Real World Test by the SCCA.

[thePill]

With less than a full tank, manual, and 1SS is considerable less than 3,700 but ok. Also there is not a 6th gen Camaro out right now that is 3,800. The heaviest we have seen is 3,765.

My earliest weights I reported from the local garage had the 2015 around 3670-3690lbs. Even as I reported those weights, I thought they were still too heavy.

That is an accurate window for the statement made. 3700-3800lbs.

None of that will change the SCCA's results and make them class it in a faster class. It needs to run faster times at the SCCA's TNT events.

That hasn't happened yet... so, the SS was classed in FS.

thePill mentioned this months ago, even before the October test. The 2016 SS is no faster than anything in FS right now.

Low and behold, the SCCA agrees and officially classed the SS in FS.

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[Memphis]

My earliest weights I reported from the local garage had the 2015 around 3670-3690lbs. Even as I reported those weights, I thought they were still too heavy.



That is an accurate window for the statement made. 3700-3800lbs.



None of that will change the SCCA's results and make them class it in a faster class. It needs to run faster times at the SCCA's TNT events.



That hasn't happened yet... so, the SS was classed in FS.



thePill mentioned this months ago, even before the October test. The 2016 SS is no faster than anything in FS right now.



Low and behold, the SCCA agrees and officially classed the SS in FS.

And it could possibly win in that class easily. So what.




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[thePill]

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In your mind yes... but the SS hasn't raced a single day AND, when they classed the vehicle, the SCCA found it to fit right in with it.

If it performs better in a TnT, I'm sure they will move it up. That just hasn't happened yet. AND, since it's not any faster than the current 1LE, I doubt that will ever happen.

Maybe the 1LE/SS...

Initial forum chatter had few believing it would do well. They assumed that due to its PtW alone, that it was AS bound. Some were already bitching about the GT350 being there and that it wasn't fair.

Then the SCCA classed it FS and everyone laughed :lol:

 

[ZaneWayne]

My earliest weights I reported from the local garage had the 2015 around 3670-3690lbs. Even as I reported those weights, I thought they were still too heavy.

That is an accurate window for the statement made. 3700-3800lbs.

None of that will change the SCCA's results and make them class it in a faster class. It needs to run faster times at the SCCA's TNT events.

That hasn't happened yet... so, the SS was classed in FS.

thePill mentioned this months ago, even before the October test. The 2016 SS is no faster than anything in FS right now.

Low and behold, the SCCA agrees and officially classed the SS in FS.

If the 2015 weighs around 3,670 then the 2016 is going to be way less hahaha. JK JK. When are they going to release the times they ran on the coned parking lot?

 

[ZaneWayne]

In your mind yes... but the SS hasn't raced a single day AND, when they classed the vehicle, the SCCA found it to fit right in with it.

If it performs better in a TnT, I'm sure they will move it up. That just hasn't happened yet. AND, since it's not any faster than the current 1LE, I doubt that will ever happen.

Maybe the 1LE/SS...

Initial forum chatter had few believing it would do well. They assumed that due to its PtW alone, that it was AS bound. Some were already bitching about the GT350 being there and that it wasn't fair.

Then the SCCA classed it FS and everyone laughed :lol:

So the SS has not raced yet? How do they know where to class it?

 

[Memphis]

So the SS has not raced yet? How do they know where to class it?

They ore class the vehicle. It is possible to have the vehicle moved to a different class later on.

Pill never answered my question. Where is the M4 classed?


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[thePill]

And it could possibly win in that class easily. So what.




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It could take the class on Power to Weight alone. In FS, the performance from the field of competing vehicles are literally right on top of each other.

That was the point to the exercise.

To explain why and how the GT was doing so well even when mags said it shouldn't. Also, the fact that the SCCA found the 2016 SS to class in FS...

Some days and tracks the GTPP dominates, some times the M3 does well, sometimes an old GT or SS.

Many people expect the 1LE and SS to be an easy win... no, in fact, many older Brembo GT's dominated FS. It is a complete contradiction to what magazines report. thePill followed the GTPP last year... it was very strong... and was faster than many 1LE's that competed.


thePill put some of those results up so this report should be no surprise. I will look for the TnT with the '16 Camaro. But if we just try and discredit the SCCA, I'll just watch the Regionals.

 

[ZaneWayne]

It could take the class on Power to Weight alone. In FS, the performance from the field of competing vehicles are literally right on top of each other.

That was the point to the exercise.

To explain why and how the GT was doing so well even when mags said it shouldn't. Also, the fact that the SCCA found the 2016 SS to class in FS...

Some days and tracks the GTPP dominates, some times the M3 does well, sometimes an old GT or SS.

Many people expect the 1LE and SS to be an easy win... no, in fact, many older Brembo GT's dominated FS. It is a complete contradiction to what magazines report. thePill followed the GTPP last year... it was very strong... and was faster than many 1LE's that competed.


thePill put some of those results up so this report should be no surprise. I will look for the TnT with the '16 Camaro. But if we just try and discredit the SCCA, I'll just watch the Regionals.

I do not take lap times from a coned track on a Saturday in a parking lot. However, if (when) the Camaro is the best in that class, what is your reaction going to be? My guess is go back to your non posting ways again haha, see weight discussion.

 

[thePill]

They ore class the vehicle. It is possible to have the vehicle moved to a different class later on.

Pill never answered my question. Where is the M4 classed?


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BMW did not provide a car for testing nor has an owner supplied an M4 to be tested to class. As of right now, the M4 is not registered in FS to AS. The main complaint being the move to a 111 inch wheelbase.

Yes, I vehicle can be pushed up. In the Boss 302 Laguna Seca's case. It WAS faster than everybody in FS and was banned there and moved to AS. The R tires were cited as the reason why it had an advantage.

Yet the 2014-2015 1LE was 3 seconds faster :(

 

[thePill]

I do not take lap times from a coned track on a Saturday in a parking lot. However, if (when) the Camaro is the best in that class, what is your reaction going to be? My guess is go back to your non posting ways again haha, see weight discussion.

So in order for a vehicle to handle, the turns must be official GM certified turns?

Nah... If you can't do it through the cones, you can't do it.

I'm not sure many Camaro's are showing up to the SCCA. Not many buy them and own them right now. From what the SCCA discovered, there really isn't anything advantageous in the 2016 SS other than PtW.

There are some courses that PtW will be a winning factor. It's not going to sweep the nation. You need more vehicles competing for that to happen.

Regionals?

 

[Memphis]

It could take the class on Power to Weight alone. In FS, the performance from the field of competing vehicles are literally right on top of each other.



That was the point to the exercise.



To explain why and how the GT was doing so well even when mags said it shouldn't. Also, the fact that the SCCA found the 2016 SS to class in FS...



Some days and tracks the GTPP dominates, some times the M3 does well, sometimes an old GT or SS.



Many people expect the 1LE and SS to be an easy win... no, in fact, many older Brembo GT's dominated FS. It is a complete contradiction to what magazines report. thePill followed the GTPP last year... it was very strong... and was faster than many 1LE's that competed.





thePill put some of those results up so this report should be no surprise. I will look for the TnT with the '16 Camaro. But if we just try and discredit the SCCA, I'll just watch the Regionals.

That is correct. Depending on driver and skill level there are many variable that take place allowing the Camaro to compete in FS. Let's see how consistent it is over the course of a season.

If it's consistently ahead of what the scca expectations are it could get reclassed. I doubt it, but we shall see.

I bet the 1LE gets reclassed


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[Memphis]

BMW did not provide a car for testing nor has an owner supplied an M4 to be tested to class. As of right now, the M4 is not registered in FS to AS. The main complaint being the move to a 111 inch wheelbase.

Yes, I vehicle can be pushed up. In the Boss 302 Laguna Seca's case. It WAS faster than everybody in FS and was banned there and moved to AS. The R tires were cited as the reason why it had an advantage.

Yet the 2014-2015 1LE was 3 seconds faster :(

We may have a different case on our hands with the new Camaro. I Just had a chance to drive the Camaro on the track and compared to last gen, it is a completely different vehicle. It handles and pulls so much better than the last ten thee is really no comparison.


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[thePill]

We may have a different case on our hands with the new Camaro. I Just had a chance to drive the Camaro on the track and compared to last gen, it is a completely different vehicle. It handles and pulls so much better than the last ten thee is really no comparison.


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Not likely...

A while back, thePill kicked and screamed about the ATS-V's TnT? A few months ago?

I literally said it in fact l!cked b@lls? Well... unless it hasn't been updated but, it appears the ATS-V was so aweful in FS, they just didn't class it...

The 464hp, 3760lbs ATS-V with 14.6 inch front rotors and 265 tires... wasn't impressive or consistent enough to play with the slower GT.

That is a shame... and also severely contradicts everything thePill has ever heard. Maybe the SCCA updated the roster and thePill didn't notice. That is a huge failure...

 

[Memphis]

Not likely...



A while back, thePill kicked and screamed about the ATS-V's TnT? A few months ago?



I literally said it in fact l!cked b@lls? Well... unless it hasn't been updated but, it appears the ATS-V was so aweful in FS, they just didn't class it...



The 464hp, 3760lbs ATS-V with 14.6 inch front rotors and 265 tires... wasn't impressive or consistent enough to play with the slower GT.



That is a shame...

It ended up being heavier and was not developed with the Camaro team.

The same mistake you made on the weight you are making now. Assuming that the cars are so alike that they will perform the same.

If the last gen5 got classed and performed decently I can tell you this one will be MUCH improved.

I've driven both on the track now.


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[thePill]

If the 2015 weighs around 3,670 then the 2016 is going to be way less hahaha. JK JK. When are they going to release the times they ran on the coned parking lot?

The courses designed to class vehicles are not random. They are designed to push every vehicle and monitor slalom and sweeper (skidpad) performance along with the braking in those areas.

They also note changes in excessive runs and note mistakes made. These TNT's are a constant, ongoing process. Especially when new cars are introduced. It's difficult to allow too many changes in FS due to it being as low as you can go.

Lots of cars are approved BUT, there is a natural pecking order. The M and GT have been a constant for half a decade at least.

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