Ford Racing doesn't think the mustang is a high performance vehicle

[IPOGT]

Show them the Ford racing site. Maybe they'll change their mind and give you a discount on your insurance. :doh:

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[Cobra Jet]

"Mustang" is not called out because it's already assumed and does fall into the Ford Racing category... It always has been that way - going back to the first Ford Motorsport catalogs (before it was known as Ford Racing or Ford Performance)...

Open up any Ford Racing catalog and there's tons of Mustang related parts - regardless of lineage.

Why does it HAVE to be there by name in the list of other vehicles?

SVO, SVT, this vs that - it's all the same, been that way - just the names changed over the years - the parts and historical Teams just get moved under new terminology that is PC for today's world.

 

[1320']

lol it's only marketing. The GT350 is nothing more than a few upgraded parts that any serious modder does to a mustang anyway. Save any special engine changes.

And the fiesta and focus or whatever are nothing more than glorified grocery getters.

I'm starting to think you are just a world class troll.

You know very little about what exactly went into the GT350

 

[Pa-fatboy]

Don't care what some website thinks... in my mind the Mustang GT is a fast performance sports car and nothing anyone says will change that. This is my Ferrari.

I just said that exact statement to my wife this evening. Nice call.

 

[SpeedLu]

El oh el, has a horse, but the GT is no Ferrari ;) just be happy with what it is.

Yes, that was my point. :doh: Was it not palpable enough that you were forced to reword it out loud to understand it? ;)

Thank you, Captain Obvious. :headbonk:

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I'm starting to think you are just a world class troll.

You know very little about what exactly went into the GT350

:clap2::clap2:

 

[Pa-fatboy]

Sorry, I just hate the typical american car guy/girl sentiment that if it's not a big heavy v8 that it's garbage.

People in other markets like the UK understand that there is more to a car than brutal straight line acceleration, and frankly that's why cars like the FoST, FoRS, FiST, and other legendary Team RS cars are legendary everywhere else in the world.

The basic appeal of the Mustang GT is why it's a "regular" mundane car here, and not really a Ford Performance halo car. If the GTPP were a bit more elevated like a 1LE, it would totally belong under the Ford Performance banner. We can only hope Ford gets keen to that idea and gives us that in the future.

Honestly if they just gave it Mag-Ride, Dual mode exhaust, and some Pilot Super Sports to what it already has, along with some outside differentiation on the body, it would be perfect.

I simply can't stand the misinformed British person who keep telling themselves that all American cars have no handling, and all they can do is drive in a fast straight line. It's the same notion that Every British built car has crappy wiring. I do understand that Britans have a hard time giving up old antiquated thinking.

They still drive on the left. This is commonly cited to be a practice from the old days when people carried swords, pikes and pitchforks. They wanted to be ready and have the best chance with their right hands.

By one source I found, The only cars owned and made in the UK are Morgan, Catherham and Mclaren. The Mini is BMW, Lotus is owned by a Malaysion company, Land Rover and Jaguar are owned by an Indian company, Bentley is Volkswagon, Aston Martin is Kuwaiti owned, MG is Chinese, Rolls-Royce is BMW, Vauxhall is GM. No more cars for daily drivers are owned by a UK company. Could this lead to bad feelings and the need to hold on to old thinking?

From MG's website, "We use the scale and technological advancement of the MG production facility in Lingang, China, for initial production. This includes the production of the car body as well as paint shop processing. 

Taking care of initial production in China means our UK manufacturing team can focus on the key components that create the handling experience our European customers have come to expect.". In Brimingham, they put in the engine, transmition and finish the electrical connections. MG is a Chinese car.

Besides hanging on to the past, to make themselves feel better about what once was, I think a lot of the contempt is the UK being saturated with misinformed and lazy UK automotive writers. I have spent considerable time working in the Liverpool / Manchester area. Luckily, weekends were mine and I got to explore and meet people. I went into most auto dealers in Manchester. I even got the Lotus dealer to let me take a car out for a test drive. One word, FUN. Disappointing was the discussions area politics, W was still in office, in general, the UK severely disliked him. Disappointing was the car talks. Even when we were renting or sitting in a Ford, Opel.... I mean really?

In a old but still relivant car and driver article, Csaba Caere wrote:

Every month's batch of English car magazines arrives in our offices saturated with slurs about American cars and the industry that produces them. Here are some typical recent swipes:

"Unlike most U.S. 4x4s, the steering rack does actually seem to be connected to the front wheels." -Peter Haynes in the May 24 issue of Autocar, on the Ford Maverick, which is the European version of the Escape SUV.

"So, whilst the rest of the world suffers Detroit's can't-do-small-at-all efforts, nothing's really changed in America. Or, as they say in Montana: 'You can divorce me if you like, but I'll always be your sister.'" Anthony ffrench-Constant in a rant from the April issue of Top Gear.

"In a country with the U.S.'s reputation for dumbing down the driving experience}

. . ." -Julian Rendell on the Jaguar F-type, published in the April 19 issue of Autocar.

"The Focus is available, but qualifies as a sub-sub-compact which the U.S. market fails to 'get'-quite possibly because they can't see it." Actually, the U.S. Department of Transportation classifies the Focus as a compact. For the first five months of 2000, the Focus was one of the five bestselling cars in the U.S.

And so it goes. Every assertion wrong. Every conclusion a cheap slander warped by comprehensive ignorance. Gregory and many of his colleagues seem particularly incensed by America's low fuel prices, which make large vehicles affordable here. As if it's somehow our fault that the British electorate tolerates a pseudo-socialist government that quadruples the price of fuel in the United Kingdom with taxes.

Some of this freewheeling hatred of American vehicles can be ascribed to the "laddie" brand of journalism popularized by Brit magazines such as FHM and Maxim. The wit and sophistication level of these rags, which wavers around the 13-year-old level, has displaced the once grown-up voice of British motoring journals. But the Eurocentric perspective of British auto writers is nothing new.

The Lotus Esprit Turbo was one of the wondrous machines that had inspired such shameless blarney. We sampled one during a best-handling test we published in 1984. Lo and behold, the Esprit finished dead last among the eight agile imports.

Interestingly enough, the Esprit did quite well in our objective tests. But when it came to the ephemeral evaluations of feel, responsiveness, and communication- our British colleagues had given it great credit for these characteristics-the Esprit was hopeless. It had, by unanimous agreement, the worst steering and poorest directional stability of the group, and it was the trickiest to drive at the limit.

Roger Becker, a capable Lotus engineer who was along on this test, said our complaints were likely caused by soft suspension bushings used to improve the ride for European customers. British writers are constantly indicting the American market for motivating such compromises.

As to driving conditions in America, our sporting roads are vastly more open than the narrow, shoulderless, hedge-lined strips of pavement that are found in the British countryside. So in England, quickness, agile responses, and compact size are critical. On less constricted American roads, however, we are more interested in the absolute grip and limit-handling stability that we can explore. Although we certainly identified those Esprit characteristics that were unsuited to our roads, we never used these differences to attack the British auto industry (or, for that matter, the British people) with anything like the contempt that the British press reserves for America's automakers.

Then again, whom would we attack? Ford has long had the bestselling car in Britain, and Henry's company also owns Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover. General Motors owns Vauxhall. Volkswagen owns Bentley. The legendary Lotus is now owned by a Malaysian consortium. BMW owns Rolls-Royce and is having trouble giving away Rover!

Other than the cottage industry of such builders as Bristol, Morgan, and TVR, who produce handfuls of admittedly interesting, factory-built kit cars, what British cars are there to bash?

Could this be the real reason why the British motoring press is in such a lather?

 

[GDP]

I'm starting to think you are just a world class troll.

You know very little about what exactly went into the GT350

I mean whats so vastly different? Oh the fender vents? The bigger air vents on the hood? The spoiler? The upgraded suspension and slightly beefier drive train.

 

[Evo_Rob]

I mean whats so vastly different? Oh the fender vents? The bigger air vents on the hood? The spoiler? The upgraded suspension and slightly beefier drive train.

5.2L vs 5.0L
Tremec 3160 vs MT-82
Totally different body panels
Suspension
Wheels
Tech/Track packages
Seats

It has a Mustang frame and same ugly coolant reservoir.

 

[GT P-TREE]

Yes, that was my point. :doh: Was it not palpable enough that you were forced to reword it out loud to understand it? ;)

Thank you, Captain Obvious. :headbonk:

Nope, just pathetic that you got so upset that the GT wasn't under the FP Banner (Which is the evolution of SVO, SVT, which the standard GT does not fall under), and laughable that you would compare your GT to a Ferrari ;)

Everyone gets so wrapped around comparisons and who faster stock, and better, and on and on. Sports cars, performance cars, fun cars, "Fast" cars, whatever you want to call them are not a logical thing, if you like it, enjoy, if not, who cares. There will always be someone faster. And surprised still at all the hate for the STs. But, fanboys will be fanboys, so enjoy boys.

 

[Zshazz]

I don't know about that. Car & Driver loves these two cars:

http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/fiesta-st

http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/focus-st

I concur. The Fiesta ST is an amazing deal. For driver enjoyment, I'd match it up against anything sub $30k (and, yes, that includes the Mustang Ecoboost). In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd personally prefer the Fiesta ST over the Mustang Ecoboost as a DD. It's an awesome enough car that I'm saving up a down payment on my other fun car instead of considering it as a trade-in, so that's about as high of a endorsement as you can get. (Well, it also gives me an excuse to wait for the 2018s...)

Of course, before I drove it, I was in the same boat as GDP. I kept an open mind, however.

 

[BoomBoy]

I mean whats so vastly different? Oh the fender vents? The bigger air vents on the hood? The spoiler? The upgraded suspension and slightly beefier drive train.

Are you stupid? The engine! Can your engine rev to 8250 RPM?

 

[1320']

I don't think there's a need to imply or call him stupid...

 

[BluByeU]

Nope, just pathetic that you got so upset that the GT wasn't under the FP Banner (Which is the evolution of SVO, SVT, which the standard GT does not fall under), and laughable that you would compare your GT to a Ferrari ;)

Everyone gets so wrapped around comparisons and who faster stock, and better, and on and on. Sports cars, performance cars, fun cars, "Fast" cars, whatever you want to call them are not a logical thing, if you like it, enjoy, if not, who cares. There will always be someone faster. And surprised still at all the hate for the STs. But, fanboys will be fanboys, so enjoy boys.

This! I enjoy my car whatever it happens to be, at this time it's a 2015 Mustang GT, in the future it could be a Corvette, ZL1 or GT350. When I drove other brands I defended them/enjoyed them to the fullest...people become so sensitive or over-react when you don't agree with their opinion of which car is better performance-wise or which car is a better purchase. Cracks me up all of the time - relax, breathe...

 

[Superman15]

you should consider it, it's the current king of the small hot hatches. best performance car you can buy under 25k.

Get over yourself. You don't have a hi-po muscle car. You have a middle of the road v8 tourer. Not even the fastest or best performing in it's class.

I see that sarcasm is not your strong point in life lol He was quite obviously being sarcastic about the hi-po muscle car. Not sure he coulda been any more obvious about the sarcasm. Who cares if ppl feel their GT is a hi-po car?? It is subjective to the driver. If someone is coming from a Toyota Camry to a GT, it will sure in hell feel very much like a hi-po muscle car. It may not be that to YOU... but no need for everyone to get so pissed off at ppl for feeling like their GT is pretty dam fast. I see plenty of ppl saying that running 10's in the qtr is not fast. Well for a DD street vehicle, I'd say 10's are pretty dam fast. But if I had another car running 8's then yea, the 10's wont feel fast. Too many ppl are an authority on what is "fast" and what is not. Why can't both opinions be right

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