Whipple Gen3 2.9L Dyno Results

[Whipple SC]

Thats not what was 1st stated thus why i raised the question.

Wouldnt want anyone getting away with inflated dyno numbers around here or trying to compare apples to oranges :lol:........

Geee makes a hell of alot more sense if BOTH are the same and one only has the gen2 vs the gen3 everything else being equal.

Ill give you an A- on the attempted recovery here.

Now adding a 20% OD combined with the smaller 3.25 is should be a no brainer that the input speed is different than a 20% OD combined with the 3.75 setup.

Its pretty straight forward here but people need to get their shit together and get the story right LOL.

Ohh and if the Gen3 is more effecient then how do both "supposedly" make 17 psi of boost when one setup is 20% OD plus 3.25 and one is 20% OD plus 3.75?

Given one has a more effecient blower and one is spinning the blower harder then how can the boost psi be the same IF indeed everything else is the same?

Both engines should flow the same thus the boost HAS to be different or was the 17psi claim on both incorrect also? :shrug:

Again apparently people need to get the story right of what happened here.

You cant spin one harder and have the psi the same. Obviously given the pulley info the input speed is different.

Id totally believe and understand that it made 60 more hp going from gen2 to gen3 but then how do both make 17psi supposedly when the pulley setups are different......

:headbonk:

I didn't do the test, nor trying to recover, passing along our dealers info. In fact, it was another poster that actually added the detail.

The Gen 2 had the 20%/3.25". The Gen 3 had the 20%/3.75". The Gen 3 had 17psi, I don't have the data on the Gen 2 boost. What the info provided is that even with .50" larger SC pulley, which normally results in LOWER power, it actually made 60RWHP MORE horsepower. Showing again, what everyone has witnessed, far more power with the Gen 3 than the Gen 2, even with a lower supercharger overdrive.

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[Whipple SC]

Don't think he wants to.

Clearly doesn't because multiple graphs have been posted with the pulley's being the same. Then one's where the Gen 3 had the larger pulley (less rpm) and he still doesn't get it. Yikes....:eyebulge:

 

[Whipple SC]

right if we want to see the true difference/gains going from gen2 to gen3 then pulleys have to stay the same! apples to apples.

IF you start changing pulley size then id certainly believe the boost psi will change. Plus the effeciency is different aswell.

Man asking for a comparison changing ONE variable at a time is impossible.

As previously posted, our own test on a 2017 F150. Only difference is the G2 vs G3 and much hotter as base test was in the morning, 2nd test later when it was hot, god ol Fresno heat. Same tune, same truck, same pulley, same day....

 

[superman07]

Do the whipple tunes use MAF / MAP or both?

Has anyone done a gt350 yet? I would expect the improvements to scale well with RPM.

 

[RockStang]

As previously posted, our own test on a 2017 F150. Only difference is the G2 vs G3 and much hotter as base test was in the morning, 2nd test later when it was hot, god ol Fresno heat. Same tune, same truck, same pulley, same day....

I know it's off topic but when are you guys coming out with something for the 2018 F150? Need to know if this Gen 2 will fit on it when I upgrade to Gen 3.

 

[gearhead2685]

I didn't do the test, nor trying to recover, passing along our dealers info. In fact, it was another poster that actually added the detail.

The Gen 2 had the 20%/3.25". The Gen 3 had the 20%/3.75". The Gen 3 had 17psi, I don't have the data on the Gen 2 boost. What the info provided is that even with .50" larger SC pulley, which normally results in LOWER power, it actually made 60RWHP MORE horsepower. Showing again, what everyone has witnessed, far more power with the Gen 3 than the Gen 2, even with a lower supercharger overdrive.

Agreed with 100% with what you are saying. Point I was talking about is that they were not both on 17psi as stated first.

Ones on 20%OD/3.25 and one is on 20%/3.75.

That being said yes i agree it would produce even more than 60hp IF the god damn pulley sizes matched. LOL

So I'll repeat it again since apparently others cant follow or get bent out of shape.

IF you put a 20%OD/3.25 on a gen3 what would the gains be? Obviously more than 60 hp with a 20%OD/3.75 but that would be a better APPLES to APPLES same/same pulley combo on both.

Instead of 60hp more like 80hp? 100hp? what?

Blows my mind asking for a same same comparison is so difficult here.

I will say I appreciate Whipples responses without being sarcastic pricks about it.

 

[gearhead2685]

I know it's off topic but when are you guys coming out with something for the 2018 F150? Need to know if this Gen 2 will fit on it when I upgrade to Gen 3.

They showed the 2018 Mustang setuos at sema.

http://www.fordnxt.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2017-3-0-liter-whipple-gen-5-2018-coyote-blower/

Thats the F150 and Mustang articles for 2018s

 

[LethalPerformance]

Do the whipple tunes use MAF / MAP or both?

Has anyone done a gt350 yet? I would expect the improvements to scale well with RPM.

Our GT350 runs a G2 setup. I believe we'll be testing the G3 for Dustin as well. Stay tuned! :cheers:

 

[LethalPerformance]

I know it's off topic but when are you guys coming out with something for the 2018 F150? Need to know if this Gen 2 will fit on it when I upgrade to Gen 3.

We should be releasing the 2018 F150 here shortly. As soon as we have all of the info we'll be sure to make everyone aware. :cheers:

 

[LethalPerformance]

Prototype F150 manifolds. Droppin that exclusive Whipple goodness once again!!

 

[F1scamp]

Agreed with 100% with what you are saying. Point I was talking about is that they were not both on 17psi as stated first.

Ones on 20%OD/3.25 and one is on 20%/3.75.

That being said yes i agree it would produce even more than 60hp IF the god damn pulley sizes matched. LOL

So I'll repeat it again since apparently others cant follow or get bent out of shape.

IF you put a 20%OD/3.25 on a gen3 what would the gains be? Obviously more than 60 hp with a 20%OD/3.75 but that would be a better APPLES to APPLES same/same pulley combo on both.

Instead of 60hp more like 80hp? 100hp? what?

Blows my mind asking for a same same comparison is so difficult here.

I will say I appreciate Whipples responses without being sarcastic pricks about it.

Spinning the gen3 that hard with the same 20%/3.25 would produce more boost than the gen2 20%/3.25 because the restriction (Engine) is the same, the supercharger is more efficient, thus shoving more air into said restriction. This would likely result in parts hanging out the bottom of the engine. You say it is an apples to apples comparison but it isn't.. Spinning the blower to the same restriction point (psi of boost) is more accurate of a comparison, and that's what everybody has been trying to tell you for the last 10yrs.

 

[gearhead2685]

Spinning the gen3 that hard with the same 20%/3.25 would produce more boost than the gen2 20%/3.25 because the restriction (Engine) is the same, the supercharger is more efficient, thus shoving more air into said restriction. This would likely result in parts hanging out the bottom of the engine. You say it is an apples to apples comparison but it isn't.. Spinning the blower to the same restriction point (psi of boost) is more accurate of a comparison, and that's what everybody has been trying to tell you for the last 10yrs.

(deep breath) here we go again lets back track shall we.

[MENTION=18543]Boduke0220[/MENTION] post #111

"Just as a footnote......the gen 3 made 60hp more over the same combo with 1/2" less pulley at the same boost. We have another car that went 9.30@150 with a 3.25 and 20% lower makes 17lbs, this car makes the same boost with a gen 3 and a 3.75 upper."

Didnt state that BOTH had 20%OD thats why i asked how can both be on 17psi then?

[MENTION=13288]Whipple SC[/MENTION] said both had the 20%OD

in post #124.

I agreed with him in #136 it makes 60whp more on .5" less pulley

So I asked what would it make with same pulleys in post #141

Yes i realize same pulley on gen2 vs same pulley on gen3 will be different boost. I wanted to know what the gains would be running same size not same boost.

 

[pro 5.0]

They should have tested both blowers with the 3.750 pulley as that is what the kits ship with standard.

 

[F1scamp]

(deep breath) here we go again lets back track shall we.

[MENTION=18543]Boduke0220[/MENTION] post #111

"Just as a footnote......the gen 3 made 60hp more over the same combo with 1/2" less pulley at the same boost. We have another car that went 9.30@150 with a 3.25 and 20% lower makes 17lbs, this car makes the same boost with a gen 3 and a 3.75 upper."

Didnt state that BOTH had 20%OD thats why i asked how can both be on 17psi then?

[MENTION=13288]Whipple SC[/MENTION] said both had the 20%OD

in post #124.

I agreed with him in #136 it makes 60whp more on .5" less pulley

So I asked what would it make with same pulleys in post #141

Yes i realize same pulley on gen2 vs same pulley on gen3 will be different boost. I wanted to know what the gains would be running same size not same boost.

Parts on the dyno floor. Buy a gen2 and a gen3, and test it out.

 

[gearhead2685]

They should have tested both blowers with the 3.750 pulley as that is what the kits ship with standard.

Holy crap you settle down with that logic!!!!

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