Real World Test by the SCCA.

[ZaneWayne]

No. Which is where he Pilk will probably be pleasantly surprised after a full 2 seasons or racing the new 16.


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Man if the Alpha is considerably quicker than the S550........never mind it wouldn't phase him lol.

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[Memphis]

Man if the Alpha is considerably quicker than the S550........never mind it wouldn't phase him lol.

Probably will be on the longer tracks. Maybe not so much on the more technical ones. Although it will be considerably better handling Han the last gen.


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[ZaneWayne]

Probably will be on the longer tracks. Maybe not so much on the more technical ones. Although it will be considerably better handling Han the last gen.


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I would call them more courses than tracks, no? But yes I can see where that would be true. I literally have no clue about what is a good car for those courses. I would assume the smaller lighter car would be the best out there.

 

[Car Man]

It's the SCCA... I'm not affiliated with the SCCA.

This was a Test in order to determine class eligibility. The results are the results... there is no ifs ands of buts about it. Be upset, it surely upsets me too.

None of this is top secret.

But I guess you will accept all the tests that show the true weight of the camaro as 3650 lbs then?

Also all the tests and comparo tests that show the 16 ss as a far superior a performance car to the 16 gt with or without the "PP"

Its the results.

Hypocrite.

 

[ZaneWayne]

But I guess you will accept all the tests that show the true weight of the camaro as 3650 lbs then?

Alsi all the tests and comparo tests that show the 16 ss as a far superior a performance car to the 16 gt with ir without the "PP"

Its the results.

Hypocrite.

Its the magazines. But even when the SCCA guy, in a 5th gen Camaro, runs a faster lap than the S550, its a win for the S550.

 

[thePill]

But I guess you will accept all the tests that show the true weight of the camaro as 3650 lbs then?

Also all the tests and comparo tests that show the 16 ss as a far superior a performance car to the 16 gt with or without the "PP"

Its the results.

Hypocrite.

If it weighs 3650lbs then it weighs 3650lbs. That didn't make it any faster in the SCCA TnT.

I understand magazine results are important. Without them the Camaro would look as appealing using real world results.

The fact is the 2016 SS is FS bound. It's bound for that class because it isn't faster than the class leader. I can't really say much after that... I know the S550 was very strong in its first season.

That reality doesn't exist outside of a magazine article. It's entertaining though and a lot of people fall for it. The governing body had different findings.

thePill tried to get this through to you before any of these test were made public. Maybe the 2016 is a bit slower than the 2015? It is possible...

 

[ZaneWayne]

Maybe the 2016 is a bit slower than the 2015? It is possible...

Bahahahahahaha. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[thePill]

Its the magazines. But even when the SCCA guy, in a 5th gen Camaro, runs a faster lap than the S550, its a win for the S550.

FS is the Camaro's most successful class. It won a championship and was 0.25 seconds faster than the 2015 GTPP Premium that was tested the same day. It admittedly had 8 more gallons of fuel but, it's not a test to win or lose.

It's a test conducted to ensure the fastest vehicles in FS belong there. The test proves that the fastest cars in the class are all within a fraction of a second.

I'm not sure why your taking this so personal. Write the SCCA or message Sam on FB :lol:

I didn't take anything from you. This just backs up what I witnessed all last year and reported here.

They were initially marketed as lies but, since this report came out, it seems very feasible.

I think that's the issue...

 

[ZaneWayne]

FS is the Camaro's most successful class. It won a championship and was 0.25 seconds faster than the 2015 GTPP Premium that was tested the same day. It admittedly had 8 more gallons of fuel but, it's not a test to win or lose.

It's a test conducted to ensure the fastest vehicles in FS belong there. The test proves that the fastest cars in the class are all within a fraction of a second.

I'm not sure why your taking this so personal. Write the SCCA or message Sam on FB :lol:

I didn't take anything from you. This just backs up what I witnessed all last year and reported here.

They were initially marketed as lies but, since this report came out, it seems very feasible.

I think that's the issue...

Yes because the 5th gen 1LE was marketed as faster than the 6th gen Mustang? But you kept saying that it wasn't? Then someone in SCCA (the organization you love) tests them and find that, wait......the 5th gen 1LE is faster than the all new S550 GTPP.

 

[thePill]

Yes because the 5th gen 1LE was marketed as faster than the 6th gen Mustang? But you kept saying that it wasn't? Then someone in SCCA (the organization you love) tests them and find that, wait......the 5th gen 1LE is faster than the all new S550 GTPP.

Yeah, in that test it was 0.25 faster than a Premium GTPP. I'm far from impressed especially since the 1LE had nearly no fuel.

Motor Trend says their SCCA expert claims 40lbs is a tenth.

Why is a GTPP Premium just as fast as a 1LE?

I don't know, seems kinda strange.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Yeah, in that test it was 0.25 faster than a Premium GTPP. I'm far from impressed especially since the 1LE had nearly no fuel.

Motor Trend says their SCCA expert claims 40lbs is a tenth.

Why is a GTPP Premium just as fast as a 1LE?

I don't know, seems kinda strange.

Motor trend said they guessed it would be a tenth around a track that was 3 times as long as the *course* used in the SCCA test. 8 gallons of fuel was the difference, so a weight of 48-50 pounds. Is that enough to take .25 off in a 38 second lap? Maybe. But the only thing that proves is that the all new S550 platform has a hard time hanging with a 10 year old platform with a 10 year old engine. I wouldn't exactly chalk that up as a win.

 

[Memphis]

Motor trend said they guessed it would be a tenth around a track that was 3 times as long as the *course* used in the SCCA test. 8 gallons of fuel was the difference, so a weight of 48-50 pounds. Is that enough to take .25 off in a 38 second lap? Maybe. But the only thing that proves is that the all new S550 platform has a hard time hanging with a 10 year old platform with a 10 year old engine. I wouldn't exactly chalk that up as a win.

Bingo.

Except the next words from the piles mouth will be as follows..... "But the new Camaro benchmarked the last gen 1le" and then we get into the problem that it was also mentioned that the 6th gen was as fast or faster than the outgoing 1le.

However, with what I drove the past two days on an actual road course, the new Camaro will be a pleasant surprise to the amateur and pro drivers in both the scca and nasa events.


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[thePill]

Motor trend said they guessed it would be a tenth around a track that was 3 times as long as the *course* used in the SCCA test. 8 gallons of fuel was the difference, so a weight of 48-50 pounds. Is that enough to take .25 off in a 38 second lap? Maybe. But the only thing that proves is that the all new S550 platform has a hard time hanging with a 10 year old platform with a 10 year old engine. I wouldn't exactly chalk that up as a win.

Awww... don't take it so personal. The GTPP Premium isn't exactly the lightest and best suited for track.

I'd take a 3740lbs GTPP with only 4 gallons like that 1LE had. Without the Premium (50lbs) and the extra 8 gallons of fuel (45lbs), I'm betting the GTPP's eat the 1LE in this test like they did all last season.

Remember, the 2015 GTPP was fast and ran all last season. These results are backed by a full season of '15 GT activity.

:lol:

It's so personal for you :lol:

I'd probably just move on. With this test and last seasons results, it totally contradicts the media's reports.

Just accept it... and this is the Camaro's best class. I'd rather pull from its best achievements.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Bingo.

Except the next words from the piles mouth will be as follows..... "But the new Camaro benchmarked the last gen 1le" and then we get into the problem that it was also mentioned that the 6th gen was as fast or faster than the outgoing 1le.

However, with what I drove the past two days on an actual road course, the new Camaro will be a pleasant surprise to the amateur and pro drivers in both the scca and nasa events.


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I drove a 1LE a couple years ago and really enjoyed it. Very solid car. But the Alpha is much better in every way. I didn't think it would have the grip, given the runflats but it definitely does.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Awww... don't take it so personal. The GTPP Premium isn't exactly the lightest and best suited for track.

I'd take a 3740lbs GTPP with only 4 gallons like that 1LE had. Without the Premium (50lbs) and the extra 8 gallons of fuel (45lbs), I'm betting the GTPP's eat the 1LE in this test like they did all last season.

Remember, the 2015 GTPP was fast and ran all last season. These results are backed by a full season of '15 GT activity.

:lol:

It's so personal for you :lol:

I'd probably just move on. With this test and last seasons results, it totally contradicts the media's reports.

Just accept it... and this is the Camaro's best class. I'd rather pull from its best achievements.

Was the Camaro a 1SS? I honestly do not know. If it was a 2SS, then the premium argument is mute. I am not doubting that the S550 is fast ( it sure is ), but isn't the 1LE faster. I mean you did post the link that proves that it is.

Edit: Running around cones in a SAMs club is far from personal haha. I do not even have a 1LE lol. Basketball season is over with, so I have more time to talk on the inter webs.

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