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[BlueCollarDaily]

SHOTS FIRED!

Wait till his pops with 170 IAT, no that's right it will pull timing down to 4 degrees hehe......
It's easy to point fingers at where the quarterback should have thrown the ball when you been sitting on the bench a year while he been playing.....

My car will ass rape that Roush btw.....we can do it and correct for DA depending on where you live....

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[brucelinc]

By the way, our state bird is the Loon. We like our Loons. It is OK to be a Loon.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

By the way, our state bird is the Loon. We like our Loons. It is OK to be a Loon.

Haha damn.....well you win then.....cause I guess I had a Looney Tune.....lol

 

[Stymee]

Engine failures, they cant help it the engine is a piece of shit. Each one I had trouble getting an allocation for because each batch made be literally sells out in days. For instance this last engine on a Friday they had 10 by the following monday 4 by wed none....these things are popping bone stock at a staggering rate when you dig in, sample and get to know some techs....

However your right Roush is slow and Edelbrock tries to give you to much but they spent over 20k making it right...in the end I lowered the boost and have a superior product I'm happy with. 14psi is to much, I applaud them for trying though....took me a while to put the blame where it goes....Patriot seen with his 3.75 tune the EB is just about right....

If I'm being truthful and not argumentative my cats are why my engines failed though ;) its absolutely not the tune its fine....

Forst off that’s your opinion, second you never raced your car, 3rd you have a EB tune and a Lund tune (Your Warranty is void), 4th you removed the warranty pulley off your EB (Your warranty is void)

I don’t care what you say let’s get the EB tech on here and ask him point blank, I SAY YOUR WARRANTY IS VOID.

Now NO ONE said the EB or the Whipple wasn’t superior, (They are) but that’s only when it’s CUSTOM TUNED, the POS Roush kit in canned tune has gone 10.88, NOT ONE EB that I’ve seen on here has gone 10 ANYTHING IN CANNED TUNING

The whipple has many times, it also killed a few engines too? So bad LFP doesn't sell it without custom tuning?

We aren’t arguing, just having a discussion. No one is more scatter brained than me buddy, but u ramble a bit too, I guess we’re both nuts.

Enjoy your car, that’s the bottom line

 

[Stymee]

Wait till his pops with 170 IAT, no that's right it will pull timing down to 4 degrees hehe......
It's easy to point fingers at where the quarterback should have thrown the ball when you been sitting on the bench a year while he been playing.....

My car will ass rape that Roush btw.....we can do it and correct for DA depending on where you live....

Thats ok, can’t always be the fastest

Patriot 6 said the car was bit better running the larger pulley but still SUCKED on the warranty tune, it’s custom tuned by Lund now so again saying it’s okay is a bit untrue. It needed tuning to be right, FACT.

I may not go as fast as a CUSTOM NO WARRANTY TUNED EB but I can tell u I know how to drag race, my car only goes to rentals, I hate 150 asshats in Honda’s crowding the lanes

I’ll pull to the font of the lanes, pop the hood, let the car cool down, wait til the lanes are FREE, make a pass and the then sit again (Just like I would’ve if I was racing my 9 Sec Nova)

10 anything in my POS Roush, no weight reduction street car on pump 93 (No boostane) with a warranty and I’ll have a big grin on my face.

It may not happen, hoping for the best, and I feel the same about you, I hope your troubles are over and u enjoy the car

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

I definitely ramble lol.....

My daughter will be induced tomorrow and when that stabilizes I'll get you the 10s on both tunes...not in Atco air either....

Technically I run out of warranty after the first issue because their is a cap limit ( yours is lower by Roush, in fact I know the exact cost of a replacement engine thru Ford done by Ford and the Roush warranty doesnt provide enough to cover it, EB cut them a $10,055 check I paid for nothing not even the things your supposed to in the fine print of the warranty). The Roush gives up at 12,500 total Edelbrock at 16,500 total, so they have been warranting my car when they didnt have to a while now, despite my ignorant bad mouthing they have stood behind it to the tune of more like 25k....and still do...though if this engine failed I was given my core and I'm just building it from scratch.....

Warranty isnt a paper or Edelbrock tech on here, its ONE man and one only there and so far he has shot straight even when I wasnt the Kindest. If I made a claim on say the trans it would be his and his decision alone same as it would be for any new claim...so in effect your right I'm out of warranty and was an engine ago literally.....they didnt have to by strictly honoring their legal warranty document have to put the last engine in or let me keep my core to build....stellar company. They just as perplexed as we are why this ONE particular engine is failing at the rates they are across their entire supercharger division all makes and models its highest by far post 17 coyote....

Their only mistake is trying to provide the customer to much power, to much boost on 13-14psi is simply to much for a 12 to 1 compression engine with cast pistons flopping around in a bore of which said bores thermal expansion cant be matched by any cast piston, on 93 octane...

I and others are slowly convincing them the 3.75 is the way to go your still as fast or faster than your rivals in the market segment as such many whom go there like me are enjoying success, I think we will see it standard soon....they have no way to know what pulley I use as my seal was broken for the upgrade, however I'm sure they are more than happy for me to run 2 less PSI...and I'm more than happy with the results of doing so....I believe this will be the future and I believe in the same spirit I approached the other failures they would warranty my trans if it failed even though technically I'm way over the money cap....in fact I'm certain they will......

As we seen from the great work of Patriot Six the Lund tune isnt much more HP/TQ than the 91 EB tune much less the 93...so it all washes out perfectly dropping the boost with a 3.75 but it not pulling as much timing....

There are literally things I prefer about the EB tune for daily driving but obviously no one beats Lund....however I'll run both back to back same track same day and get use those answers let me get the family settled....I don't mind doing it for posterity...

That said we have to see if the Roush failure rate goes up with the power, however for me it was to weak before ( and didnt have a door open for me to say screw it and buy the now available 113mm TB for the Edelbrock and got at 1000 wheel if I chose ect ), had THIS phase 2 existed a year ago I'd have likely given it a try especially when I was new to the platform and new to the options available for it....60ftlbs extra is nothing to sneeze at. In my state my nearest dealer that would do it is almost 2.5hrs from me and they wanted a high price and all maintenance had to be done by them that they kind of priced theirselves out and if not that the inconvenience factor was staggering....for others in hindsight a year later I absolutely understand their decision to try the new phase 2....I vendor 1 point of contact for service and warranty with a name that will resale better I absolutley get it....

I'm in a good place with my car once the Rodent damage that occured when I had my shop built is fixed....I'm more than content with the power is absolutely dangerous as is even deboosted, I'm so very happy with the balance of power and functionality right now...do wish it hadn't taken a nightmare journey to get here but even that just accelerated a learning curve, I've never learned anything in life when things went well so I am grateful it forced a trail by fire ( only positive way to look at it ).

That said there is ZERO doubt it will run 10s either tune not any( we see the difference is not 18hp from the 91tune to the Lund and I'll be on the 93 tune which I already know the timing and lambda it gives it's not that much different and I know how to manually leave in second as well was doing it for s while before Lund made it easy) , and not in Atco air either we talking probably 1800DA when I go....its an absolute monster from what it was stage 1 and that was quick I didnt have the 126mph cutoff issue the other guy did...any more power than this is literally dangerous on my 305 Nittos....

I wish you both luck, I may sell my car for a loss and get a new one when they do the 0% again with a Roush get just like it if both of you are running fine with no issues in the 10s adjusted for normal US average...1200-1500 DA....it rarely gets under 1000DA here with enough heat in the track to grip...

I actually truly do hope the best for both of you, I wouldnt wish my first year of Mustang ownership on my worst enemy from the rattles to the rats.....I got my core and a shop now I will build it soon and then I can get real aggressive if I want....

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

Thats ok, can’t always be the fastest

Patriot 6 said the car was bit better running the larger pulley but still SUCKED on the warranty tune, it’s custom tuned by Lund now so again saying it’s okay is a bit untrue. It needed tuning to be right, FACT.

I may not go as fast as a CUSTOM NO WARRANTY TUNED EB but I can tell u I know how to drag race, my car only goes to rentals, I hate 150 asshats in Honda’s crowding the lanes

I’ll pull to the font of the lanes, pop the hood, let the car cool down, wait til the lanes are FREE, make a pass and the then sit again (Just like I would’ve if I was racing my 9 Sec Nova)

10 anything in my POS Roush, no weight reduction street car on pump 93 (No boostane) with a warranty and I’ll have a big grin on my face.

It may not happen, hoping for the best, and I feel the same about you, I hope your troubles are over and u enjoy the car

Patriot admitted to me when he did the orifice tweaking and the 3.75 the 93 EB was quite passable which it is but obviously nothing is as good as remote lund tune except an onsite dyno and street drive LUND tune hehe....

I'll just burn you down at the light.....
And I have a 1200HP F1A-94 procharged home built BBC with garage built one off sequential multiport injected street ram intake with garage built reverse topped 102mm TB( cause you know they didnt make a boss 302 oe Holley hi ram for a big bore, long rod, short stroke 440ci 7500rpm BBC so had to build it) using home built 4l80e with OD and billet lock up converter that can cruise getting 25mpg in lean burn with sequential injection playing with phasing controlled wirelessly via MS3 Ultimate with trans and engine tied together via canbus, driving to and from the track for years if the Nova needs a Huckleberry....and its all my design tuned and built by me...

What's funny is I was remote tuning a car in Texas last week while waiting on a revision for mine haha that sucks ( I also hated to tell the guy his trans is going out) ....

 

[brucelinc]

The following comment is not aimed at anyone in particular....but just an observation.

It seems that most people who discuss or argue about FI always end up with "mine is faster than yours." Of course, the primary reason to go with FI is to have more power. However, for me, there is much more to consider than just how fast it is. If really "fast" was my goal, I would have a custom tuned Whipple with upgraded OPGs and supporting driveline and suspension mods.

Things that are important to me besides the power include perfect drivability, reasonable engine safety, some warranty protection, minimal increase in NVH, simplicity and convenience of the purchase/installation process, no need for other driveline mods, potential resale value and total cost.

I am willing to give up some performance to have these other things. I do not expect everyone to have the same goals as I do.

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

The following comment is not aimed at anyone in particular....but just an observation.

It seems that most people who discuss or argue about FI always end up with "mine is faster than yours." Of course, the primary reason to go with FI is to have more power. However, for me, there is much more to consider than just how fast it is. If really "fast" was my goal, I would have a custom tuned Whipple with upgraded OPGs and supporting driveline and suspension mods.

Things that are important to me besides the power include perfect drivability, reasonable engine safety, some warranty protection, minimal increase in NVH, simplicity and convenience of the purchase/installation process, no need for other driveline mods, potential resale value and total cost.

I am willing to give up some performance to have these other things. I do not expect everyone to have the same goals as I do.

I echo that with 2 caveats....
Obviously if ET was max concern it would be turbo....
The second being I do like the choice for my considerations to change without repurchasing of major components. I can buy the 113mm TB, go E85 and be thumping hard...while have $4000 more dollars in warranty than Roush. Also Edelbrock covers the diff and axles....
Also I guess a 3rd this option simply wasnt available a year ago and warranty starts at zero miles hence I wanted it on there as soon as I purchased the car.....

I have a feeling this new load out would be plenty for me as well just going with that old tech thats stretched to the limit using massive HE as a crutch when even Ford themselves flipped the rotors like everyone else, unless it was a significant discount would probably bother me enough to still buy the Edelbrock.

Being completely honest personally this amount of power wasnt available when I purchased or it would have been highly considered.....I suspect the same for each of you as you didnt already have the phase 1 on your cars?

 

[Stymee]

The following comment is not aimed at anyone in particular....but just an observation.

It seems that most people who discuss or argue about FI always end up with "mine is faster than yours." Of course, the primary reason to go with FI is to have more power. However, for me, there is much more to consider than just how fast it is. If really "fast" was my goal, I would have a custom tuned Whipple with upgraded OPGs and supporting driveline and suspension mods.

Things that are important to me besides the power include perfect drivability, reasonable engine safety, some warranty protection, minimal increase in NVH, simplicity and convenience of the purchase/installation process, no need for other driveline mods, potential resale value and total cost.

I am willing to give up some performance to have these other things. I do not expect everyone to have the same goals as I do.

For my Mustang after countless babbling posts and bothering tuners & shops I came to the decision I wanted EXACTLY what Bruce is describing, I can or could’ve gone OPG/CS, E85 and a whipple, I almost did but in the end I have 30 months left on my warranty, If I get my high 10 with good drivability outta of the Roush I’ll be very happy.

After 4yrs if I get bored with this car I think I’ll get a used C8 or GT500

I don’t know what your Camaro runs, but my Nova ran pretty good for a pump gas BB on small shot of juice. In 1984 I’d say that was pretty fast, simple build for a street car, now with FI and a engine management system cars can really fly with even better drivability.

Once they check my right knee in June, my only thought is to get better and back to riding my bicycle. Nothing compares to pedaling the bike, I love it. I already had the left done last June and if I need a right then it’s getting done in Oct.

Operation number 14 here I come, I hope not ​

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

For my Mustang after countless babbling posts and bothering tuners & shops I came to the decision I wanted EXACTLY what Bruce is describing, I can or could’ve gone OPG/CS, E85 and a whipple, I almost did but in the end I have 30 months left on my warranty, If I get my high 10 with good drivability outta of the Roush I’ll be very happy.

After 4yrs if I get bored with this car I think I’ll get a used C8 or GT500

I don’t know what your Camaro runs, but my Nova ran pretty good for a pump gas BB on small shot of juice. In 1984 I’d say that was pretty fast, simple build for a street car, now with FI and a engine management system cars can really fly with even better drivability.

Once they check my right knee in June, my only thought is to get better and back to riding my bicycle. Nothing compares to pedaling the bike, I love it. I already had the left done last June and if I need a right then it’s getting done in Oct.

Operation number 14 here I come, I hope not ​

I want the DA when you run the high 10, not directed at you but all Atco guys should be converted to sane DA bragging ( not you) about times in negative DA that most of the rest of the country simply can never run in is a bit unfair in comparison....
Now i bought my 67 Camaro from my uncle when I was bout 178sh have had it well over 30 years and yes NA with a carb on 93 it ran consistent 1.42-1
46 60ft 10.08 to 10.22 ( worst) motor only 93 with a carb and turbo 400...basic as it comes. It's always been 93 still is in fact 87 during winter but I deploy SS AP Gapless top rings with a reverse Napier 2nd, it's so versatile I dont even run an intercooler....
I really found it ironic you have a old Chevy too haha and also I need double knee reconstruction, I went to have my knees burned to get me a few months to get the baby here hopefully healthy tomorrow......
It's a shame you didnt get on with Edelbrock and I am sorry to any my initial uniformed opinion may have tainted but it's a stellar system and just imho absolute perfection when paired with the stage 2 and 3.75 pulley OR a 3.25 griptec 6 rib with stage 2 induction.....so very happy now...it was almost worth it heh...
The shame is the guy that cuts the checks at EB is a huge biker getting up in some years yall would probably have hit it off.....

Their counter influences are gone, the Roush finally has a viable product to market and this Loki looks good too....

I cant say I'd change my mind if I started all over today ( hey I might have just went FBO and 93 tune hehe) but man you have the Roush, the whipple making power, the Edelbrock making torque with best in class cooling, and now Loki or Odin depending on intended use with even better cooling and targeting of goals.....

However one company stands behinds and warrants the product front to back including diff and they dont even require Ford do the service or updates while providing 4k more in coverage ( in my case 13k more and counting heh)....

I dont think there are any bad choices warranty we have 750hp and non as far as one wants to go.......its all a good time. I for one am thankful 2 guys are gonna phase 2 that's gonna be some damn good data

 

[Stymee]

I echo that with 2 caveats....
Obviously if ET was max concern it would be turbo....
The second being I do like the choice for my considerations to change without repurchasing of major components. I can buy the 113mm TB, go E85 and be thumping hard...while have $4000 more dollars in warranty than Roush. Also Edelbrock covers the diff and axles....
Also I guess a 3rd this option simply wasnt available a year ago and warranty starts at zero miles hence I wanted it on there as soon as I purchased the car.....

I have a feeling this new load out would be plenty for me as well just going with that old tech thats stretched to the limit using massive HE as a crutch when even Ford themselves flipped the rotors like everyone else, unless it was a significant discount would probably bother me enough to still buy the Edelbrock.

Being completely honest personally this amount of power wasnt available when I purchased or it would have been highly considered.....I suspect the same for each of you as you didnt already have the phase 1 on your cars?

I want the DA when you run the high 10, not directed at you but all Atco guys should be converted to sane DA bragging ( not you) about times in negative DA that most of the rest of the country simply can never run in is a bit unfair in comparison....
Now i bought my 67 Camaro from my uncle when I was bout 178sh have had it well over 30 years and yes NA with a carb on 93 it ran consistent 1.42-1
46 60ft 10.08 to 10.22 ( worst) motor only 93 with a carb and turbo 400...basic as it comes. It's always been 93 still is in fact 87 during winter but I deploy SS AP Gapless top rings with a reverse Napier 2nd, it's so versatile I dont even run an intercooler....
I really found it ironic you have a old Chevy too haha and also I need double knee reconstruction, I went to have my knees burned to get me a few months to get the baby here hopefully healthy tomorrow......
It's a shame you didnt get on with Edelbrock and I am sorry to any my initial uniformed opinion may have tainted but it's a stellar system and just imho absolute perfection when paired with the stage 2 and 3.75 pulley OR a 3.25 griptec 6 rib with stage 2 induction.....so very happy now...it was almost worth it heh...
The shame is the guy that cuts the checks at EB is a huge biker getting up in some years yall would probably have hit it off.....

Their counter influences are gone, the Roush finally has a viable product to market and this Loki looks good too....

I cant say I'd change my mind if I started all over today ( hey I might have just went FBO and 93 tune hehe) but man you have the Roush, the whipple making power, the Edelbrock making torque with best in class cooling, and now Loki or Odin depending on intended use with even better cooling and targeting of goals.....

However one company stands behinds and warrants the product front to back including diff and they dont even require Ford do the service or updates while providing 4k more in coverage ( in my case 13k more and counting heh)....

I dont think there are any bad choices warranty we have 750hp and non as far as one wants to go.......its all a good time. I for one am thankful 2 guys are gonna phase 2 that's gonna be some damn good data

I know Dave S. a bit better than you, we both love bicycles. You don't even know who I am, I’ve known Dave a long time. We (The shop I worked for) did countless LS EB for Edelbrock since 2008, actually did a live install at the Keystone show back in 2011

I’m sure Dave would’ve giving me ridiculous deal (Didn't wanna bother him) on a EB kit, again in the end it’s just not what I wanted and I’m sure yours runs just fine now with the 3.75 (Dalton at EVO told me the same thing)

I wanted perfect drivability, good power, good warranty and good resale or trade-in

Roush to me provided that, we both got we wanted. Let’s move on and enjoy our cars

I’ll be glad to give you all the info at the rental

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

I know Dave S. a bit better than you, we both love bicycles. You don't even know who I am, I’ve known Dave a long time. We (The shop I worked for) did countless LS EB for Edelbrock since 2008, actually did a live install at the Keystone show back in 2011

I’m sure Dave would’ve giving me ridiculous deal (Didn't wanna bother him) on a EB kit, again in the end it’s just not what I wanted and I’m sure yours runs just fine now with the 3.75 (Dalton at EVO told me the same thing)

I wanted perfect drivability, good power, good warranty and good resale or trade-in

Roush to me provided that, we both got we wanted. Let’s move on and enjoy our cars

I’ll be glad to give you all the info at the rental

On it's quite insane if you could get a good deal put the money saved plus your connection for a built engine which is ultimately required anyhow as its the failure point....
If I had gotten a good deal then I'd for sure lean even heavier to EB......
2 years later Roush has you enough power then fine.....and have you driven the phase 2 yet no one I can find in my state has...and honestly from my interactions before and after with Ford I'd rather deal with Edelbrock LOL they suck hard....

Genuinely curious how many failures did the EB get on the LS platform when you were doing them?

Agree on resale value if that means anything to a person, this is my first new car, in fact its the first car I havent built ever....so in a way I sorta welcome in retrospect that I'll have to build the engine to get a quality one in the car......

Massive deal and inside track on warranty work shiiiiitttt there would be no debate, if you knew them that well I'm sure they would look right over your tune....NOW I'm jealous.......

I am truly happy with my car finally and I do believe its the best compromise on the market and Edelbrock did right be me and others I've come in contact with....very rare for any company in 2020.....I certainly trust them more than Ford, and certainly more than a Ford dealership 2.5hrs from my house....I.hate they got saddled with this shit show of QC on this engine.....

I absolutely look forward to your build, impressions and times....even logs....and honestly hope the best, I wouldnt wish my Mustang ownership experience on anyone...before of after the supercharger install...and now I got dirt coming up thru the paint from the metal.....smh.....

When I get my daughter settled I'll replace the bad harnesses, run the numbers I said I would and then deal with that....it never ends......I'm thinking junker 2008 Chevy truck with a procharger lowered were I can roll my big butt in and out of it....maybe nice things I didnt build weren't meant for me....

 

[Stymee]

We did A LOT of LS canned Edelbrocks on Corvettes and Camaro’s. We didn’t have 1 failure on the canned tune and the cars ran great

 

[BlueCollarDaily]

We did A LOT of LS canned Edelbrocks on Corvettes and Camaro’s. We didn’t have 1 failure on the canned tune and the cars ran great

Exactly it's not the blower its the 12 to 1 cast piston on 91/93 set to loose in a bore that grows .005 at operating temp when it, the stock cast piston, has NO chance of matching the thermal expansion characteristics of the bore its placed in, rattling at BDC and flaking the plasma liner then everything goes south from there ( quote from piston engineer, well known wont throw him under the bus but I do have screen shots and even pocket recordings all the admissions over the past year about this gen 3 coyote even the revisions from the may batch)....
It's the engine thats the variable not the boost source aside from being to aggressive on 93 with boost and 12 to 1 compression....even the great Lund wont tune it till you drop the boost to around 11....

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