Retail Fastback orders NOT scheduled today (post up)

[Sal JC]

I'd trade places with you in a HEARTBEAT. I mean that 100% truthfully even knowing some may be undergoing fixes. Wanna trade positions? ;)

NO WAY! By complete dumb luck I'm not in either predicament.. Since my original order was lost and I got bumped from Job1 to Job2 my car isn't sitting out there in some back lot for weeks, for who knows how long, needing who knows what kind of patch ups. But since it’s still an original stock order it got scheduled to be built 2 weeks ahead of the retail orders.

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[francisco511]

So I'm guessing higher priority number the better right? or opposite?

 

[Sal JC]

lower = better

 

[Fomoco15]

Ford service just told me it all depends on allocation. What the hell does mean?Sounds like whatever dealer slips ford the most cash gets " Allocation" . This whole thing is crap!

 

[Sal JC]

Ford service just told me it all depends on allocation. What the hell does mean?Sounds like whatever dealer slips ford the most cash gets " Allocation" . This whole thing is crap!

Slips would be the wrong word, they actually give them cash, in the form of buying a lot of cars from Ford. see post #51

 

[Fomoco15]

Ummmmm NO!!!!!!

 

[Clink]

Ummmmm NO!!!!!!

Pretty sure Sal is right on this one....you think dealers are secretly sending envelopes of cash to someone at Ford doing the scheduling to get their cars bumped up?

 

[Seabee1973]

xplan retail, ordered 5/24 GT Premium w/ PP 401a, enhanced security pkg... No VIN
Priority 15 though dealer put priority 15 on all the orders None of the PP cars got selected (2)

 

[slcoddity]

Retail Order 9/15 priority 10
GT Premium 400A, Ingot silver
Ebony leather
6MT

 

[Free Agent]

I've got a number of Mustang enthusiast buddies in Indy who I would trust to refer you to a dealer. Say the word if you want me to reach out to them.




Maybe next week would be time to shop around for another dealer. Other than the timeline you have in your mind about when you might get your car if it doesn't schedule then, what is crucial about next week?

Thanks Tony I will keep that in mind and may have to take you up on that. As for next week scheduling I would assume to be assigned either week of 11/3 or 11/10, maybe as late as 11/17. This would be the absolute latest I can foresee being able to have my car delivered during 2014 calendar year. By the time Christmas hits there aren't going to be any deliveries from Dec. 24th through January 3rd. Anything scheduled to be built after 11/17 is looking at January delivery. I really don't want to take January delivery but I suppose it may come down to that unfortunately. A lot of factors are involved, weather, Dec. 31st tax cutoff, and a lot with my work schedule. I would have a dealer try to locate the identical car to mine ordered but I am willing to bet there will not be a single one built like it, right now I can't find one. I really wanted to be in a new car by November but the only way that is going to happen is if I buy off the lot from a competitor and that still is an option. I appreciate your offered help and will keep it in mind.

NO WAY! By complete dumb luck I'm not in either predicament.. Since my original order was lost and I got bumped from Job1 to Job2 my car isn't sitting out there in some back lot for weeks, for who knows how long, needing who knows what kind of patch ups. But since it’s still an original stock order it got scheduled to be built 2 weeks ahead of the retail orders.

I think we answered which one is WORSE then.

 

[Tcnarber]

Ordered 7/21
no VIN
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[Droid_Junky]

X-plan
Ordered 7/12
No VIN:frusty:


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[MikeAZ]

...We just waited at different parts in the process. So even "gaming the system" as it were didn't do much in terms of the ultimate outcome...

Tony, first thank you for your contributions to this forum, they are much appreciated.

With all due respect, for many of us, our outcome is much, much worse than your experience. You have a car already built. It is a fact that you will have it in your hands soon. There are many of us who placed orders as soon as the order banks were open in May. A good percentage of us were not scheduled yesterday when the first opportunity for scheduling retail orders opened up.

Orders from yesterday are receiving build weeks anywhere from 10/20 to 11/3. Even if some or all of the rest of the May retail orders are scheduled next week, our build dates are likely to be somewhere from 11/10 through 11/21.

At best (with a two week transit time), those retail orders scheduled yesterday will be delivered around 11/3 but more realistically 11/17 or later. Those scheduled next week are looking at realistic deliveries anywhere from 12/1 to 12/12. You may receive your car at around the same time as those lucky enough to have their retail order scheduled for the 10/20 week, but you will have it before the majority of retail buyers.

Unrelated to Tony's comment but it backs up my point:

Take, my case. I have a 5/24 order. My dealer is small but still fairly close to the Tucson Metro area and the only alternative to the 4 dealer owned by one partnership Ford monopoly in Tucson. My dealer doesn't do a tremendous amount of Mustang sales but his F-150 sales are high enough that Ford rewarded an LE allocation. Their first '15 Mustang stock order was not pulled until 9/17 and none yesterday. There is one retail order before me at this dealership. They cannot give me ANY timeframe on when my order will be pulled - they don't know. I've asked Ford - they don't know and redirect all my questions to the dealership.

Ford likes to present an image that all their dealerships are equal - go to any one of them and receive the same sales and customer service. As an outsider, is it the responsibility of a potential customer to discover that this is not true and that they had better investigate which dealers are likely to receive allocations before placing a custom order? This is NOT an ethical business model and I don't understand why smaller dealers put up with it. They end up dealing with the confusion and ire of customers with long delayed retail orders that ultimately is caused by Ford's allocation preferences.

Need proof that some dealers are more "equal" than others? In yesterday's Arizona scheduled cars, one Phoenix dealer received 10, another 8, and many in the 5-7 range. The large Tucson dealer (has a monopoly on Ford in Tucson, owns four dealerships) received about 10 total. I only found two rural dealers with pulled orders, each received one (Kingman and Sierra Vista). Some dealerships in larger areas like Flagstaff and Prescott received nothing. That leaves about 15 or so rural and smaller city dealers that received nothing. Want to place bets on all those remaining Arizona dealers having all their retail orders pulled next week? Or is it more likely that the usual large volume dealers will have a large number of more retail orders (recently placed) scheduled and a couple of the left out smaller dealers will each get one retail order filled?

Went through this in '78-'79 with a '79 Mercury Capri Turbo RS order. At least then there was a technical issue with the TC3 turbocharger that delayed the order placed in September to an April delivery. NOT happy it is happening again, especially since there are no technical reasons or parts supply issues causing the delay.

At this point, I would drop out except that I want the car. Ford has done an exceptional job from a technical viewpoint in building a mass market car at a reasonable price with outstanding performance.

 

[Seabee1973]

Tony, first thank you for your contributions to this forum, they are much appreciated.

With all due respect, for many of us, our outcome is much, much worse than your experience. You have a car already built. It is a fact that you will have it in your hands soon. There are many of us who placed orders as soon as the order banks were open in May. A good percentage of us were not scheduled yesterday when the first opportunity for scheduling retail orders opened up.

Orders from yesterday are receiving build weeks anywhere from 10/20 to 11/3. Even if some or all of the rest of the May retail orders are scheduled next week, our build dates are likely to be somewhere from 11/10 through 11/21.

At best (with a two week transit time), those retail orders scheduled yesterday will be delivered around 11/3 but more realistically 11/17 or later. Those scheduled next week are looking at realistic deliveries anywhere from 12/1 to 12/12. You may receive your car at around the same time as those lucky enough to have their retail order scheduled for the 10/20 week, but you will have it before the majority of retail buyers.

Unrelated to Tony's comment but it backs up my point:

Take, my case. I have a 5/24 order. My dealer is small but still fairly close to the Tucson Metro area and the only alternative to the 4 dealer owned by one partnership Ford monopoly in Tucson. My dealer doesn't do a tremendous amount of Mustang sales but his F-150 sales are high enough that Ford rewarded an LE allocation. Their first '15 Mustang stock order was not pulled until 9/17 and none yesterday. There is one retail order before me at this dealership. They cannot give me ANY timeframe on when my order will be pulled - they don't know. I've asked Ford - they don't know and redirect all my questions to the dealership.

Ford likes to present an image that all their dealerships are equal - go to any one of them and receive the same sales and customer service. As an outsider, is it the responsibility of a potential customer to discover that this is not true and that they had better investigate which dealers are likely to receive allocations before placing a custom order? This is NOT an ethical business model and I don't understand why smaller dealers put up with it. They end up dealing with the confusion and ire of customers with long delayed retail orders that ultimately is caused by Ford's allocation preferences.

Need proof that some dealers are more "equal" than others? In yesterday's Arizona scheduled cars, one Phoenix dealer received 10, another 8, and many in the 5-7 range. The large Tucson dealer (has a monopoly on Ford in Tucson, owns four dealerships) received about 10 total. I only found two rural dealers with pulled orders, each received one (Kingman and Sierra Vista). Some dealerships in larger areas like Flagstaff and Prescott received nothing. That leaves about 15 or so rural and smaller city dealers that received nothing. Want to place bets on all those remaining Arizona dealers having all their retail orders pulled next week? Or is it more likely that the usual large volume dealers will have a large number of more retail orders (recently placed) scheduled and a couple of the left out smaller dealers will each get one retail order filled?

Went through this in '78-'79 with a '79 Mercury Capri Turbo RS order. At least then there was a technical issue with the TC3 turbocharger that delayed the order placed in September to an April delivery. NOT happy it is happening again, especially since there are no technical reasons or parts supply issues causing the delay.

At this point, I would drop out except that I want the car. Ford has done an exceptional job from a technical viewpoint in building a mass market car at a reasonable price with outstanding performance.

Aren't their allocations based on a monthly split into weeks? Let's say they were only allocated 2... depending on their allocations it might be every other week, one for each of those allocated weeks.....at the same time, isn't the regional managers responsible on dispersing those allocations as well? Given x plan orders, regular retail would get picked first over x until there is a lapse in date ordered in which it would get picked say ordered 5/24... at the same time there are also configurations... v6/eco/v8. If there are none at that given dealer the configuration gets picked up by another regional dealer... same thing goes with the packages say the pp... my guess is that is what seems to be happening... I don't know but there was another person that explained it that way and also saw it on the blue oval forum

 

[MikeAZ]

Aren't their allocations based on a monthly split into weeks? Let's say they were only allocated 2... depending on their allocations it might be every other week, one for each of those allocated weeks.....at the same time, isn't the regional managers responsible on dispersing those allocations as well? Given x plan orders, regular retail would get picked first over x until there is a lapse in date ordered in which it would get picked say ordered 5/24... at the same time there are also configurations... v6/eco/v8. If there are none at that given dealer the configuration gets picked up by another regional dealer... same thing goes with the packages say the pp... my guess is that is what seems to be happening... I don't know but there was another person that explained it that way and also saw it on the blue oval forum

Seebee, your guess is as good as mine or anyone else on this board (other than those associated with Ford or a Ford dealership). Ford won't publish or even confirm theories as to how their allocation system works. The average Ford buyer doesn't even know such a system exists until they start investigating why their order is delayed. The reality is that if you want a quick turn around on a retail order, you must seek out a dealer with a large number of allocations. The date on an order has little influence on when it will be scheduled. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if some of these May orders end up scheduled next year in the last build week. If the car ends up being extremely popular, some may not be scheduled at all as dealers realize they can change priorities on these X-Plan orders and get higher return on newly placed orders due to demand.

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