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The fact I can make a convincing case shows how good the old cars were.
Except the '18 is also at least a full second quicker to 60 mph.

The Fox ruled in it's day (butt hurt camaro owners can whine to sometime who cares) but the S550 is just a better car. 800 pound weight gain and all.
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Good question, I don't want to write an essay long response so Ill try to condense my rational here.
For pure track driving, yes you can argue perceived interior quality is meaningless.
Even for a street-driven car it's possible to ignore interior quality, as long as whatever is there is reasonably durable. I know I don't pay interior quality one bit of attention while I'm driving. Never have.


However, I live in California, while its not the most practical due to low ride height, big hood, wide body, I can daily drive my mustang due to mostly dry weather and always above 50F in the day. If you're daily driving, at least for me, comforts and creature amenities are something I want especially if I end up in traffic.
Every car I've owned, or ever will own, is bought with full expectation of being usable year round. Minus the scattered heavy snow days, where except for some unexpected emergency I no longer have to drive anything anywhere any more. I'm fine with just the controls and instruments necessary for driving, A/C, a basic radio/CD player, and little else. Even in stop-and-go traffic, where just driving a 3-pedal car tends to keep you busy enough (and challenges you to get better if you let it).


I argue that such amenities don't detract from the track driving, spirited driving aspects at all, since they can be ignored and only add around 50-100 pounds tops due to its drop in replacement nature.
I guess there's just too much old-time hotrodder/sportscar guy in me to see that as a good thing, so I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree here. Features I would never use, I can't see having any business being there at all. I will argue from some experiene that some of these amenities don't always stay in the background.


Yes, the mustang isn't a pure drivers car, it is a jack of all trades, but I'd argue this is why the car sells well. Look at the challenger, a similar jack of all trades, its ancient but sells well while the purist Camaro, lacks in sales.
None of the ponycars really is a 'pure driver's car'; they're too big and much too heavy for that (you need to think Caterham 7 or Ariel Atom here). The Challenger sells as well as it does because it's pretty closely tied to straight line action, which almost everybody understands pretty early in their driving life. That many of them have never developed past that stage (at least not those in the USA) has been playing nicely for FCA.


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Except the '18 is also at least a full second quicker to 60 mph.

The Fox ruled in it's day (butt hurt camaro owners can whine to sometime who cares) but the S550 is just a better car. 800 pound weight gain and all.


Some of it is better tires and better trannys with more gears and that live axle, but the actual engine performance from a dig should be similar. Not saying 30 years of tech does not matter. But V8 tech has been slow. And then you have EV performance that exceeds anything IC engines ever will and the same guys splitting hairs over V8s start pissing their pants! :cwl:


I will agree with you that the Fox bodies ruled the day. We had a rep and respect and we always raced. Other performance cars found a convenient excuse to take a side street when we arrived. Only a Vette was faster and he had to cross 120mph to get in front of me - don’t ask me how I know...


He knew he’d be in a race!
 
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Compared to my 2000 GT, my ‘16 (PP) is like driving a Benz.

I got my ‘00 in ‘06 and at the time it was a smooth riding car, even with being lowered. It definitely felt raw once I started really modding it. At the end, with 4.10’s FBO and 125 shot it was stupid fun and always willing to be a pain in the ass. My ‘16 is definitely tame in comparison for normal driving but when you hammer on it, I know what I’m driving. I think standards of what a vehicle should look/sound/feel like have evolved so much outside of the car enthusiast community we often feel cheated to a degree with each new body style.

I’ll take it all day. 18 year old me was good with smelling like uncatted exhaust, dumps under the car so loud your ears would ring and shitty suspension, mediocre brakes, etc. I definitely enjoy the step up into this model, which interior wise is a step down from my last car (Focus ST, ST2 package).

Mechanically, this car is fantastic. I drool over my brakes, the IRS is great, the feeling of the short gearing and Torsen definitely brings a mechanical feeling to the car. I held out for a PP so I could bypass throwing XYZ part at the car just to get it to that level.
 

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Some of it i




Some of it is better tires and better trannys with more gears and that live axle, but the actual engine performance from a dig should be similar. Not saying 30 years of tech does not matter. But V8 tech has been slow. And then you have EV performance that exceeds anything IC engines ever will and the same guys splitting hairs over V8s start pissing their pants! :cwl:


I will agree with you the the Fox bodies ruled the day. We had a rep and respect and we always raced. Other performance cars found a convenient excuse to take a side street when we arrived. Only a Vette was faster and he had to cross 120mph to get in front of me - don’t ask me how I know...


He knew he’d be in a race!
I don't know what you're on about. There is a giant chasm in tech and engineering development between a Gen 2/3 coyote and a pushrod 5.0. Not even close...
 

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I don't know what you're on about. There is a giant chasm in tech and engineering development between a Gen 2/3 coyote and a pushrod 5.0. Not even close...

Not compared to EV. And I have a secret life with those things that spans a decade...
 

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Not compared to EV. And I have a secret life with those things that spans a decade...
Apples and Beef. Literally not even comparable.
 

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I said many times the s550 is a wheel hopping pig! With that said they are just totally two different cars to even try to compare. The fox bodies even though I love there styling, they lack and original mustang cues that the s550 capitalizes on. I really think the biggest difference is in first gear acceleration. The fox bodies were definitely lighter, most had at least 3.73 gears paired with a 26 in tire and lets not forget a 5.slow pushrod V8. I know one thing, I'd rather drive a fox body with a coyote in it than a s550 with a 5.slow in it!
 

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They will when they sell side by side...
Everyday EVs will exceed the performance of our V8s but they'll never stir the soul. Exciting, yes, but it doesn't make you yearn for it. I've ridden in one of the fastest examples available these days and yeah it's nuts in terms of acceleration, but it's very one dimensional.

When solid state batteries become commercially viable in the future, the industry will very quickly shift to EVs being dominant, as range anxiety will be vanquished. I'm ok with that, but I am keeping this V8.
 

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Track and all is OK, I guess.
Still, the real measure of you and your car or any car is 'flat out competition.' ie street or drag......
Until you can outrun someone on the street and leave them, you don't know what
performance is. Can't race on a Dyno......
A twisty mountain road, some dude in a Camaro or another Mustang or and let 'em roll!!
I usually can't resist the temptation.
Someone is going to have to prove to me they and their car will outrun and out handle mine........
 

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Ok guys. Just to show you I have a heart. That I have compassion for you - here is a vid pretty much confirming what you all said. He even takes a swipe at V6 Mustangs (like he’s been reading stuff here...).



 

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Not compared to EV. And I have a secret life with those things that spans a decade...
Comparing completely different technologies is quite different from comparing the evolution from pushrods and 2 valves/cylinder to DOHC 4-valve arrangements. Makes me wonder what sort of evolution electric motors have gone through over the last 30 years, if that's been comparable to the progress Ford has made with its ICE offerings.


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I would say the dayz of the high rpm, high compression V8’s are numbered. The 2023 models will officially usher in the new era of hybrid power with awd. Around 2030 highways around metro areas will start using auto driving (taking control of vehicle) to more efficiently and safely move traffic around the city. Good times ahead...? Lol.
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