The wait begins: MY18 ordered & Plans for modding!

[Gibbo205]

Yeah stance maybe a bit differing. As i think UK and US cars sit at slightly differing heights (But i maybe chatting shit having not seen unmolested ones side by side)

If it is as simple as those mods, then a lot of suspension companies maybe having some issues. :lol:

Yes and no!

Mag ride is like a £1500 option, £1500 gets you a nice set of KW V3's or a set of Pedders along with cradle lock out, anti-roll bars etc. I'd still take mag ride though, you can't change coilover settings on the fly, like you can with mag ride, being able to adjust firmness between soft, medium, hard and automatic by just toggling driver modes is a very nice feature indeed.

Essentially you can either give Ford £1500 for some fancy dampers that give you great flexibility, or you can drop £1500 on doing your own suspension tuning on the stock PP car, again all exports shall be PP cars.

MY15 RHD vs MY15 US LHD did sit different, the UK cars were a touch higher due to different springs, but saying that the later MY17 like Christians do seem to now sit a touch lower, so Ford may have updated the springs again.


Also all the PP cars Ford have shown, no doubt feature mag ride, which come with different springs compared to PP cars as mag ride consist of dampers with matched springs.

Though unknown when selecting mag ride may also result in different anti-roll bars as well.

Of course anyone selecting mag ride on MY18 could fit GT350 R springs, GT 350 R anti-roll bars if they so wished but wanted to retain flexibility of mag ride, or they could fit the regular GT 350 bars/springs, though probably not worth it as the change in appearance and handling would be minimal. The R has firmer spring rates and does sit about 10mm lower, I believe the R also has a thicker rear bar.


As mine is a road car, driven hard with odd track day my feelings are PP with mag ride will give me everything my current car does but with more flexibility, can turn it into a boat when cruising and a racer when visiting the track, thats the beauty of decent mag ride systems. I never felt the need for coilovers on my 911 and the mag ride known as PASM on the 997.1 was nowhere near as good or as sophisticated as the mag ride Ford are using, but that is also why its an expensive option.


But yes the companies offering dampers/coilovers will see less demand from MY18 owners with mag ride for sure, but of course there shall be owners who still want to fit BMR/Steeda goodies like cradle lock outs, vertical links, spherical mounts/bushings etc.

The problem is for the after market, just like a BMW M car or a Porsche, most owners don't fuck with the suspension from factory because the simple fact is they handle insanely well out the box on both road and track. My hope is the MY18 will offer this with the mag ride option and if its 90% as good as the GT 350 then it certainly shall.

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[Manders Mustang]

last point was more along my thinking... we'll see if we even get mag ride first, how much it is, or if it's a stock option etc. If it comes as standard... then we could see a lot less AM products put on (AM in this case is after market, not American Muscle btw)

 

[Gibbo205]

last point was more along my thinking... we'll see if we even get mag ride first, how much it is, or if it's a stock option etc. If it comes as standard... then we could see a lot less AM products put on (AM in this case is after market, not American Muscle btw)

We do, its on Vista and its an option! US is $1695 so here in the UK it shall be £1695 or close to it.
Renamed to adaptive dampening so the Europeans understand it.

Would be cruel of Ford to give us an option in the UK and then withdrawn it, but I am confident we shall get it, otherwise I shall be holding onto my KW's.

 

[Nookie]

But... in contrast to some opinion on here... one of the things I like most about my Mustang is that I've been able to make it different from any other Mustang locally, through it's ability to be modified with any number of the thousands of aftermarket products out there... and I've still got more to do!

Owning something that's near perfect 'out of the box' means that you'll just be driving around in a car that's gonna be near enough the same as a shit load of other people cars.

This is my issue with the German brands... that (short of turning them into the EU equivalent of a 'Ricer') there's becoming less and less you can do to them to create any sort of individuality with each passing year, and they've consequently become very boring and samey... just look at the M4... beautiful car... but if you've seen one, you've seen them all.

Don't get me wrong... I get the Magnaride thing, and if it does come as standard it will of course appeal to the masses, as they will just want an 'out of the box', don't need to do anything to it, reasonably priced sports/touring car, and nothing more.

The 15-17 Mustang, for all it's foibles, has been a great car, but it's been great because it's not been perfect and we've all had the chance to improve it in our own way and generally to our own liking... I mean... what the hell would people like [MENTION=20131]Manders Mustang[/MENTION] have done if he'd bought his car specced up as it is now... he would have had nothing to do and would have had to spend time with his girlfriend and spend all that money on her (and likely be married, riddled with mortgage debt and up to his eyeballs in sprogs)!

 

[Twin Turbo]

One thing I really dislike with the stock S550 (to date) is the ride height and wheel offset (actually.....that's a dislike with pretty much ANY Mustang in the last 25 years!!).

A set of springs and either wheels with the "correct" offset, or a set of spacers, does wonders.

Wheels/spacers will still be one option for '18MY owners......but I've not seen many GT350 owners who have lowered their cars when on MagneRide.

Am I correct in assuming the '18+ (when fitted with MagneRide) will require specific aftermarket springs......or would any S550 springs it?

 

[Gibbo205]

But... in contrast to some opinion on here... one of the things I like most about my Mustang is that I've been able to make it different from any other Mustang locally, through it's ability to be modified with any number of the thousands of aftermarket products out there... and I've still got more to do!

Owning something that's near perfect 'out of the box' means that you'll just be driving around in a car that's gonna be near enough the same as a shit load of other people cars.

This is my issue with the German brands... that (short of turning them into the EU equivalent of a 'Ricer') there's becoming less and less you can do to them to create any sort of individuality with each passing year, and they've consequently become very boring and samey... just look at the M4... if you've seen one, you've seen them all.

Don't get me wrong... I get the Magnaride thing, and if it does come as standard it will of course appeal to the masses, as they will just want an 'out of the box', don't need to do anything to it, reasonably priced sports/touring car, and nothing more.

The 15-17 Mustang, for all it's foibles, has been a great car, but it's been great because it's not been perfect and we've all had the chance to improve it in our own way and generally to our own liking... I mean... what the hell would people like [MENTION=20131]Manders Mustang[/MENTION] have done if he'd bought his car specced up as it is now... he would have had nothing to do and would have had to spend time with his girlfriend and spend all that money on her (and likely be married, riddled with mortgage debt and up to his eyeballs in sprogs)!

Yes true to an extent, but most people who modify their Mustangs and what you notice is the looks via wheels, spacers, wings, hoods, exhaust etc.

When a meet happens even though some only have basic mods they all look different, whether it be from the decklid, pony badge or a set of wheels.

MY18 won't be changing their, the only real change will be the amount of underpinning mods to fix the handling which you generally cannot see.

MY18 PP or PP with mag can still be lowered, fit wheel spacers etc.

A BMW M4 all look identical because pretty much every owner copies each other, at least with Mustangs there is a huge colour variation and owners like to do stuff with badges, stripes etc, which generally is seen as a no no on EU cars for whatever reason.

Whereas us Mustang owners think nothing about stripes, coloured/custom badges, custom wheels, bodykits etc. and if anything the MY18 will be bigger on aesthetics as those who want the car but not the front-end will go aesthetic mod crazy.

 

[Gibbo205]

One thing I really dislike with the stock S550 (to date) is the ride height and wheel offset (actually.....that's a dislike with pretty much ANY Mustang in the last 25 years!!).

A set of springs and either wheels with the "correct" offset, or a set of spacers, does wonders.

Wheels/spacers will still be one option for '18MY owners......but I've not seen many GT350 owners who have lowered their cars when on MagneRide.

Am I correct in assuming the '18+ (when fitted with MagneRide) will require specific aftermarket springs......or would any S550 springs it?

Mag ride can be lowered, it won't upset the system, in theory current PP spring options will fit as well, but to be confirmed and not something I would risk, I would just buy a set such as:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-5300-W

http://www.lethalperformance.com/ei...350-pro-kit-performance-lowering-springs.html


MY18 Magneride options will be coming, though the current 350 options will likely fit perfect.

 

[Gibbo205]

If I am unhappy with mine and I have mag ride, I shall get the FRPP springs for it as they drop the car just right by 20mm, a lot of aftermarket kits drop car to much.

Those who have seen my car will see I have quite a nice gap between my tyres and arch, I do not like the slammed look.

Here are some GT 350's attached with the FRPP lowering springs on mag ride which are £300, also grab a set of Shelby American camber plates to give you full front camber adjustment up front.

 

[Nookie]

It will be interesting to see what the MY18 brings as it's still early days yet (Ford seemingly hanging on to the definitive EU spec info until the last minute it would seem), and I'm not in any way knocking it as I haven't of course seen one 'in the flesh' or driven one, so it would be wrong for me to do so... I'd just hate to see the Mustang become 'untouchable' and too 'off the shelf' (so to speak) as it's a car renowned for it's potential to be individualised.

Time will tell... and that time should hopefully be fairly short once the American enthusiasts get their hands on it!

Edit: I wish also that Ford would just take the bull by the horns and bring us a GT350 version to play with - they were quite surprised by how high the take on V8 was over EB over here... and if that didn't give them enough of a hint about what we all really want, then their marketing department need a good kicking!

 

[Gibbo205]

It will be interesting to see what the MY18 brings as it's still early days yet (Ford seemingly hanging on to the definitive EU spec info until the last minute it would seem), and I'm not in any way knocking it as I haven't of course seen one 'in the flesh' or driven one, so it would be wrong for me to do so... I'd just hate to see the Mustang become 'untouchable' and too 'off the shelf' (so to speak) as it's a car renowned for it's potential to be individualised.

Time will tell... and that time should hopefully be fairly short once the American enthusiasts get their hands on it!

Won't happen, look at the GT 350, a totally out the box incredible car, yet the owners still tweak and play with them. The MY18 won't be quite as good as GT 350, but the MY18 does bring the 10-speed into the mix and a lot more torque.

Now a GT 350 R with that 10-speed, oh my that would be pretty amazing for those of us who are no longer interested in manuals.

Won't happen but lets see if a GT 500 comes, as that will get the 10-speed and will either be an SC or TT setup.

 

[Nookie]

Well Roush have just posted that they've received their Mustang to start playing with... and I'm sorry (and I may get slated for it), but every time I see that front end it gets worse (Guppy fish springs to mind)... but no doubt that's gonna be one of the first things Roush will address... certainly be very interesting to see what this mod king comes up with (possible that other manufacturers have or are shortly to get their test cars to play with also, although Roush's tie-in with Ford may mean they get somewhat of a head-up on things).

https://www.facebook.com/pg/ROUSHperformance/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10155582194409795

 

[Gibbo205]

Better looking too, the cheap matt plastic cheeks have gone, horraay.

Plastic cheeks?

 

[Manders Mustang]

Plastic cheeks?

Plastic fog surrounds i think is what he's inferring.

 

[Gibbo205]

More good news it now looks like all cars globally with the 10-speed get a 3.55 Torsen, so were getting a differential upgrade too.

Manuals are as they were before it seems with exports getting 3.55 traction lok and US PP cars getting 3.73 Torsen.


Also the 10-speed has being rated with better city and urban mpg by 1, haha not that we care buying a V8 but still nice to get a fuel economy improvement and more power/torque to boot.

 

[MrWolf]

More good news it now looks like all cars globally with the 10-speed get a 3.55 Torsen, so were getting a differential upgrade too.

Manuals are as they were before it seems with exports getting 3.55 traction lok and US PP cars getting 3.73 Torsen.


Also the 10-speed has being rated with better city and urban mpg by 1, haha not that we care buying a V8 but still nice to get a fuel economy improvement and more power/torque to boot.

Remind me what advantage the torsen will give us over what we originally had?

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