What do we know about the 2018?

[Spartan]

Okay, I know I mention engines quite a bit when it comes to 2018. But I had a thought about it last night.

Looking at Camaro, we know it has a I4-V6-V8 lineup and Mustang currently has V6-I4-V8 lineup for 2017. As far as I'm concerned, the 3.7L is gone after this MY. But from a buyers standpoint and to align itself with Camaro, why not add a EBV6 in the middle to give Mustang the same basic engine lineup as Camaro? Completely disregarding tunes and aftermarket, keep the EB at its current power figures, and offer an optional EBV6 for a set price; just like the V6 is an optional extra on Camaro. That gives you two basic and standard Mustang models (GT350, GT500, and Mach 1 aside), the EB and GT, but three engine options. :shrug:

My other theory is Ford could pull a "1969" on us, so to speak, and make the Mach 1 what the GT is now, with performance bits and upgrades from the GT350, and make the GT an EBV6. But that's more of a stretch.

Anything new powertrain-wise is what's keeping me waiting for 2018.

Well you have the EB slotted at 310 or so and the GT at 435. You have a good gap or so there....but in order for the 2.7 or 3.5 to get in there, the GT would have to be bumped up to 455 or so.

Like I've said on here, Ford really d--ked over the V6 crowd. That's a great engine and for someone who doesn't want a V8 or turbo it's the perfect between. Hopefully we see the EB6 sooner or later. I'd still rather have a 6 then 4 in the Mustang.

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[K-Roll302]

Well you have the EB slotted at 310 or so and the GT at 435. You have a good gap or so there....but in order for the 2.7 or 3.5 to get in there, the GT would have to be bumped up to 455 or so.

Like I've said on here, Ford really d--ked over the V6 crowd. That's a great engine and for someone who doesn't want a V8 or turbo it's the perfect between. Hopefully we see the EB6 sooner or later. I'd still rather have a 6 then 4 in the Mustang.

I've heard from a friend at Ford a couple years ago that the 3.5 simply cannot fit in the current far as is. If anything, the 2.7 would be perfect as a mid motor. Keep the 4 at 310hp, make the 6 350-375hp, and bump the V8 up to at least 450-475hp, and it can work. I too, would rather a 6 than another 4, I've had nothing but 4s, V8s are expensive and seemingly unattainable, and I want something different.

 

[Spartan]

I've heard from a friend at Ford a couple years ago that the 3.5 simply cannot fit in the current far as is. If anything, the 2.7 would be perfect as a mid motor. Keep the 4 at 310hp, make the 6 350-375hp, and bump the V8 up to at least 450-475hp, and it can work. I too, would rather a 6 than another 4, I've had nothing but 4s, V8s are expensive and seemingly unattainable, and I want something different.

I wish Ford would have gone the Chevy route and done the V6 right and made it the mid model and tuned it and put the 4 at the bottom and just left it at around 275 hp.

Reading just how the EB's aren't reliable, the issues with them and just other sites saying that Ford's EB just are trouble waiting to happen and the MPGs on them just aren't realistic, it would have been much better to slot the V6 in there.

Makes me wonder if the EB 3.5 IF it ever makes it will be reliable or if we'll just get the 2.7 EB 6 cylinder. That just worries me even more...

 

[e30og]

Okay, I know I mention engines quite a bit when it comes to 2018. But I had a thought about it last night.

Looking at Camaro, we know it has a I4-V6-V8 lineup and Mustang currently has V6-I4-V8 lineup for 2017. As far as I'm concerned, the 3.7L is gone after this MY. But from a buyers standpoint and to align itself with Camaro, why not add a EBV6 in the middle to give Mustang the same basic engine lineup as Camaro? Completely disregarding tunes and aftermarket, keep the EB at its current power figures, and offer an optional EBV6 for a set price; just like the V6 is an optional extra on Camaro. That gives you two basic and standard Mustang models (GT350, GT500, and Mach 1 aside), the EB and GT, but three engine options. :shrug:

My other theory is Ford could pull a "1969" on us, so to speak, and make the Mach 1 what the GT is now, with performance bits and upgrades from the GT350, and make the GT an EBV6. But that's more of a stretch.

Anything new powertrain-wise is what's keeping me waiting for 2018.

Veeery interesting

Still holding out for an eb v6 that isn't 7k more than the 2.3 like the GT is

Of course the biggest letdown would be if everything stayed exactly the same except a small power bump

 

[Spartan]

Veeery interesting

Still holding out for an eb v6 that isn't 7k more than the 2.3 like the GT is

Of course the biggest letdown would be if everything stayed exactly the same except a small power bump

Honestly I have a feeling nothing is changing in 2017 other then a small HP bump to the EB and GT and the front/rear refresh.

Since they bumped the S650 production up to release in 2020 that means you'll probably not see any new engines till then which makes sense because they will be going most likely to almost all aluminum and much lighter like the Camaro did. The S650 will be what the G6 Camaro did in materials/weight/handling/etc.

 

[DMRD]

I wish Ford would have gone the Chevy route and done the V6 right and made it the mid model and tuned it and put the 4 at the bottom and just left it at around 275 hp.

Reading just how the EB's aren't reliable, the issues with them and just other sites saying that Ford's EB just are trouble waiting to happen and the MPGs on them just aren't realistic, it would have been much better to slot the V6 in there.

Makes me wonder if the EB 3.5 IF it ever makes it will be reliable or if we'll just get the 2.7 EB 4 cylinder. That just worries me even more...

The EBs, in general, have been pretty reliable engines. Almost every vehicle in Ford's lineup has an EB option. The 3.5 EB has proven to be a powerful engine and a great addition to the F150s. Everyone always says turbo engines are trouble waiting to happen, most people are still waiting. There have been a few instances of the new 2.3 EB blowing up, but there have also been instances of the new voodoo engine doing the same. The number of EB failures is far too low to claim it has reliability issues. My experience with the 2.3 EB is it is a phenomenal little engine that makes plenty of power.

To speak on your point of realistic MPGs, I'm getting exactly what the sticker says I should be getting for mixed driving. I do a decent bit of city driving, a lot of highway driving, and all of it is highly spirited. The last road trip I took with the car resulted in a 32 MPG average for the whole trip. So the MPG figures aren't crap, but you can get significantly less miles per gallon than expected if you keep it in boost all of the time.

I do agree with you on the lineup. Ford should have allowed for the v6 to have better options.

The 2.7 is a v6, not a 4 cylinder. I would love to see that engine make its way to the Mustang. I would be incredibly tempted to trade my 2.3 EB on a 2.7 EB if I was given the chance and the price wasn't so high that a GT would be only slightly more.

 

[Spartan]

The EBs, in general, have been pretty reliable engines. Almost every vehicle in Ford's lineup has an EB option. The 3.5 EB has proven to be a powerful engine and a great addition to the F150s. Everyone always says turbo engines are trouble waiting to happen, most people are still waiting. There have been a few instances of the new 2.3 EB blowing up, but there have also been instances of the new voodoo engine doing the same. The number of EB failures is far too low to claim it has reliability issues. My experience with the 2.3 EB is it is a phenomenal little engine that makes plenty of power.

To speak on your point of realistic MPGs, I'm getting exactly what the sticker says I should be getting for mixed driving. I do a decent bit of city driving, a lot of highway driving, and all of it is highly spirited. The last road trip I took with the car resulted in a 32 MPG average for the whole trip. So the MPG figures aren't crap, but you can get significantly less miles per gallon than expected if you keep it in boost all of the time.

I do agree with you on the lineup. Ford should have allowed for the v6 to have better options.

The 2.7 is a v6, not a 4 cylinder. I would love to see that engine make its way to the Mustang. I would be incredibly tempted to trade my 2.3 EB on a 2.7 EB if I was given the chance and the price wasn't so high that a GT would be only slightly more.

I think the 2.7 would be the sweet spot for this car IF they could get the weight down. They badly missed the mark on this lb promise. Unfortunately that will have to "weight" till the S650.

In terms of the reliability, the big thing is the # of problems per brand has shot up due to the 4 cylinder turbo engines...especially the American brands. But you're going to get that with any new tech. I still wish they'd just stick with the NA engines. My Explorer sport has over 200K now and has never had a single issue with the engine.

 

[RNMAAS]

The more I think about it the more it makes sense to me that they slot the EB 2.7 between the EB 2.4 and the GT. Here are the hp/torque/fuel economy numbers:

EB 2.4 310/320/25
EB 2.7 335/380/21 (from Navigator MKX with no fuel economy penalty over the 3.7)
GT 5.0 435/400/19

The EB 2.7 is made in the same manufacturing plant as the 3.7, which makes an easy switch from a production standpoint.

Which would make the EB 2.4 the base car.

So maybe the 3.7 V6 will be going away to be replaced by the EB 2.7 V6.

 

[Bullitt]

The more I think about it the more it makes sense to me that they slot the EB 2.7 between the EB 2.4 and the GT. Here are the hp/torque/fuel economy numbers:

EB 2.4 310/320/25
EB 2.7 335/380/21 (from Navigator MKX with no fuel economy penalty over the 3.7)
GT 5.0 435/400/19

The EB 2.7 is made in the same manufacturing plant as the 3.7, which makes an easy switch from a production standpoint.

Which would make the EB 2.4 the base car.

So maybe the 3.7 V6 will be going away to be replaced by the EB 2.7 V6.

That makes a lot of sense. One interesting development with the 3.7 is that we know now it will be the base engine in the new Continental. This could go one of two ways. Either they delete the 3.7 option for the Mustang and use that production capacity to put it into the Continental instead; or the idea of the 3.7 being introduced in this brand new model means that Ford doesn't plan to abandon the 3.7 for a while still and will keep it in the Mustang for the rest of the S550 platform.

 

[wildsailor]

I wish Ford would have gone the Chevy route and done the V6 right and made it the mid model and tuned it and put the 4 at the bottom and just left it at around 275 hp.

Reading just how the EB's aren't reliable, the issues with them and just other sites saying that Ford's EB just are trouble waiting to happen and the MPGs on them just aren't realistic, it would have been much better to slot the V6 in there.

Makes me wonder if the EB 3.5 IF it ever makes it will be reliable or if we'll just get the 2.7 EB 6 cylinder. That just worries me even more...

If you do not want an I4 Ecoboost then don't buy one but don't you ever suggest that it be detuned because you don't like where it is positioned in the lineup. Detuned and Mustang should never be used in the same sentence! ;)

 

[Spartan]

If you do not want an I4 Ecoboost then don't buy one but don't you ever suggest that it be detuned because you don't like where it is positioned in the lineup. Detuned and Mustang should never be used in the same sentence! ;)

That's what they did to the NA V6 ...detuned it to make it worse then the EB.

They could have just slotted the 2.0 or 2.3 EB as the entry and not tuned them and then got the 2.7 in there for the mid model.

 

[BobbyGT]

I really highly doubt any major changes are coming to the 2018 model. The s650 (next gen) goes into production in 2020 and releases 2021.

I do believe that minor weight savings, and most likely a power pack (just intake and tune) will be added to the 2018 GT, which will also be available for purchase for us 15,16,17 owners.

also 10 speed auto for ecoboost

 

[Spartan]

I really highly doubt any major changes are coming to the 2018 model. The s650 (next gen) goes into production in 2020 and releases 2021.

I do believe that minor weight savings, and most likely a power pack (just intake and tune) will be added to the 2018 GT, which will also be available for purchase for us 15,16,17 owners.

also 10 speed auto for ecoboost

I'm inclined to agree with you on any major changes especially engines. More I think about it...I bet Ford just waits on the 2.7 till the lighter new Mustang coming in the S650.

But I think the fascia refresh is obviously coming along with possibly the 10 speed in 2017 but honestly I could see Ford just waiting on the 10 speed.

Also the S650 hits in the fall of 2020. S550 last day is April of 2020. Production of the S650 begins in May of 2020.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...up-production-of-the-next-generation-mustang/

 

[Bullitt]

I expect it to be like the 2012 to 2013 refresh. 8 more hp, slightly updated interior and new front and back. But the 2013 refresh was awesome and I'm hoping the 2018 refresh does the same.

 

[EXP Jawa]

I expect it to be like the 2012 to 2013 refresh. 8 more hp, slightly updated interior and new front and back. But the 2013 refresh was awesome and I'm hoping the 2018 refresh does the same.

This is also what I'm expecting, more or less. Even with S650 looming out there, this refresh will include three model years ('18, '19 & '20), so its worth it to Ford to keep the car fresh in the customers' eyes. That splits S550 evenly into two 3-MY versions.

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