sport now. It's become very popular.

The 2016 Camaro isn't ideal for Motorsport, maybe slightly more usable than the 2010-2015 SS. It surely has the power to weight to win...

I think SCCA FS or NASA Auto X will be the 2016 SS's primary area of competition. The ATS-V was faster BUT, it was not supported enough to have the rulebook updated.

In other words, even the ATS-V wasn't dominating enough for someone that owned one to get it classed. They were at TNT's last year but wasn't ideal...


Just FYI... the SS is less ideal than the ATS-V... Although, the 2016 SS stands the best chance for success in SCCA FS. The SS has some sort of advantage over the top competition, no matter what, the SS has an advantage somewhere.

But, as thePill mentioned before, the SCCA found nothing in a production 2016 SS that would need it to class elsewhere. The 2015-'16 GT, GTPP and GTPP Premium is more than capable of handling a 2016 1SS. There was no 2 second advantage or advantage at all for that matter...






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[Memphis]

Yes, the new SS has one challenges ahead. To be honest, the 2016 Camaro's strength will be in a competition like Solo or AutoX. The reason primarily being the SS's longevity, lap after lap, on a typical road course configuration.



It is true, Solo can mitigate output advantages. Some people hear solo and think "cones" and "parking lot". The reality is, courses are set up to tax both driver and vehicle. Because most drivers can endure 3 to 5 minutes of driving at the vicious pace you do in Solo. It's like the Kung Fu of handling a car...



Like thePill said, one of the advantages the 1LE has over the SS is longevity. Solo/AutoX removes the endurance aspect of the vehicles performance and focuses on performance. An exercise in handling, braking, acceleration and driver reaction and experience with that machine.



Solo is work, don't try to discredit the sport now. It's become very popular.



The 2016 Camaro isn't ideal for Motorsport, maybe slightly more usable than the 2010-2015 SS. It surely has the power to weight to win...



I think SCCA FS or NASA Auto X will be the 2016 SS's primary area of competition. The ATS-V was faster BUT, it was not supported enough to have the rulebook updated.



In other words, even the ATS-V wasn't dominating enough for someone that owned one to get it classed. They were at TNT's last year but wasn't ideal...





Just FYI... the SS is less ideal that the ATS-V...

Lol we shall see. I never discredited the cone courses. I prefer the road courses my friend.

Which is where most of these lap times have happened. Which is where I will be doing mine

I will participate in the aforementioned events as well.

I'm about a year out. By then we should have some results don't you think?

And btw, with all things being equal, if he GT was indeed a bench mark and it was classed there..... Then we should see some great competition between the two.

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[thePill]

Lol we shall see. I never discredited the cone courses. I prefer the road courses my friend.

Which is where most of these lap times have happened. Which is where I will be doing mine

I will participate in the aforementioned events as well.

I'm about a year out. By then we should have some results don't you think?

And btw, with all things being equal, if he GT was indeed a bench mark and it was classed there..... Then we should see some great competition between the two.

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The 2015 GT raised hell last season on the existing S197's, 5th Gen 1LE's and the E92 M3.

Last season, there was no 0.24 second advantage for the 1LE. In fact, there were initial events in Texas, on this site, that showed the Boss and a '15 GTPP putting seconds on two 1LE's on a 50 second course...

...not the only time a 2015 GT annihilated a 5th Gen 1LE in FS. The 2015 GT's performance last season is the reason these Test N Tunes are conducted.

While there was an obvious advantage on the course in Texas and, pretty much throughout the season, Sam and the SCCA found that the advantage only exist during the event.

Even though the 2015 GT showed a pretty dominating first trip out, the SCCA conducted test to determine if it was still FS eligible.

The test thePill posted confirms, the 2015 GTPP Premium does NOT have an advantage on the 1LE or M3. Nor does the 1LE or M3 really have an advantage over the GT either...


...further, similar test were conducted, in the same fashion, for the 2016 SS. They will continue to test it... The 2016 SS became eligible for FS on 23 Nov.

There was no perceived advantage over any of the vehicles in the top 5...

 

[aspensilver]

Actually. I use the font to see very easily, when someone is quoting me. But carry on Dr. Freud. Me personally. I'm usually more worried about closed minded people that are upset because someone choices to be different from them. Aren't assumptions fun?

That's actually what I meant, so you could find yourself. You are a special guy.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

That's actually what I meant, so you could find yourself. You are a special guy.

Hey thanks for stopping in and saying something stupid. We'll see ya next week for those witty zingers. Take care now.:clap2:

 

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Hey thanks for stopping in and saying something stupid. We'll see ya next week for those witty zingers. Take care now.:clap2:

Enjoy the self indulgence at the expense of others.

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