Stock and JLT dyno comparision

[Impulsed7]

The bigger intercoolers are just a bandaid for the turbo running out of efficiency. Yea sure they can get 100 more tq's (actually 90 is the closer number), but strap that car down for 7 or 8 consecutive runs, or a 35 minute session at VIR or some other road course. You won't last too long before timing starts pulling.

Also, I have been hearing of multiple cars with the intercooler condensation issue, VW has a bulletin out as well about it on the 2.0t and TDI motors (my wifes car)

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[greg hazlett]

True but until the fuel/DI issue is solved a larger turbo may not be an option.

Ford chose the smaller turbo to spool faster and try to eliminate as much turbo lag as possible.

I test drove one this weekend and while it does not have the shove you back in your seat the GT does it pulled all the way to the limiter nicely.

 

[Impulsed7]

I'm hearing that the limit for the stock fueling is ~380 hp with a bigger borg warner turbo. Some companies are already hinting at bigger DI injectors, or port fueling on top of stock injectors, so we will see.

I'll bet that with the bigger turbo, meth injection and a bigger IC 400 whp is possible on pump gas on stock injectors.

 

[greg hazlett]

Just glad to see that companies are coming up with aftermarket parts and ways to make the cars better, with Ford announcing the GT will be a TT 3.5 Ecoboost this is the way of the future.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

I'm hearing that the limit for the stock fueling is ~380 hp with a bigger borg warner turbo.

Source?

 

[Impulsed7]

some focus st forum when I was researching the ecoboost. They are selling 2.3 direct injectors as upgrades from the 2.0, saying they are good to 380, so I'm guessing thats where we are at. A big turbo should prove this once full race and mmr get theirs worked out for release.

 

[BmacIL]

Agree, think it is pretty well documented that the stock IC is adequate at best.

I was told that Ford actually had to re-design the IC after their issues with the condensation buildup in the F150's, that it was cooling so well that they had the issues so Ford put some heat back into the IC to avoid that issue.

Bingo. Which is why I've been asking the aftermarket intercooler manufacturers: "what cold weather validation have you done for condensation build-up?". Ford has to design this system to last 150,000+ miles without major issues like that (causes misfires), so I'd stop hating on Ford too much for the intercooler size/efficiency.

If this is just going to be a track car, by all means go big. I'd hesitate to do that on a daily driver, though.

 

[Jay@JLTPerformance]

Awesome, more results.
That's what we want.
15-20? Killer!

Like I said in my test thread, the car was very inconsistent and we took the best average runs to compare.
I don't think we're too far off.

More testing coming this week.

Thanks again to Rev Auto

 

[Dannyho]

I'm hearing that the limit for the stock fueling is ~380 hp with a bigger borg warner turbo. Some companies are already hinting at bigger DI injectors, or port fueling on top of stock injectors, so we will see.

I'll bet that with the bigger turbo, meth injection and a bigger IC 400 whp is possible on pump gas on stock injectors.

You should check out the Full Race thread. IIRC they made 500hp with all the normal stuff, plus a bigger turbo, but with the stock fuel system. So fueling shouldn't be a problem for almost all of us. They also say that the limit for the stock turbo was ~360hp (crank). I'd say there's ample room to grow on this platform.

 

[mbreinin]

Also, don't expect MASSIVE gains from a tune. The slightest tune puts this thing out of the turbo's efficiency range, and just produces heat. An intercooler is a good band aid, but doesn't solve the actual problem. If you are just looking for some drag passes, with cooling time in between, you may get some serious numbers out, but once the heat sets in, its all over.

Actually, a tune is a massive upgrade. You are correct that the turbo is a blowtorch though. There are other work arounds aside from a bigger intercooler, like methanol injection. I have an intercooler inbound. However, the tune alone is quite a substantial improvement. I consider anything that nets 5 tenths or better reduction in ET to be massive. A good tune can net over a second.

I should be able to tell you tomorrow or Tuesday as long as all goes well. The car is still strapped down, adam will be tuning it tomorrow.

Adam is a good tuner and you are in good hands.

The bigger intercoolers are just a bandaid for the turbo running out of efficiency. Yea sure they can get 100 more tq's (actually 90 is the closer number), but strap that car down for 7 or 8 consecutive runs, or a 35 minute session at VIR or some other road course. You won't last too long before timing starts pulling.

I drag race, so it is fine for me. Also, I have never done 7-8 consecutive pulls on a dyno, with any car, whether it be N/A or turbo. That is just asking for heat soak and failure.

You should check out the Full Race thread. IIRC they made 500hp with all the normal stuff, plus a bigger turbo, but with the stock fuel system. So fueling shouldn't be a problem for almost all of us. They also say that the limit for the stock turbo was ~360hp (crank). I'd say there's ample room to grow on this platform.

They did some kind of fuel system augmentation. Do not think for one minute that the stock fuel system is going to support 500 RWHP without something to assist it. I found out first hand that you can run this car out of fuel on the stock turbo.

Mike

 

[Impulsed7]

"I drag race, so it is fine for me. Also, I have never done 7-8 consecutive pulls on a dyno, with any car, whether it be N/A or turbo. That is just asking for heat soak and failure"

Thats called reliability testing... Hot days at the track, etc. A well setup dyno shop, I would trust to do that with my old race car. Ecoboost stang is gonna need some work before I get there. And don't worry, mine won't see the track until someone comes out with some good brake pads for it. I don't feel like losing the brakes in my brand new car.

 

[mbreinin]

"I drag race, so it is fine for me. Also, I have never done 7-8 consecutive pulls on a dyno, with any car, whether it be N/A or turbo. That is just asking for heat soak and failure"

Thats called reliability testing... Hot days at the track, etc. A well setup dyno shop, I would trust to do that with my old race car. Ecoboost stang is gonna need some work before I get there. And don't worry, mine won't see the track until someone comes out with some good brake pads for it. I don't feel like losing the brakes in my brand new car.

Like I said, I drag race. I have 2000 feet to stop the car. LOL.

 

[Impulsed7]

yea, I really don't drag race, unless I really have nothing else to do on a friday night. Also there is nothing longer than eighth mile around VA beach, so nope. Thats probably the biggest problem right now with me getting some track pads out for this car, not too many people take it to road courses yet.

 

[Dannyho]

They did some kind of fuel system augmentation. Do not think for one minute that the stock fuel system is going to support 500 RWHP without something to assist it. I found out first hand that you can run this car out of fuel on the stock turbo.

Mike

yea I'm curious. But I was referring to crank HP, as they were.

 

[greg hazlett]

I have no idea why anyone other than the manufacturer's refer to anything in crank hp as not many people have an engine dyno, everyone uses chasis dyno's....oh well....

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