Reducing Under Hood Temps

[speedfrk]

Not sure if this applies to people who have AGS removed, I don't think a tune changes your cylinder temps, but I could be wrong. Maybe like you said the AGS, but anyone with ten min can remove theres, no need for a tune

I think they can be programmed to always be open- like when the A/C is on. If you drive around with the A/C off, you'll see cyl head temps in the low 200's. Turn the A/C on and they will drop immediately since the shutters need to be open for the A/C condenser and the extra air cools the radiator as well.

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[Livernois Motorsports]

Adding our EvenFlo 160° tstat will greatly help you keep coolant temps down, resulting in better CHT's. Adding our Windstorm CAI will lower your IAT's attacking the cooling problem from both ends. The last part of the puzzle is our MyCal tuner. You cannot just remove your AGS without tuning. It is something that we can help you with if you do decide to follow through with though!

 

[Busser48]

Adding our EvenFlo 160° tstat will greatly help you keep coolant temps down, resulting in better CHT's. Adding our Windstorm CAI will lower your IAT's attacking the cooling problem from both ends. The last part of the puzzle is our MyCal tuner. You cannot just remove your AGS without tuning. It is something that we can help you with if you do decide to follow through with though!

You most certainly can remove the AGS without tuning.

 

[Bugasu]

Adding our EvenFlo 160° tstat will greatly help you keep coolant temps down, resulting in better CHT's. Adding our Windstorm CAI will lower your IAT's attacking the cooling problem from both ends. The last part of the puzzle is our MyCal tuner. You cannot just remove your AGS without tuning. It is something that we can help you with if you do decide to follow through with though!

How does it assist in keeping coolant temperatures lower when out driving? It doesn't suddenly improve cooling system efficiency. It simply lowers the coolant temperature the thermostat opens at, so sure, if you never drive the car and just let it idle and put no load on it then it'll be colder than stock, but its not like its going to do anything to shed any extra heat.

If I'm running hard, the thermostat is open either way, and setting the floor of the cooling system lower isn't going to suddenly fix this issue.

It's pretty well recommended not to do such by most race builders I've worked with on a street car (and marginally beneficial on a race car too).

For example: Tuner University's Article on Low Temp Thermostats

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

You most certainly can remove the AGS without tuning.

If you would like your MIL on all of the time. That is not necessary.

Would you add a CAI for example without tuning? You can. However, there is not a benefit to be had without tuning. Same principle.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

How does it assist in keeping coolant temperatures lower when out driving? It doesn't suddenly improve cooling system efficiency. It simply lowers the coolant temperature the thermostat opens at, so sure, if you never drive the car and just let it idle and put no load on it then it'll be colder than stock, but its not like its going to do anything to shed any extra heat.

If I'm running hard, the thermostat is open either way, and setting the floor of the cooling system lower isn't going to suddenly fix this issue.

It's pretty well recommended not to do such by most race builders I've worked with on a street car (and marginally beneficial on a race car too).

For example: Tuner University's Article on Low Temp Thermostats

You are quoting myself and that article out of context. (As we are not talking about a thermostat adding any power.) Your argument is that it doesn't add power, and you are correct as a thermostat does not add power.

We are talking about the cooling benefits of a lower temp tstat combined with more efficient tuning and lower fan settings. Setting lower fan settings will force more air across the radiator sooner. Having a lower temp thermostat will allow for cooler coolant to begin flowing into your engine.

For an OEM example:

Ford installs a 180° thermostat in the 5L Mustang GT, but a 192° thermostat in the F150. If there were no validity to what a lower temp tstat can do for your vehicle's performance why would there be 2 separately engineered parts for what is basically the same engine?

 

[Busser48]

If you would like your MIL on all of the time. That is not necessary.

Would you add a CAI for example without tuning? You can. However, there is not a benefit to be had without tuning. Same principle.

U stated "you can not" I simply stated you can. Just trying to clear it up for people.wgen a vendor says you can't do this or that, people take it as gospel, if you would of said. "You shouldn't" or "it's better to be tuned" "you can't" is making people fear something would happen to the car mechanically or it wouldn't work.

 

[Busser48]

You are quoting myself and that article out of context. (As we are not talking about a thermostat adding any power.) Your argument is that it doesn't add power, and you are correct as a thermostat does not add power.

We are talking about the cooling benefits of a lower temp tstat combined with more efficient tuning and lower fan settings. Setting lower fan settings will force more air across the radiator sooner. Having a lower temp thermostat will allow for cooler coolant to begin flowing into your engine.

For an OEM example:

Ford installs a 180° thermostat in the 5L Mustang GT, but a 192° thermostat in the F150. If there were no validity to what a lower temp tstat can do for your vehicle's performance why would there be 2 separately engineered parts for what is basically the same engine?

One is a truck and one is a sports car....... Different needs, just like why do they put different gearing in same engines and models?

 

[Busser48]

If you would like your MIL on all of the time. That is not necessary.

Would you add a CAI for example without tuning? You can. However, there is not a benefit to be had without tuning. Same principle.

And please explain what is the Benefeit performance wise, to have the car tuned with the AGS removed and tuned, V's AGS removed and not tuned?

 

[AlphaQueu]

And please explain what is the Benefeit performance wise, to have the car tuned with the AGS removed and tuned, V's AGS removed and not tuned?

Would also love to know before moving ahead with my little project.
:cheers:

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The needs of the platform have no direct bearing on the engine's performance capabilities. The tuning is what dictates the creation and application of power based upon the vehicle.

I never promoted the deletion of the AGS. However, if you were to remove them from blocking off your radiator/IC you would be introducing more cool air into the engine bay. This is typically done when you upgrade the radiator, grill or FMIC to a unit that is too deep to simply replace the old piece. For a functioning visual check out this video:

 

[Bugasu]

You are quoting myself and that article out of context. (As we are not talking about a thermostat adding any power.) Your argument is that it doesn't add power, and you are correct as a thermostat does not add power.

We are talking about the cooling benefits of a lower temp tstat combined with more efficient tuning and lower fan settings. Setting lower fan settings will force more air across the radiator sooner. Having a lower temp thermostat will allow for cooler coolant to begin flowing into your engine.

For an OEM example:

Ford installs a 180° thermostat in the 5L Mustang GT, but a 192° thermostat in the F150. If there were no validity to what a lower temp tstat can do for your vehicle's performance why would there be 2 separately engineered parts for what is basically the same engine?

I'm not talking about power. Didn't even mention the word, so you're completely going off on a tangent.

That article directly mentions there is no cooling benefit, and that was what I'm discussing. You do not increase the efficiency of the cooling system at all, just lower the temperature it opens up at. Choices for coolant temperature of opening is seldom related to a direct engine performance concern. 99% of the time it's about cold start emissions, and considering the F150 has a different exhaust location, catalyst difference, and drastic calibration differences. They are not entirely the same engine, and even have different standards to adhere to.

If this temperature being lower is so much help, why don't you make a lower one, like 100*F?

I'm not taking anything out of context here at all, just failing to see how said thermostat could improve anything but sitting still with an unloaded engine and the rate your internal parts wear at as they sit at lower than intended operating temperature.

 

[JDAlphin]

Would picking up a 5.0 hood help at all? I know that they are vented.

As a sidebar, I'm planning on picking up a larger intercooler and better piping kit at some point to reduce charge temps and minimize heat soak. Was out thrashing my Ecoboost another night with some friends, and it started to fall on it's face after three or four long pulls. However, when it it had cooled off a bit, it was loving the low 60's high 50's ambient air temp that night.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The GT hood might help marginally. Honestly, for the price a tune, CAI, tstat and/or FMIC will far better serve you VS a GT hood.

The pricing is fairly comparable as well!

Hood:
Part Name: Hood Assembly
Brand: Ford Parts

Part Number: 16612
Price: $1,087.62

Parts combo (tune, CAI, tstat):
PRICE: $999.99
SKU: LPP663107

FMIC:
There are several options available. While it is not recommended, if you want to only upgrade the intercooler itself it is fairly inexpensive (~$500).

It is far more useful to upgrade your entire intercooler system (FMIC and charge piping).

2015+ Ford Mustang 2.3L Ecoboost Charge Pipe And Intercooler Upgrade Kit
PRICE: $1119.99
SKU: LPP439999

 

[Busser48]

You can get a used GT hood for $600 painted and everything, I wouldn't go retail on that part, and all those things you just listed don't have anything to do with temps under the hood correct?

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