TTV6+AWD or FI-V8

[Viperbluecobra]

Lots of questions in your post so I snipped it down just to the one you say that you are saying over and over again.

Here's my reply to this particular question. Take the STI with regular tires that makes a small smoke show from a dig.

Now - remove the front axle shafts.

Riddle me this - will it be faster with only the two tires pushing it rather than all four?

There it is.

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[FordBlueHeart]

Nissan GT-R awd does pretty well with less hp and more weight.

And my 2015 rwd mustang..... Had to do steeda parts for wheel hop, replace rear axels and get drag radials to get a decent 60ft and no wheel hop. Rwd always needs assistance to get it right.

So no response to his question? :lol:

 

[FordBlueHeart]

There it is.

Yep, there it is. Another slanted example given as truth and end of discussion. :lol:

 

[Viperbluecobra]

So no response to his question? :lol:

What was the question?

What I was doing to my Shelby? I was drag racing it. Go check 2007 Shelby gt500 (svt performance) and any of them that are fast have replaced the same parts.

And a 2014 Shelby cutting 1.7 60ft on stock tires is total bull $hit.

 

[Viperbluecobra]

Yep, there it is. Another slanted example given as truth and end of discussion. :lol:

exactly.

So why isn't the Sti faster as rwd?

 

[FordBlueHeart]

exactly.

So why isn't the Sti faster as rwd?

If you're not smart enough to figure it out yourself, there's no point in wasting my time. I've got better things to do than listen to your drivel.

 

[mustang_guy]

What was the question?

What I was doing to my Shelby? I was drag racing it. Go check 2007 Shelby gt500 (svt performance) and any of them that are fast have replaced the same parts.

And a 2014 Shelby cutting 1.7 60ft on stock tires is total bull $hit.

Im not really interested in what you think. You get back to me when you raced nmra or nhra as well as been drag racing a hair over 3 decades. Its easily done. I cannot help you lack the skill to do it. :shrug: i drag raced mine as well. I never broke a single thing. Thats my point you obviously didnt know what you were doing.

Nissan GT-R awd does pretty well with less hp and more weight.

And my 2015 rwd mustang..... Had to do steeda parts for wheel hop, replace rear axels and get drag radials to get a decent 60ft and no wheel hop. Rwd always needs assistance to get it right.

So ill ask again what makes any of you awd pushers think a 800hp awd gt500 isnt going to have trouble? Youre all aware the gtr crowd uses toyo r888s which arent summer tires. Even then with full bolt ons, on e85 they still have traction issues. Which guess what? Thats still isnt 800 crank. They are running radials and slicks. So a summer tire equipped awd gt500 isnt going to be in any better situation then a rwd model.

Lots of questions in your post so I snipped it down just to the one you say that you are saying over and over again.

Here's my reply to this particular question. Take the STI with regular tires that makes a small smoke show from a dig.

Now - remove the front axle shafts.

Riddle me this - will it be faster with only the two tires pushing it rather than all four?

Its not going to be faster in any fashion because a car with that much power awd or rwd they both lack traction. Only way to find traction is to modulate throttle input. All it takes is skill. Awd is not needed.

 

[mustang_guy]

A quick browse on svtp on the gt500 bone stock fast list. Another has ran faster than i. 11.25@127 with...a 1.8 60ft. Why am i, someone with worlds of drag racing experience not capable of 1.7s on only three passes and within only .5 of his best time? You are aware it can go from 1.70-1.79. Which.. is still 1.7. It is not a problem or concern of mine the skill others haven't acquired.

I cant break this downy anymore then i already have. This is just me repeating the same stuff. Awd pushers basically exclaiming, but awd! With no experience to back their opinion when ive driven my personal friends gtr through the progress of his build and my own higher powered sti. Also the many gtrs ive raced against. No one in sight with awd experience here except myself

Im unsubscribing. Hope you all have a great week. :cheers:

 

[Viperbluecobra]

A quick browse on svtp on the gt500 bone stock fast list. Another has ran faster than i. 11.25@127 with...a 1.8 60ft. Why am i, someone with worlds of drag racing experience not capable of 1.7s on only three passes and within only .5 of his best time? You are aware it can go from 1.70-1.79. Which.. is still 1.7. It is not a problem or concern of mine the skill others haven't acquired.

I cant break this downy anymore then i already have. This is just me repeating the same stuff. Awd pushers basically exclaiming, but awd! With no experience to back their opinion when ive driven my personal friends gtr through the progress of his build and my own higher powered sti. Also the many gtrs ive raced against. No one in sight with awd experience here except myself

Im unsubscribing. Hope you all have a great week. :cheers:

Lol. I have raced Nmra events. With my 04 cobra back in 2006. True street events and my name in magazine. I'll take a snap shot of it if you want. Lol

So your gods gift to drag racing?! Lol.

Rwd vs Awd. Same Hp same weight same street tires awd will move first. Why would some not see this? Lol.

30 year drag racer needs to get a clue. Never has come back on any of my points. Why does the Nissan gtr have less hp, more weight, and runs faster 1/4 mile than 2014 gt500?

 

[Hack]

Its not going to be faster in any fashion because a car with that much power awd or rwd they both lack traction. Only way to find traction is to modulate throttle input. All it takes is skill. Awd is not needed.

I agree that you will have to modulate the throttle, especially if the electronic nannies are turned off.

Yes both lack traction, but the AWD will always have more traction to use for acceleration than a RWD will (of course assuming stock setup and on the street).

Nobody in this thread has said that AWD is needed. I'm not sure why you would make that statement as if you are disagreeing with someone. We are just saying a big HP car can be quicker with AWD.

 

[Hack]

You're hilarious. Obviously you're view point is so narrowly focused you can't see the big picture. Who cares what you want out of a stock car? Your opinion is so minimal in numbers it doesn't matter except for the internet and magazine racers. You know, the people who will never use these cars for their true purpose. The guy who needs to win at the local Starbucks, not the racetrack where he would get smoked by anyone who is a better driver. You're "subject" that the rest of us "keep changing" is not what matters to the majority. For the bench racers, you win! Everywhere else, you're a loser.:headbonk:

Thanks for giving me a "schoolin' " on grammar. Look back at my post and you will see I used it properly every single time, but once. Oooooooh you got me! .

I bolded them to help you since my original post wasn't enough.

You win in bench racing, but you're a loser anywhere else with your argument. Is that clear enough? One poster points out his experience with awd to back up his reasoning, you back your opinion with what?? Experience? Nope.

Experience can be meaningful in some situations, but superior reasoning will give you an advantage every time, especially when combined with innovation.

 

[FordBlueHeart]

I bolded them to help you since my original post wasn't enough.


I stand corrected. Fortunately, I do know the differences in usage. I can only blame myself for not checking my post to see if my phone auto corrected or that in my haste to move on and read something meaningful, I screwed up. Just like I didn't go back and thoroughly check my original post when responding to your childish grammar policing since this isn't a grammar forum. But I guess when you're grasping at straws trying to look "superior"...
Experience can be meaningful in some situations, but superior reasoning will give you an advantage every time, especially when combined with innovation.

Experience and execution trumps reasoning and lack of skills every time. History proves it time and time again for just about every conceivable subject. Touting your "superior reasoning " without using unbiased and factual information or experience isn't innovative, it's called politics and it stinks to high heaven.
Being objective and cognizant of the big picture is a tough road to follow. Just like every situation, there are different ways to get there. I would prefer rwd and you would prefer awd. Neither is superior in the other one's mind. Practicality tells us awd isn't going to happen on the next GT500 if it indeed comes out in 2018 based on the S550. If the S650 is still based generally on that same architecture, it probably won't happen either. Is it a possibility? I think anything is possible, but i think it would be a huge gamble on Ford's part due to engineering changes that would need to be integrated across the whole lineup. Which is cost prohibitive. Plus we're not even talking about the effects on fuel mileage which is why everyone claims the V8 is dying tomorrow!:cheers:

 

[Hack]

Experience and execution trumps reasoning and lack of skills every time. History proves it time and time again for just about every conceivable subject. Touting your "superior reasoning " without using unbiased and factual information or experience isn't innovative, it's called politics and it stinks to high heaven.
Being objective and cognizant of the big picture is a tough road to follow. Just like every situation, there are different ways to get there. I would prefer rwd and you would prefer awd. Neither is superior in the other one's mind. Practicality tells us awd isn't going to happen on the next GT500 if it indeed comes out in 2018 based on the S550. If the S650 is still based generally on that same architecture, it probably won't happen either. Is it a possibility? I think anything is possible, but i think it would be a huge gamble on Ford's part due to engineering changes that would need to be integrated across the whole lineup. Which is cost prohibitive. Plus we're not even talking about the effects on fuel mileage which is why everyone claims the V8 is dying tomorrow!:cheers:

To clarify for you:

• I didn't say I have superior reasoning to you or to anyone else.
• I don't think I've ever said I prefer AWD.

 

[FordBlueHeart]

What is your preference for the next GT500:

TTV6+AWD
TT-V8
SC-V8

This is the very first post in this thread. It would seem that if you continuously sided with awd through pages of this thread without once stating you prefer otherwise...

Experience can be meaningful in some situations, but superior reasoning will give you an advantage every time, especially when combined with innovation.

How this reads to me is that you're insinuating that you're superior.

To clarify for you:

• I didn't say I have superior reasoning to you or to anyone else.
• I don't think I've ever said I prefer AWD.

Your list is correct. I don't believe you ever specifically said either, but the internet is the playground of insinuation and passive-aggressive behavior. Given the context of the past few days of this thread, it's easy to not believe your list. Doesn't mean I'm correct or factual obviously.
I want to see the Mustang, especially the vapor ware GT500 become more advanced and dominant just like you. I just think it can be accomplished without utilizing awd. You were critical of others previously who didn't have any alternative ideas, but I think it can be accomplished by utilizing a multitude of less substantial ideas crafted together. The biggest one is less weight. Extensive use of high strength steel, aluminum and low cost carbon fiber manufacturing can potentially reduce mass significantly. Improved suspension performance utilizing the knowledge gained with magneride. Maybe some advancements in computer controlled engine enhancements. Ford had some interesting technology in the "Bobcat" engine.

 

[Hack]

You were critical of others previously who didn't have any alternative ideas, but I think it can be accomplished by utilizing a multitude of less substantial ideas crafted together. The biggest one is less weight. Extensive use of high strength steel, aluminum and low cost carbon fiber manufacturing can potentially reduce mass significantly. Improved suspension performance utilizing the knowledge gained with magneride. Maybe some advancements in computer controlled engine enhancements. Ford had some interesting technology in the "Bobcat" engine.

I appreciate that you posted some ideas.

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