Science is not cancelled!

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Science has determined that slamming into a solid object at speeds above 1,845 MPH is more harmful to life than being frozen:

the upper limit of impact speeds that tardigrades can survive hovers somewhere around 1,845 miles per hour. ......the impact shock had a more significant effect than freezing

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg8...to-see-if-interplanetary-travel-is-survivable

Stumbled on that researching the pros and cons of shooting some 'tards.

This thread is NOT posted as a honey pot for said 'tards. Honest, I swear, really.

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Hello; Tough little critters to be sure. Not clear how such defined knowledge is of any use for human space travel at this time. May have implications for the decontamination of space junk before we dump our trash.

Hello; Found this post in a thread I have insufficient privilege to post on anymore. The old science is cancelled thread.
Clinical advances of mRNA vaccines for cancer immunotherapy - PubMed

Some interesting reading for those interested in vaccines on the use of mRNA vaccine based immunotherapy for cancer treatment. Some have proved very successful

Hello; I figured the mRNA sort of vaccines would not be abandoned even after the Covid debacle. To be fair I do hope someone gets the process right at some point. Will need proper testing and liability needs to be attached unlike the Covid 19 mRNA vaccine.

 

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Hello; I see that Gregs is back to what I call his heads I win -tails you lose way of looking at things again. Reference to recent posts in the Science is cancelled thread.

First let me say mRNA seems promising as a way to tailor the cells own mechanisms (especially protein manufacture) to combat an illness. I do hope the process can be made both effective and safe.

The Covid 19 mRNA vaccine was neither. We learned of the very poor effectiveness in real time during the pandemic. The official declarations went from take the shots and you will not get Covid down to take the shot, and it will not prevent covid but will make the disease milder. Then take a booster every six months or year. Do you recall prominent folks taking multiple shots and still becoming infected???

Now there is creditable evidence that the working product of the working aspect of the Covid vaccine (the spike proteins) linger a long time and can cause physical damage. Do were recall the heart inflammation associated with the vaccine? There are additional possible long term side effects suspected of the vaccine, but I am not quite yet convinced about them.

Let me repeat that I am not necessarily against all mRNA applications. I want them to work and i do see the theoretical promise. The Covid mRNA version was pushed out before all the problems were known. Much too soon is my take.

Someone or some group made a sort of bet that their new medical mRNA tool would ride in and save the day with the mRNA covid shot. Would have been great had it worked. Alas it only marginally worked as was hoped for.
Sadly, the folks behind the experiment using the world's human population as test subjects did not stand behind their new tool. They hid behind a very limited liability. In real terms no liability for side effects from the mRNA shots.

I noted in the conversations in the other thread that Gregs started a few posts back talking specifically about mRNA cancer vaccines and in later posts stated he is defending all vaccines. Very slippery as was the case years ago. Of course traditional vaccines are long proven.
I gave him the heads I win & tails you lose award for that sort of maneuver. During the pandemic discussions I contended the human body's natural immunity worked on a Covid strain to prevent future infections of that same strain. He was on the side of all must take the mRNA Covid shot even if you already had survived the infection. (most folks had a mild case)

The fact being I was correct and he was quite wrong. He considered himself to be correct all along even much later after he eventually conceded that natural immunity works. His stated reasoning being he was following official guidelines of the moment that all must take the shots. (even though such was medically incorrect) So by following the official line he was correct at the time. Later when he conceded that natural immunity did in fact work, his contention being he was also correct at that time. HEADS I WIN-TAILS YOU LOSE.
An irony being the powers that be at the time restricted me from posting on the thread while I was actually being correct and he plus a few others have been allowed to continue to post while being proven to be in the wrong.

 

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Hello; Noted a discussion in a different thread about vaccines. Some misleading comments about what a "mandate" may be compared to "voluntary". Suffice it to say be very careful of the language (double and/or hidden meanings). Read closely and consider the nuance.
Try to keep track of what might apply to vaccines made in more traditional ways versus the newer methods such as mRNA. I think it is fair to say the traditional methods are much better understood while the newer still have a steep learning curve.
Sad as the Covid debacle was an outcome is our eyes are now opened. We do question our betters to say it one way. We can no longer have a blind trust of the medical industrial complex. I get it will be inconvenient for some branches of that complex to have to convince us to accept new products.
Sadly, such scrutiny may well slow the use of some well-functioning new vaccines and other genetically engineered medications. I read this morning a post explaining how the mRNA Covid vaccine was not "new". That it was well tested for years and years. Interesting then how things actually worked out. Afraid I do not open the attached supporting links.

In addition, was a passage about the efficacy of the covid shots. Something along the lines that it met and exceeded expectations. (Sorry I cannot use the quote feature as i am restricted.) You know the thread and can read for yourself. Having endured the Covid 19 vaccine rollout along with so many of you, I do not recall it that way.
Here is a thought to ponder. There was a reason the original formulation of the Covid 19 vaccine was continued to be used for so long. Even after early indications of shortcomings of the formulation. I have to speculate a bit. That early formulation had the umbrella of no liability applied against the manufacturers and providers of said vaccine. Had the vaccine been substantially reformulated that could have liability attached. I do recall some minor adjustments to the vaccine, but it is my understanding such kept it under the protection of almost no liability. Speculation on my part to be sure, so take it for what it may be worth to you.

 

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FDA window of concern for novel genetic products - Search

Hello; I note some posts in the SCIENCE IS CANCELLED thread of late. I lost privilege to post on that thread along with others. That thread was not the only place folks were banned, restricted or some such during the pandemic and the associated pressures which included among other things forms of censorship.

I see that Gregs is pushing mRNA again among other things. Here is where I restate that I hope mRNA genetic tech can be found to be useful in safe ways for human treatment. At the very least mRNA if properly tested ought to be of some use. Maybe not as vaccines but in some way.

I recorded a segment of a news broadcast some days ago. The segment included a Dr. Peter Mccullough. I looked him up. He was also punished during the Covid era by attempts to silence him. Interesting how that worked as well as it did. but the censorship is not the point of my post.
Merely background.

Dr. Mccullough was speaking about the circumstances surrounding the sudden death of a prominent NASCAR driver. A pneumonia which, so far as i know, has not been assigned an underlying cause. There are a number of things which can cause a pneumonia. Dr. Mccullough made a potential link between a covid vaccine or covid infection and such pneumonia. I do not align with his claims at this time.
The claim appears to center around the spike proteins which are the end product of some of the mRNA type vaccines. I guess the point boils down to side effects of at least two of the more popular mRNA vaccines given for Covid.

It is not simply a matter of opinion I suppose. A comment from that news segment I looked up and is the reason for the link above. The comment is paraphrased= The FDA acknowledges a 5 to 15 year window of concern for novel genetic products which includes mRNA injections.

There were several members of this forum who were skeptical about the actions Covid pandemic officials & big wigs. Perhaps you all will have useful information.

 

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Quote of Gregs24 follows
"I think it is not really correct to say we don't understand the vaccine types (there were actually several different types of COVID vaccine) as they are all well understood delivery methods that pre-date COVID by many years or even decades. Their mode of activity and pharmacokinetics are very well understood as is / was the disease process itself.

The vaccines also went through the full testing procedure, the difference was that all other licensing was paused in order to facilitate the rapid roll out of the vaccine. All of that testing data is easily available and no steps were skipped or rushed. Tens of thousands of people were involved in the trials in multiple countries as is usually the case with a new vaccine.

We also now have billions of doses worth of data after the event to confirm the safety and efficacy of the vaccines - again easily available data, nothing hidden.

I'm afraid some people prefer to remain uninformed (often deliberately) in order to avoid the awkward reality that they are simply wrong in their assertions.

The HPV vaccine (mRNA) that is currently being used to treat cervical cancer is a perfect example of how even tailored vaccination is now possible. The delivery method is very well understood, the 'payload' can be whatever you want it to be. These vaccines will never be tested as much as COVID was simply because the numbers needing treatment are relatively small. Immunotherapy is going to change the world in the next 15 to 20 years (except for the antivaxxers of course)

I am a medical professional (as I have mentioned a few times in this thread) so although not an immunologist I do have a basic understanding of the subject."
End Gregs 24 quote.

Hello; I still do not have privilege to comment on the Science is cancelled thread. So, i quote an interesting post in full.
Among the interesting parts are the comments suggesting the vaccines, apparently inclusive of the mRNA sort were well understood all along. I buy such for the traditional vaccines we have had around for decades. Interesting then how the mRNA vaccine rollout started and over time the rhetoric had to be modified. from get the shot and prevent infection to get the shot and have a less serious disease to take lots of shots and often. I imagine you all recall.

As I recall there was at least one "traditionally" developed Covid vaccine eventually made available. I do not recall much of a push to make such available. Maybe I missed such. Perhaps the bit about how "all other licensing was paused in order to facilitate the rapid roll out of the vaccine." (the mRNA sort I assume)

The statement that the Covid vaccine went thru full testing procedures tends to give pause considering the events of pandemic with regard to effectiveness and such as side effects. I get medicine is not foolproof and most all medications have side effects.
The new HPV vaccine is apparently an mRNA sort. I guess we are to consider it as equally tested as the Covid vaccine was??? I would like more testing to be honest.

Again, I hope this mRNA sort of approach will find a place in medicine. Even if it is not for vaccines. My personal take being I would be more comfortable with the rollout of new mRNA vaccines if those in the medical field would own up to having made mistakes with the covid19 mRNA vaccines and say they have now worked out the mistakes. Rather it reads more like we got it good back in Covid and the new mRNA is also good.

I will follow the dropped documents on Fauci with interest and hope there is full disclosure.

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