Science is not cancelled!

[sk47]

Hello; Even tho I no longer can post on the SCIENCE IS CANCELLED thread, I do read the posts. During recent weeks & months ever more damming evidence has emerged about the Covid 19 pandemic. Most recently about one of the greatly prominent persons in charge/influence of official actions during the pandemic. That he kept a fairly detailed diary loaded with self-incriminating statements is astounding. That he did so on a government owned computer is even more astounding. Such government ownership left the diary open to be revealed as it has been.

The last few weeks Gregs has been posting a version of revisionist history in what appears to be an attempt to try to explain away his and others of his ilk's responsibility for the events of the pandemic. That somehow using twisted logic that those in charge whom he diligently supported and cheered did not get things wrong. Those of you who have followed him on this forum will be familiar with my take which I call his "heads I win-tails you lose" approach. Gregs latest posts fit that pattern.

I get why Gregs wants to somehow dismiss the multitude of things we saw, read or personally experienced during the pandemic. He was a self-proclaimed expert during the pandemic and at least within the community of this forum strongly represented the "official" viewpoint many times over. His credibility has been justifiably tarnished due to his actions during the pandemic. So has the credibility of the medical profession for that matter. Keep in mind his stance on NATURAL IMMUNITY, but not the only questionable stance he took. More specifically that those who had survived a Covid 19 infection naturally MUST take a mRNA "vaccine" shot anyway. He cheered when folks with natural immunity were threatened with job loss if they did not take the shots.

I suspect the medical profession has a chance to become credible again. Anyway, I hope so because we need a medical establishment with proper ethical standards. I do not think some have much of a chance as long as they continue to argue as to how they really did not get things wrong when we know what they did.

Among new to me information gleaned from yesterday's senate hearing was a chart showing average deaths associated with medications used during the covid pandemic. Ivermectin was one. There were several on the chart including the mRNA Covid vaccine. Of them all the mRNA vaccine had the greatest number of deaths associated with it. A point being the authorities strongly pushed back on the less lethal medications while pushing hard for the most lethal Covid vaccine shots. I am still considering that bit of information.

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[HoosierDaddy]

Yawn. I always knew he was "full of it" and assumed most people did.

 

[sk47]

Quote from gregs:
"US will lose Measles Elimination status this year. I hope RFK is proud of himself!

Oh and for @Mitch03 and @sk47 (van man) I have already added your puerile likes to this post so that you don't need to bother, because surely even you two cannot find this tragic news funny?

Mitch03 sk47 "

Hello; My emoji was attached to one of his posts. I do not know the breakdown of the measles increase. Got a feeling not all can be laid off on RFK jr. There is likely a real vaccine hesitancy from the Covid 19 vaccine debacle- both because of the official "mandate" type tactic used to push the new "experimental" vaccine into all of us and also because the move the goal post story which went along with the efficacy of the new mRNA vaccine. Went for get the shots and you will not get Covid to get the many shots, and you can get Covid, possibly many times, but maybe you may not be as ill.

I had measles as a child. Not much fun but mumps was worse.

If I read between the lines of this post, it is another attempt to dish on those of us who saw him for what he is some time ago.

I do not want him to be banned for politics necessarily as such censoring of a voice does not appeal to me. However, i do wonder how he can post so much political content as he has in recent days and not be kicked off the thread as I have been for some years now.
I do not think i was quite so blatant back when I was kicked off that thread. I suspect the mods were pressured to quite dissenting voices (dissenting from the OFFICIAL versions of the time). Now it is known that I and others have been proven correct about our stances. An irony someone such as Gregs who is clearly proven wrong by now is still able to post?????

 

[CrazyHippie]

Quote from gregs:
"US will lose Measles Elimination status this year. I hope RFK is proud of himself!

Oh and for @Mitch03 and @sk47 (van man) I have already added your puerile likes to this post so that you don't need to bother, because surely even you two cannot find this tragic news funny?

Mitch03 sk47 "

Hello; My emoji was attached to one of his posts. I do not know the breakdown of the measles increase. Got a feeling not all can be laid off on RFK jr. There is likely a real vaccine hesitancy from the Covid 19 vaccine debacle- both because of the official "mandate" type tactic used to push the new "experimental" vaccine into all of us and also because the move the goal post story which went along with the efficacy of the new mRNA vaccine. Went for get the shots and you will not get Covid to get the many shots, and you can get Covid, possibly many times, but maybe you may not be as ill.

I had measles as a child. Not much fun but mumps was worse.

If I read between the lines of this post, it is another attempt to dish on those of us who saw him for what he is some time ago.

I do not want him to be banned for politics necessarily as such censoring of a voice does not appeal to me. However, i do wonder how he can post so much political content as he has in recent days and not be kicked off the thread as I have been for some years now.
I do not think i was quite so blatant back when I was kicked off that thread. I suspect the mods were pressured to quite dissenting voices (dissenting from the OFFICIAL versions of the time). Now it is known that I and others have been proven correct about our stances. An irony someone such as Gregs who is clearly proven wrong by now is still able to post?????

I have been studying Mr. Gregs' posts for quite a while without engaging in his raving and drooling. He's actually a very intelligent and tenacious person, albeit very misguided and perhaps a bit compulsive. He tends to divert the conversation a lot. His persistent attacks on me are interesting, because we probably agree that US politics are a clown show and that the evolving exposure of the extent of Fauci's lies and the damage that he did to Humanity is worthy of noting. It's all very entertaining, in a strange way.

Banning contributors from sharing ideas, especially when there is vigorous disagreement and debate, is dangerous. Perhaps the moderators have restored your posting privileges on the other thread?

 

[sk47]

I have been studying Mr. Gregs' posts for quite a while without engaging in his raving and drooling. He's actually a very intelligent and tenacious person, albeit very misguided and perhaps a bit compulsive. He tends to divert the conversation a lot. His persistent attacks on me are interesting, because we probably agree that US politics are a clown show and that the evolving exposure of the extent of Fauci's lies and the damage that he did to Humanity is worthy of noting. It's all very entertaining, in a strange way.

Banning contributors from sharing ideas, especially when there is vigorous disagreement and debate, is dangerous. Perhaps the moderators have restored your posing privileges on the other thread?

Hello; No i am still getting a message that I lack privilege to post or interact in the thread. I can only use one of the emojis. I do not know if the use of such emoji has improved over time. I thought for some time I could only use the like one. Now I can choose among a few more.
One other thing is the thread has not shown up as a notice of one which I watch for a long time. I just happen to notice when I check all posts.

As for Fauci, I figure his episode will determine the future of "trust" for the general public for some time to come. That he may walk and the devastation he championed may have a lasting effect. I understand there is a "presidential pardon" in play. But even so if he walks the general public will not have reason to "trust" whomever is his replacement.

I saw a suggestion that that pardon does not apply to state prosecutions. That individual states can bring charges. I do not want a "witch hunt" but do think officials such as Fauci ought to get exactly what they deserve. You know the "no one is above the law" sort of thing.

I normally do not watch senate hearings. Yesterday when I realized what was happening, I could not turn away. It was clear soon enough the 5th amendment was to be invoked so no satisfaction. But watching his face and the slow wearing down as the questions went on. The public humiliation was a good start but not near enough. Appears to be he likely was not a decent guy with good intentions trying his best. People went to jail, lost jobs, were forced to take unnecessary shots, schools were closed on his actions. He ought not get to just "retire".

 

[CrazyHippie]

Hello; No i am still getting a message that I lack privilege to post or interact in the thread. I can only use one of the emojis. I do not know if the use of such emoji has improved over time. I thought for some time I could only use the like one. Now I can choose among a few more.
One other thing is the thread has not shown up as a notice of one which I watch for a long time. I just happen to notice when I check all posts.

As for Fauci, I figure his episode will determine the future of "trust" for the general public for some time to come. That he may walk and the devastation he championed may have a lasting effect. I understand there is a "presidential pardon" in play. But even so if he walks the general public will not have reason to "trust" whomever is his replacement.

I saw a suggestion that that pardon does not apply to state prosecutions. That individual states can bring charges. I do not want a "witch hunt" but do think officials such as Fauci ought to get exactly what they deserve. You know the "no one is above the law" sort of thing.

I normally do not watch senate hearings. Yesterday when I realized what was happening, I could not turn away. It was clear soon enough the 5th amendment was to be invoked so no satisfaction. But watching his face and the slow wearing down as the questions went on. The public humiliation was a good start but not near enough. Appears to be he likely was not a decent guy with good intentions trying his best. People went to jail, lost jobs, were forced to take unnecessary shots, schools were closed on his actions. He ought not get to just "retire".

Well, according to our friend on the other thread,

"At work, I'm constantly doing things differently because I can't just do whatever I want—I have to act in the company's best interests, and especially because I have to take other people's knowledge and opinions into account.
No one would ever think to accuse me of lying because of that."

Apparently, lying can be classified as "doing things differently," in which case its OK.

 

[sk47]

Apparently, lying can be classified as "doing things differently," in which case its OK.

Hello; May I use this. Even better than my 'heads i win; tails you lose" describer of the lad.

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

I have tried to stay out of this, but he ( that other guy that you are talking about ) sounds like he will be easily replaced with AI. The employer will get the answers they want without having to do payroll.

 

[sk47]

Hello; I see Gregs is "doing things differently" again today. Sometime along the way he (Gregs) told us he is a medical professional. He did not say what sort of such medical professional, so maybe not an MD??
From an old Steve McQueen movie THT SAND PEBELS there was a line about a "rice bowl". The rice bowl was a reference to how the Chinese working on the boat made a living. I suspect, but do not know, that Gregs may fear his personal "rice bowl" is being threatened as the abuses of the covid pandemic get sunshine focused on them. I wonder if the lad has a financial stake in the mRNA vaccine branch of medicine???

I was a child when a hero of the medical profession (Dr. Jonas Salk) did forgo a medical patent on his vaccine discovery. I was in the third grade when they loaded us at my school in the back of produce trucks. (the school system did not have busses at the time) (just several local schools we walked to) Took my entire school to a gym where we got the first polio shots.
I do not know if doctors, pharma & the medical world made big bucks back in 1956/57. I do know the Covid19 vaccine was a financial boon to big pharma as it exists today. I have read how local clinics got big rewards based on the number of shots they administered. A clinic across the highway from me had a big, printed sign erected advertising the Covid shots.

I get my Medicare supplemental coverage thru the retirement system of my former job. They switched to a different company this year. i get calls and letters often trying to get me to sign up for stuff. Vori Health being the most recent. An annual wellness visit at my home is another. What i did not know before was how the insurance company can charge a lot to Medicare for these programs if I sign up. These programs are to be at no cost to me but will be a cost on the taxpayer's dime.

 

[sk47]

Hello; i do not have a link for this news. So far only heard a news report. It seems Mr. Science or Dr. Science or I AM Science (Fauci) sent messages on a government owned phone.
Released today apparently are messages by Mr. Science saying there may be problems such as miscarriage from the Covid vaccine. Thinking he did not share with us ordinary folks.

If this is another smoking gun sort of information, I have a question or few. One being who got the message on the other end. Maybe someone without a presidential pardon????

 

[sk47]

Hello; I see the discussion has flared up again within the SCIENCE IS CANCELLED thread. I continue to lack sufficient privilege to participate in that thread. A very good thing is there are several who oppose such as Greg's dogma. I am glad not all were silenced back when so many opposing voices had their privilege removed.

A thing to keep in mind is so many in the medical profession took a stance which has turned out to be on the wrong side of the now known facts. They supported the "OFFICIAL" edicts of the time in writing on this and other forums. They stood strongly for the everyone MUST be vaccinated stance at the time and now use convoluted language tricks to cover the weakness of that stance rather than to simply admit they were wrong.

Yet they want a return of the respect & esteem medical professionals have lost. That esteem was lost by actions of their very own. We, the general public, had looked to these professionals in times of medical adversity. We knew they had taken an oath to do no harm. We thought we understood they sometimes simply made mistakes but were trying their best. Medical science is hard so we knew there could be "honest" mistakes.
However, many medical pros crossed a few important lines and now we know. They dismissed their oaths and knowingly supported dogma which did harm. The USA's top doc of the time is now our national shame. His arrogance and hubris on display in his own words.

We have our own forum examples to contend with. Carry on.

 

[sk47]

Hello; it was very hot yesterday, so I limited my outside work time. Only push mowed a portion of my lawn before getting quite hot so I stopped. While cooling down i switched the computer on and opened the science in now canceled thread. I wanted to go back to see what I had posted which had gotten my privileges suspended for that thread only.

I started finding my posts still around on page 600. By page 603 or 604 or so I disappeared. I did not find political content. What I did find around page 600 was a coordinated attack against my stance on natural immunity.

This was back in 2021 apparently after the new mRNA Covid vaccine was out. As you likely recall there was a concerted push for everyone to have the shot no matter what. The young, the middle aged, the old and also those million or so who had contracted the initial Covid 19 variant and had recovered from the infection on their own.

My stance at the time was a successful recovery from such an infection would give the person a natural immunity equal to or perhaps better than a vaccine. That stance was based on my experience as a biology teacher and the education involved to get a biology degree. Not the equivalent of a MD to be sure, but I felt i understood the basics.

Of course, I was vilified and so were any others who shared the same stance with me about natural immunity. Bear in mind this was a time frame before the true weakness of the mRNA covid 19 vaccine became widely known. The top medical pros, as we have since learned, continued to push the narrative of all must get the shots even after the evidence piled up that the vaccine did not prevent infection. We all know the changing mantras used over time.

Reading the pages of posts from back a few years brought it all back. I was accused of wanting to kill people because of my stance on natural immunity. That may have been the worst accusation but there were plenty of others. I suspect the outcries against me were the main reason I lost privilege back then in that thread only. I went against the popular & "official" stance of the time. I do not know for sure as no explanation was given to me. One day I no longer had privilege to function on that thread. I figure all the others who lost privilege had the same experience.

Rereading those pages brought back the fact that there were quite a few who railed against me and others at the time. I had forgotten there were so many. Only a few today still laude the Covid vaccine as a success. I get it. The mRNA technology is felt by many to be a new "golden goose" of medicine. Capable of producing golden eggs in the form of cures for things such as cancer and more.
I can see the potential from the technology. I do hope someone gets it right someday. The covid 19 jab was limited in effect as we found out and had a serious self-imposed restriction imposed upon the formulation of the vaccine. That self-imposed restriction was the freedom from liability attached to the initial formulation of the vaccine. It is my understanding the Covid vaccine formulation could have been changed to match the ever evolving/mutating corona type Covid virus.

Just like the flu, the covid virus started mutating as it moved thru the population. The initial mRNA jab took over our cells manufacturing capacity causing our cells to produce specific spike proteins which closely matched the spike proteins of the early Covid 19 virus. As is natural for an RNA virus of all sorts it will evolve/mutate as it passes thru a host population. The blanket of immunity from liability apparently only existed for the initial covid vaccine shot formula. Had the vaccine makers using mRNA tech altered he formula to try to match new variants of mutated covid that legal immunity from liability would be lost. My guess this is why so many boosters became the norm. Regardless the Covid vaccine was a bust at preventing the illness.

Last thought for now. A criticism thrown at me and others back around page 600 of that other thread was natural immunity did not work because some folks were getting Covid more than once. I know a woman who had it three times. Natural immunity was not faulty. Like the flu, Covid mutates enough so the bodies old defenses no longer work so well. We can get ill from new strains of covid just as we can get sick from a new variation of the flu virus. Had the Covid 19 vaccine worked as was hoped then such would have been a great outcome. Alas the vaccine did not work as hoped so natural immunity was just as good, if not better, than multiple shots.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Hello; it was very hot yesterday, so I limited my outside work time. Only push mowed a portion of my lawn before getting quite hot so I stopped. While cooling down i switched the computer on and opened the science in now canceled thread. I wanted to go back to see what I had posted which had gotten my privileges suspended for that thread only.

I started finding my posts still around on page 600. By page 603 or 604 or so I disappeared. I did not find political content. What I did find around page 600 was a coordinated attack against my stance on natural immunity.

This was back in 2021 apparently after the new mRNA Covid vaccine was out. As you likely recall there was a concerted push for everyone to have the shot no matter what. The young, the middle aged, the old and also those million or so who had contracted the initial Covid 19 variant and had recovered from the infection on their own.

My stance at the time was a successful recovery from such an infection would give the person a natural immunity equal to or perhaps better than a vaccine. That stance was based on my experience as a biology teacher and the education involved to get a biology degree. Not the equivalent of a MD to be sure, but I felt i understood the basics.

Of course, I was vilified and so were any others who shared the same stance with me about natural immunity. Bear in mind this was a time frame before the true weakness of the mRNA covid 19 vaccine became widely known. The top medical pros, as we have since learned, continued to push the narrative of all must get the shots even after the evidence piled up that the vaccine did not prevent infection. We all know the changing mantras used over time.

Reading the pages of posts from back a few years brought it all back. I was accused of wanting to kill people because of my stance on natural immunity. That may have been the worst accusation but there were plenty of others. I suspect the outcries against me were the main reason I lost privilege back then in that thread only. I went against the popular & "official" stance of the time. I do not know for sure as no explanation was given to me. One day I no longer had privilege to function on that thread. I figure all the others who lost privilege had the same experience.

Rereading those pages brought back the fact that there were quite a few who railed against me and others at the time. I had forgotten there were so many. Only a few today still laude the Covid vaccine as a success. I get it. The mRNA technology is felt by many to be a new "golden goose" of medicine. Capable of producing golden eggs in the form of cures for things such as cancer and more.
I can see the potential from the technology. I do hope someone gets it right someday. The covid 19 jab was limited in effect as we found out and had a serious self-imposed restriction imposed upon the formulation of the vaccine. That self-imposed restriction was the freedom from liability attached to the initial formulation of the vaccine. It is my understanding the Covid vaccine formulation could have been changed to match the ever evolving/mutating corona type Covid virus.

Just like the flu, the covid virus started mutating as it moved thru the population. The initial mRNA jab took over our cells manufacturing capacity causing our cells to produce specific spike proteins which closely matched the spike proteins of the early Covid 19 virus. As is natural for an RNA virus of all sorts it will evolve/mutate as it passes thru a host population. The blanket of immunity from liability apparently only existed for the initial covid vaccine shot formula. Had the vaccine makers using mRNA tech altered he formula to try to match new variants of mutated covid that legal immunity from liability would be lost. My guess this is why so many boosters became the norm. Regardless the Covid vaccine was a bust at preventing the illness.

Last thought for now. A criticism thrown at me and others back around page 600 of that other thread was natural immunity did not work because some folks were getting Covid more than once. I know a woman who had it three times. Natural immunity was not faulty. Like the flu, Covid mutates enough so the bodies old defenses no longer work so well. We can get ill from new strains of covid just as we can get sick from a new variation of the flu virus. Had the Covid 19 vaccine worked as was hoped then such would have been a great outcome. Alas the vaccine did not work as hoped so natural immunity was just as good, if not better, than multiple shots.

Don't take it personal but I've asked for you to be banned from your own thread.

 

[CrazyHippie]

Hello; it was very hot yesterday, so I limited my outside work time. Only push mowed a portion of my lawn before getting quite hot so I stopped. While cooling down i switched the computer on and opened the science in now canceled thread. I wanted to go back to see what I had posted which had gotten my privileges suspended for that thread only.

I started finding my posts still around on page 600. By page 603 or 604 or so I disappeared. I did not find political content. What I did find around page 600 was a coordinated attack against my stance on natural immunity.

This was back in 2021 apparently after the new mRNA Covid vaccine was out. As you likely recall there was a concerted push for everyone to have the shot no matter what. The young, the middle aged, the old and also those million or so who had contracted the initial Covid 19 variant and had recovered from the infection on their own.

My stance at the time was a successful recovery from such an infection would give the person a natural immunity equal to or perhaps better than a vaccine. That stance was based on my experience as a biology teacher and the education involved to get a biology degree. Not the equivalent of a MD to be sure, but I felt i understood the basics.

Of course, I was vilified and so were any others who shared the same stance with me about natural immunity. Bear in mind this was a time frame before the true weakness of the mRNA covid 19 vaccine became widely known. The top medical pros, as we have since learned, continued to push the narrative of all must get the shots even after the evidence piled up that the vaccine did not prevent infection. We all know the changing mantras used over time.

Reading the pages of posts from back a few years brought it all back. I was accused of wanting to kill people because of my stance on natural immunity. That may have been the worst accusation but there were plenty of others. I suspect the outcries against me were the main reason I lost privilege back then in that thread only. I went against the popular & "official" stance of the time. I do not know for sure as no explanation was given to me. One day I no longer had privilege to function on that thread. I figure all the others who lost privilege had the same experience.

Rereading those pages brought back the fact that there were quite a few who railed against me and others at the time. I had forgotten there were so many. Only a few today still laude the Covid vaccine as a success. I get it. The mRNA technology is felt by many to be a new "golden goose" of medicine. Capable of producing golden eggs in the form of cures for things such as cancer and more.
I can see the potential from the technology. I do hope someone gets it right someday. The covid 19 jab was limited in effect as we found out and had a serious self-imposed restriction imposed upon the formulation of the vaccine. That self-imposed restriction was the freedom from liability attached to the initial formulation of the vaccine. It is my understanding the Covid vaccine formulation could have been changed to match the ever evolving/mutating corona type Covid virus.

Just like the flu, the covid virus started mutating as it moved thru the population. The initial mRNA jab took over our cells manufacturing capacity causing our cells to produce specific spike proteins which closely matched the spike proteins of the early Covid 19 virus. As is natural for an RNA virus of all sorts it will evolve/mutate as it passes thru a host population. The blanket of immunity from liability apparently only existed for the initial covid vaccine shot formula. Had the vaccine makers using mRNA tech altered he formula to try to match new variants of mutated covid that legal immunity from liability would be lost. My guess this is why so many boosters became the norm. Regardless the Covid vaccine was a bust at preventing the illness.

Last thought for now. A criticism thrown at me and others back around page 600 of that other thread was natural immunity did not work because some folks were getting Covid more than once. I know a woman who had it three times. Natural immunity was not faulty. Like the flu, Covid mutates enough so the bodies old defenses no longer work so well. We can get ill from new strains of covid just as we can get sick from a new variation of the flu virus. Had the Covid 19 vaccine worked as was hoped then such would have been a great outcome. Alas the vaccine did not work as hoped so natural immunity was just as good, if not better, than multiple shots.

It sounds like your posting privileges were revoked wrongfully, so shame on the moderator who did that! Certainly, the revocation cost everyone else the benefit of your knowledge and prevented a balanced conversation on the subject.

Regarding the vaccine: Corona viruses are among the pathogens that cause the common cold. They (among others) are known to mutate very quickly, which is why there's no vaccine that cures the common cold. The efficacy of the Covid vaccine was predictably very limited from the start, but the Fauci-ites withheld accurate information and spread false information that led to unrealistic expectations and persistent erroneous beliefs. Some with less ability for rational thinking accompanied by emotional volatility, vehemently cling to the propaganda and are quite hostile while mired in their ignorance. I'm sure that many here respect and value your knowledge, so remain steadfast and confident!

 

[HoosierDaddy]

It sounds like your posting privileges were revoked wrongfully, so shame on the moderator who did that! Certainly, the revocation cost everyone else the benefit of your knowledge and prevented a balanced conversation on the subject.

Regarding the vaccine: Corona viruses are among the pathogens that cause the common cold. They (among others) are known to mutate very quickly, which is why there's no vaccine that cures the common cold. The efficacy of the Covid vaccine was predictably very limited from the start, but the Fauci-ites withheld accurate information and spread false information that led to unrealistic expectations and persistent erroneous beliefs. Some with less ability for rational thinking accompanied by emotional volatility, vehemently cling to the propaganda and are quite hostile while mired in their ignorance. I'm sure that many here respect and value your knowledge, so remain steadfast and confident!

I agree. Moderators are human and make mistakes and more likely if a complaint comes from a friend. Will not be easy to get a reversal..

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