To stagger or Not to stagger....

[mike@vossen]

Stagger all day..... 20x10 and 20x12

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[Jonas-RR-GT]

What spacer did you use ?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/261927525589?_mwBanner=1

I used these. I had to enlarge the hole with a step bit, these are meant for 12x1.50 lugs and ours a much larger.

 

[robwlf]

if its your daily and you like rotating your rubber id go square.. im squared 19x9.5 all around with 275/35 tires. and i love the way it handles, ive had many cars with staggered set ups and squared will handle better every time .. think im gunna bump my tires up a notch when these go .. maybe a 285.

just my opinion

 

[Excelerater]

Stagger for performance and looks
Square if you are just square daddyo

 

[ForTheHordeKT]

Stagger all day..... 20x10 and 20x12

Looks sick as hell, though seeing how lowered that is simultaneously gives me a pang of jealousy in that I shouldn't lower mine any more than it came stock due to how severe most lot exits are over here in this neck of the woods, and also makes me cringe to see how bad that would scrape out here because of it.

They may as well have just dispensed with the pretense and straight up dug foxhole trenches in front of all our exits in this city. :frusty:

 

[Speedwagon]

Staggered FTW!!

 

[RLove]

Square for performance, staggered for show.

 

[Coyote Red]

Square vs Staggered

I run a square setup for the twisty's an track. I also fit 18x9+ as my Cyclone was limited to 275/40/18 so I'll buy 18x10 or 9 1/2" so I can fit 285/40/18" and I use 18" wheels to get the most out of my 3.55:1 gear. If I was looking for a sexy ride i'd run a "Staggerd" setup. Also for 1/4 mile racing as stated before. Here's my Cyclone on 275/40/18's. Vossen and other's need to continue to build 18" wheels!!!!!

 

[robwlf]

my set up and im lowered on cjpp springs

 

[Norm Peterson]

Staggered here and don't regret it at all. 275/35 up front with 20x10's and 315/35 out rear with 20x11's.

As for the understeer issue, I've pulled up to about .9g's street driving without any signs of understeer. That's plenty for me on the street!!

That doesn't mean understeer wasn't there . . . and my money is on there being a good amount and you didn't realize it.

Moderate and heavier understeer feels 'stable' and won't make the driver feel uneasy until the front tires are "saturated" - getting really close to their limit - when they start responding poorly/not at all to further steering input, while the rear tires have plenty of grip remaining that you'll never be able to access.

Lighter understeer feels better even below 0.4-ish g cornering if you like a car with a lighter touch to steering inputs. Makes the car 'drive' like it was a little smaller and lighter than it actually is.

You can crutch a staggered (understeerish) setup with oversteerish suspension tuning. But that puts the wheels/tires and suspension working at cross-purposes to each other and tends to hurt corner exit acceleration or at least delay the point at which you can begin it. A properly set up street-driven car with any sporting intent shouldn't make you wait until you're almost completely straightened out before you can start your acceleration up to highway speed.


Norm

 

[DRKHORS]

That doesn't mean understeer wasn't there . . . and my money is on there being a good amount and you didn't realize it.

Moderate and heavier understeer feels 'stable' and won't make the driver feel uneasy until the front tires are "saturated" - getting really close to their limit - when they start responding poorly/not at all to further steering input, while the rear tires have plenty of grip remaining that you'll never be able to access.

Lighter understeer feels better even below 0.4-ish g cornering if you like a car with a lighter touch to steering inputs. Makes the car 'drive' like it was a little smaller and lighter than it actually is.

You can crutch a staggered (understeerish) setup with oversteerish suspension tuning. But that puts the wheels/tires and suspension working at cross-purposes to each other and tends to hurt corner exit acceleration or at least delay the point at which you can begin it. A properly set up street-driven car with any sporting intent shouldn't make you wait until you're almost completely straightened out before you can start your acceleration up to highway speed.


Norm

I'm sure you are right.

However, my post was simply meant to let the OP know that you can go to a staggered set up and still have a car that handles well. OP stated his car is a daily driver, not a track car, so with a proper wheel and tire selection, he can have the look he is after and know that his car will still handle well.

With that being said, you still have to know what your limits are (driver experience and skill) and those of your car as well.

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