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[Mustang_Lou]

Ah ok, I must've missed the fact that the engine didn't in fact blow up on the spot and thus became undriveable, meaning the same gas was in the tank.


Too bad but yeah like Black Dog sez, "so many variables" and the engine possibly being flawed from the factory is 1 of those variables meaning everyone crapping on Livernois is jumping the gun. No one knows anything DEFINITIVELY YET so finger blaming is pre-mature.

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[Roh92cp]

I hope to get advice from members here. About 4 months ago Livernois Motorsports installed their LMS675 package on my 18K mile 2015 Mustang GT automatic. They also installed OPG/Sprocket at the same time.

The car had some drivablity issues from the beginning. I contacted them within a few weeks from the install. Made a lot of torque/power, but backfired a few times. Would kinda jerk. I called them several times stating my issues. Took it there about a month or so ago and they kept the car for 2 weeks to drive it. Put 120 miles on the car and said it had a "random rev limiter" issue.
Drivability issues from the start with random backfires sounds like something else besides bad gas. They kept the car for 2 weeks and the only thing they came up with was bad gas or random rev limiter issue.
I got the car back and it got progressively worse. I took it there 2 weeks ago. The salesman said the engine is bad. There is blowby in the crankcase.
Now the engine fails and LMS gets it back and says oops, engine is FUBAR.

I don't live near there so yesterday after keeping the car a week and a half, we had a conference call with the business manager/calibrater/salesmen. They were respectful and seemingly straightforward. Bottom line is that I need a new short block or rebuild. Probably a bad piston/ring. They said the heads are likely good.

They are saying I likely had a bad tank of gas. Is this possible?
Not a good excuse, and what happened to the random rev limiter issue they said it had, whatever that is?
Tomorrow they are giving me a quote on an installed forged shortblock.

I never raced the engine. Car ran perfectly before. They are saying they installed 75 of these exact setups in the last several years with zero issues.

Any information you can supply will help in my decision to have them fix it or get the car back. They make a pretty strong case for bad gas.

Seems to me the OP did everything he should have to get LMS to correct or fix something the designed installed and calibrated. This would chap my ass if this would have happened to me. I don't get where some people here can't see where LMS has a responsibility to make this right and not up charge the customer for engine work on their system. This was a relatively new install 4 month and issues with drivability reported from the start with backfire issues.

 

[Black Dog]

Seems to me the OP did everything he should have to get LMS to correct or fix something the designed installed and calibrated. This would chap my ass if this would have happened to me. I don't get where some people here can't see where LMS has a responsibility to make this right and not up charge the customer for engine work on their system. This was a relatively new install 4 month and issues with drivability reported from the start with backfire issues.

If car ran great from the get go. Why was it not brought to their attention immediately. Not hard to see a car with tuning issues right away. Their are so many variables here that to just say it is a bad build well..........is irresponsible on your part. Again. It could of been a bad build,bad gas and so on. But it is so hard to prove. LMS seems to have a good history. Could they have made a mistake? Of course they could of but me being a small business owner I have seen the finger pointed at my work in the past then I have to show the customer in detail what the problem is and the the "Oh I see what you are saying now and sorry for accusing you" I love it when I see a customer back up and see the light. Again, not on LMS or OPs side. But to say that you cannot see LMS has a responsibility tells me you don't understand the situation.

 

[Roh92cp]

If car ran great from the get go. Why was it not brought to their attention immediately. Not hard to see a car with tuning issues right away. Their are so many variables here that to just say it is a bad build well..........is irresponsible on your part. Again. It could of been a bad build,bad gas and so on. But it is so hard to prove. LMS seems to have a good history. Could they have made a mistake? Of course they could of but me being a small business owner I have seen the finger pointed at my work in the past then I have to show the customer in detail what the problem is and the the "Oh I see what you are saying now and sorry for accusing you" I love it when I see a customer back up and see the light. Again, not on LMS or OPs side. But to say that you cannot see LMS has a responsibility tells me you don't understand the situation.

You and me both are taking information second hand here and making an assessment. Are you saying you understand the situation more clearly or have first hand knowledge more than others. I get that your a business owner and have been subject to scrutiny that may or may not be unfair at times, but that's the business today.

OP said he made them aware of issues from the start and he seems to be very level headed and patient, which lends to his creditability. LMS had the car for 2 weeks after and only came up with bad gas or random rev limiter issue (whatever that means) and then gave it back to customer and issue got worse and engine damage occurred. If this is the case then it doesn't look good for LMS in my book and I wouldn't be happy with them either. True it could be unrelated to LMS intall and or calibration, but things changed according to OP only after install so they had the last hands on his car. I suspect there is much more than we know here, all we have to go off is the OP's side since LMS really hasn't said much, but what they have said doesn't make sense. Really bad gas or random rev limiter issue sound like a gaff.

 

[Roh92cp]

Roh92cp, did u immediately blame whipple when ur “opg failed”? Cause they told me replacing opg was not needed

Not even close to the same thing. Let's keep this real.

 

[Roh92cp]

Let’s keep this real, we don’t even know what failed yet but ur putting blame on lms.every tvs thread that pops up u jump in and shit all over it. Gotta keep this fair to the company and to the op. Good luck to the op, I think you’ve handled this situation correctly. Shit happens gotta pay to play

I don't even know you, and you say I've been shitting on TVS threads here. Stop trolling me man. Really this forum used to have some cool people, but now seems like everyone just want to fight.

 

[racingmason]

Seems to me the OP did everything he should have to get LMS to correct or fix something the designed installed and calibrated. This would chap my ass if this would have happened to me. I don't get where some people here can't see where LMS has a responsibility to make this right and not up charge the customer for engine work on their system. This was a relatively new install 4 month and issues with drivability reported from the start with backfire issues.

Not a dig at anyone involved in this but some common sense and reasoning can be applied here.

Then the OP should have tailored it there immediately after the first issue and taken then for a ride in it while data logging the cat to identify the issue, instead of driving it around for quite some time. Businesses should not be liable for customers not following up with problems. LMS or any business can not drop what they are doing at that very minute to help you. You get a check engine light on your car, the Ford dealer isn't going to say bring it in right now and we will check it out this moment. They will schedule you as soon as the next available appointment is open and then look at it. If the car wasnt driving right maybe the best choice was to not drive it contact LMS and tell them it is undriveable in its present form. Hoping the OP only fills up at a top tier gas station instead of marathon. All gasoline is not the same.

I have also seen people get a supercharger installed and complain it does not drive like the stock car on the stock tune. Obviously, it's not going to but some people need expectation management ahead of time.

If I could get that short block installed for that price I'd take it in a heartbeat. Trying to best the Panda Cars MT82 ET is starting to get expensive.

 

[DavidHuff]

Well, LMS never called as they "promised". So I emailed them late today. My salesman emailed me back saying they were busy doing my quote.

I have been in business for most of my life and I cannot understand the lack of focus on a concerned customers problem. I just don't get it.

So, he is supposed to contact me Monday. Another weekend gone. I do not embelish but I have over 20 emails, 2 2 week visits and a lack of concern about my immediate concerns on the car.

So, lets say they did not cause the problem, which I doubt, the customer service attitude is terrible. I would want my customer to know exactly what is wrong, which LMS has not done. Heck, I could put a compression tester on each cylinder, found the bad cylinders. Then squirt oil in to see if it is piston/ring related or something.

I cannot believe they are so unresponsive. I have been more than patient.

If they treat customers like this, what are the mechanics like?

How can they give you a Quote to repair your motor if they never have removed the motor and taken the motor apart?Just Saying

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Well its puffing out of the oil fill and breather cap so we know for a fact something is hurt internally, while we could give a quote to just repair the engine, we are already going to have the engine out and apart and we know the application is boosted so instead of putting weak factory components back in it would make more sense to build a stronger block while we are already in there.

 

[JennyStang]

Roh92cp, did u immediately blame whipple when ur “opg failed”? Cause they told me replacing opg was not needed

Hahahahaha dead bro. That’s Hilarious.

Not even close to the same thing. Let's keep this real.

Not the same issue he said. Your opg failed since you put the Whipple blower on it and Whipple said “it’s not needed” we beat this shat out of our tester car with stock opg and never had a failure. :eyebulge::headbonk: you just happened to be the first I guess. But not one bad thing about Whipple it’s so funny bra

 

[Roh92cp]

Hahahahaha dead bro. That’s Hilarious.




Not the same issue he said. Your opg failed since you put the Whipple blower on it and Whipple said “it’s not needed” we beat this shat out of our tester car with stock opg and never had a failure. :eyebulge::headbonk: you just happened to be the first I guess. But not one bad thing about Whipple it’s so funny bra

I'll tell I wasn't laughing when the low oil pressure warning light came on at 6500 rpm:eyebulge: Most likely my failure was due to having stock OPG but aftermarket balancer. It's been learned since that the stock gears live longer on the stock balancer. Aftermarket balancers change the resonance to lower RPM and are harder on that powered gear shit they put in these cars. In the end I swapped my motor for $5200 shipped long block from White Bear lake Ford. Did the install myself and sold my heads for extra cash. No one to blame there but myself for playing the OPG lottery and making matters worse with aftermarket balancer.

 

[Crackerjack17]

Well its puffing out of the oil fill and breather cap so we know for a fact something is hurt internally, while we could give a quote to just repair the engine, we are already going to have the engine out and apart and we know the application is boosted so instead of putting weak factory components back in it would make more sense to build a stronger block while we are already in there.

Yep. And since it was still running, it will probably will end up being like mine, cracked ring lands. Mine ran smooth and quiet. puffed out the oil cap and low compression in 7 & 8.

 

[Dennisn]

A lot of people saying what if it wasn’t lms’ fault.

What if it was?????? What if the tune was on the edge, what if it was bad gas but the tune didn’t pull timing like it should have????

You guys are probably the same guys saying opgs aren’t needed. Then when someone breaks them it’s their fault and don’t blame so and so. Pay to play blah blah blah.

Here’s the other note, Livernois is building the motor for 750rwhp? Many have been running 800 plus for a long time without issues on stock internals with opgs/CS. This one lasted not even a month?

 

[JennyStang]

A lot of people saying what if it wasn’t lms’ fault.

What if it was?????? What if the tune was on the edge, what if it was bad gas but the tune didn’t pull timing like it should have????

You guys are probably the same guys saying opgs aren’t needed. Then when someone breaks them it’s their fault and don’t blame so and so. Pay to play blah blah blah.

Here’s the other note, Livernois is building the motor for 750rwhp? Many have been running 800 plus for a long time without issues on stock internals with opgs/CS. This one lasted not even a month?

I have the same set up. First person to get it, 20k miles in it and I beat the loving shit out of it with stock opg and I hit the limter all the time. NOT ONE engine issue. His car messed up from factory or just finally blew from the boost shit happens. A boosted car is a ticking time bomb

 

[Mustang_Lou]

A lot of people saying what if it wasn’t lms’ fault.

What if it was?????? What if the tune was on the edge, what if it was bad gas but the tune didn’t pull timing like it should have????

The issue is pointing the finger at LMS by a lot of people BEFORE it's even been determined, if possible, what happened. People are playing the judge before any evidence at all has been proven EITHER WAY.

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