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[Mikepol2]

Yea...Im torn.

I think a test drive would answer your question one way or another. You'd drive it and either think it feels no different than my car, or wow I didn't realize it could feel so different from my car. The second option happened to me, I'd never have ordered one before the test drive.

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[Dave2013M3]

I think a test drive would answer your question one way or another. You'd drive it and either think it feels no different than my car, or wow I didn't realize it could feel so different from my car. The second option happened to me, I'd never have ordered one before the test drive.

I did drive the car they had on the lot in which they offered me the $2k off. I love the tranny ratios. I like my exhaust sound better with the Borla Switchfire and Ford Racing by Borla sport. Also, my car sits a tad lower and the stance is better than the Mach as I am on the Ford Racing Track package. I would have to put money into the Mach to get it where I like it. Also, the Mach they had is a base Mach, no leather. I would have to do the Katzkins again which is $1400. Its just my payment on the car goes from $550 to over $800. I am trying to start dropping my monthly payment. I just paid off the Ford Focus I have, its my daily and my wifes Escape we are either going to buy at the end of the lease or just give it back.

What I do like and its a big plus is the added exclusivity of the Mach vs. a GT. Only a 2 yr. run and it is a Mach 1 is what is so appealing.

I know this is going to be very unpopular on this forum, but I am also considering a new BMW M4 with a MT. They will lease pretty good in a few months and I could use the business write off. I DO actually like the front end of the car. Yes it looks horrible in photos but in person it works because of the shape of the hood. So now I am contemplating do I keep what I have or go M4, the Mach to be frank is actually farther down the list for me.

Car and Driver just tested a new M4 manual 0-60 in 3.8, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @120mph. It did 0-100 in 8.3. Remember this is a manual not the auto which shaved almost .3-.4 seconds off both those times. I can't imagine what the AWD version will run.

Dave

 

[Charlemagne]

@Dave2013M3 Listen to your heart. Drive the M4 and compare it to your car, numbers aren't everything, it's about the soul and the heart, the fun and enjoyment.

I like the new M4 visually, looks great in red colour, specs are great too. But sound of the engine and exhaust is rather muted, it's not a V8. And honestly, it looks just like any other BMW, which are all around. Mustang is a rare breed, exotic and attractive, and to me it's a lot better looking coupé too. And the price factor, if I spec it mildly, it's still 40k$ more expensive than Mach 1 (still 32k$ after my VAT discount). I'm sure I'll have more fun with the V8 in Mach 1 with great handling in corners. You're in different boat since you already have your very own customized Mustang that is just 1 year old. The exclusivity part is kind of not important, if you're not going to the track often then there's probably not much different experience you'd have from driving it.

 

[Dave2013M3]

@Dave2013M3 Listen to your heart. Drive the M4 and compare it to your car, numbers aren't everything, it's about the soul and the heart, the fun and enjoyment.

I like the new M4 visually, looks great in red colour, specs are great too. But sound of the engine and exhaust is rather muted, it's not a V8. And honestly, it looks just like any other BMW, which are all around. Mustang is a rare breed, exotic and attractive, and to me it's lot netter looking coupé too. And the price factor, if I spec it mildly, it's still 40k$ more expensive than Mach 1 (still 32k$ after my VAT discount). I'm sure I'll have more fun with the V8 in Mach 1 with great handling in corners. You're in different boat since you already have your very own customized Mustang that is just 1 year old. The exclusivity part is kind of not important, if you're not going to the track often then there's probably not much different experience you'd have from driving it.

I drove the new M4 and you nailed it on the sound. As far as being exotic, well not in California. Although better than the older F8X cars still not a thumping V8. I have to say makes me wish I didn't sell my 2013 E92 M3, but that is water under the bridge. I am going to hang tight with what I have right now. Took her for a nice long cruise today by the beach and love this Mustang.

BTW, they Southbay Ford finally sold their Mach 1.

 

[The Demon]

Shame to see that car was never used. I would love to have a t-type regal but the prices for an unmolested one are crazy.

It sold for $275,000

 

[hbash]

@Dave2013M3 Listen to your heart. Drive the M4 and compare it to your car, numbers aren't everything, it's about the soul and the heart, the fun and enjoyment.

I like the new M4 visually, looks great in red colour, specs are great too. But sound of the engine and exhaust is rather muted, it's not a V8. And honestly, it looks just like any other BMW, which are all around. Mustang is a rare breed, exotic and attractive, and to me it's a lot better looking coupé too. And the price factor, if I spec it mildly, it's still 40k$ more expensive than Mach 1 (still 32k$ after my VAT discount). I'm sure I'll have more fun with the V8 in Mach 1 with great handling in corners. You're in different boat since you already have your very own customized Mustang that is just 1 year old. The exclusivity part is kind of not important, if you're not going to the track often then there's probably not much different experience you'd have from driving it.

I've had a few BEEMERs. The last was a 2006 M3, a great car. From everything I've heard, BMW ain't what it used to be. I'm really happy with my Mach1.

 

[sakman84]

@Dave2013M3 Listen to your heart. Drive the M4 and compare it to your car, numbers aren't everything, it's about the soul and the heart, the fun and enjoyment.

I like the new M4 visually, looks great in red colour, specs are great too. But sound of the engine and exhaust is rather muted, it's not a V8. And honestly, it looks just like any other BMW, which are all around. Mustang is a rare breed, exotic and attractive, and to me it's a lot better looking coupé too. And the price factor, if I spec it mildly, it's still 40k$ more expensive than Mach 1 (still 32k$ after my VAT discount). I'm sure I'll have more fun with the V8 in Mach 1 with great handling in corners. You're in different boat since you already have your very own customized Mustang that is just 1 year old. The exclusivity part is kind of not important, if you're not going to the track often then there's probably not much different experience you'd have from driving it.

The first part of the post is gold. At the end of it all, driving a sports car should be about fun and enjoyment outside of what the car says it will do in certain scenarios on paper, IF you are a good enough driver. Does that really matter? you are already faster than 97 percent of the cars you will run into on the road anyways, those that are faster than you I suspect cost a great deal more. Soul and heart, are critical factors and you can end up with some buyers remorse if you let the spec sheet overwhelm your decision making process. Life is all about decisions with trade offs and compromises cars are no different.

Sound and soul is a big deal, its value to me really increased when I didn't have the V8 sound track for a while. I had a 2014 Audi S5, in gorgeous Estoril Blue. The car was fun, got all the right kind of attention (never really important to me but it happened from men and women alike) and high quality. It was fast enough, much better after I had increased the boost on the Supercharged V6 to around 380HP from 333ish. Car had the sport Diff too, so it was an excellent high speed cruiser and it was fun and capable, but in ways it was too refined, to sharp of a tool, almost sterile type precision. To make it really fun you had to drive it very hard, certainly past limits that should be done on a public road, its handling was so good and poised all the time, you had to push very hard to get to limits. The sound was not good, so while it was objectively quick and capable, it was never going to be the same soul stirring full body experience a V8 equipped car would give you in terms of sound and emotion. To me, its nice to have a car that will let you feel the raw power, give you a full shot, like a drug hit, of its underlying ingredients. I'm not saying it has to be some sloppy rear end sliding all over the place, burn out, semi mess of a deal, but the car should scare you a bit at 10/10ths, the Audi would never feel that way, so it had less soul, and to me it always felt like "Alas" something was missing.

I enjoyed that car a lot, glad I satisfied my desire to have one, but I'd be lying if I didn't mention that it lacked an intangible that was important to me. I'm still not exactly sure what it was, but I think sound and the fact that it never gave you feedback of "hey we are going real hard here, back off a bit, we can wreck on the next corner you know..." It just didn't communicate to you through all your senses like the Mustang will. There is no way to measure this, and this feeling comes on for different people at different times, so its hard to pin down, let alone get from a test drive. That is the other thing, what passes for test drives today are an absolute joke for the cars we are talking about. Charlemagne is right, if you have the desire go out and drive one, see for yourself, and only you know what you will and won't compromise on according to why you value most in car, not what the spec sheet says or what the next guy to you says about it.

 

[Mikepol2]

The first part of the post is gold. At the end of it all, driving a sports car should be about fun and enjoyment outside of what the car says it will do in certain scenarios on paper, IF you are a good enough driver. Does that really matter? you are already faster than 97 percent of the cars you will run into on the road anyways, those that are faster than you I suspect cost a great deal more. Soul and heart, are critical factors and you can end up with some buyers remorse if you let the spec sheet overwhelm your decision making process. Life is all about decisions with trade offs and compromises cars are no different.

Sound and soul is a big deal, its value to me really increased when I didn't have the V8 sound track for a while. I had a 2014 Audi S5, in gorgeous Estoril Blue. The car was fun, got all the right kind of attention (never really important to me but it happened from men and women alike) and high quality. It was fast enough, much better after I had increased the boost on the Supercharged V6 to around 380HP from 333ish. Car had the sport Diff too, so it was an excellent high speed cruiser and it was fun and capable, but in ways it was too refined, to sharp of a tool, almost sterile type precision. To make it really fun you had to drive it very hard, certainly past limits that should be done on a public road, its handling was so good and poised all the time, you had to push very hard to get to limits. The sound was not good, so while it was objectively quick and capable, it was never going to be the same soul stirring full body experience a V8 equipped car would give you in terms of sound and emotion. To me, its nice to have a car that will let you feel the raw power, give you a full shot, like a drug hit, of its underlying ingredients. I'm not saying it has to be some sloppy rear end sliding all over the place, burn out, semi mess of a deal, but the car should scare you a bit at 10/10ths, the Audi would never feel that way, so it had less soul, and to me it always felt like "Alas" something was missing.

I enjoyed that car a lot, glad I satisfied my desire to have one, but I'd be lying if I didn't mention that it lacked an intangible that was important to me. I'm still not exactly sure what it was, but I think sound and the fact that it never gave you feedback of "hey we are going real hard here, back off a bit, we can wreck on the next corner you know..." It just didn't communicate to you through all your senses like the Mustang will. There is no way to measure this, and this feeling comes on for different people at different times, so its hard to pin down, let alone get from a test drive. That is the other thing, what passes for test drives today are an absolute joke for the cars we are talking about. Charlemagne is right, if you have the desire go out and drive one, see for yourself, and only you know what you will and won't compromise on according to why you value most in car, not what the spec sheet says or what the next guy to you says about it.

This is exactly why I never lusted after any of my neighbor's M3's and M4's that he's had over the years... too sterile and vanilla. They always felt like driving a fast Camry. Great cars but they just didn't excite me. I had an Audi S4 for 18 months - same thing.

 

[JacksonvilleBill]

The first part of the post is gold. At the end of it all, driving a sports car should be about fun and enjoyment outside of what the car says it will do in certain scenarios on paper, IF you are a good enough driver. Does that really matter? you are already faster than 97 percent of the cars you will run into on the road anyways, those that are faster than you I suspect cost a great deal more. Soul and heart, are critical factors and you can end up with some buyers remorse if you let the spec sheet overwhelm your decision making process. Life is all about decisions with trade offs and compromises cars are no different.

Sound and soul is a big deal, its value to me really increased when I didn't have the V8 sound track for a while. I had a 2014 Audi S5, in gorgeous Estoril Blue. The car was fun, got all the right kind of attention (never really important to me but it happened from men and women alike) and high quality. It was fast enough, much better after I had increased the boost on the Supercharged V6 to around 380HP from 333ish. Car had the sport Diff too, so it was an excellent high speed cruiser and it was fun and capable, but in ways it was too refined, to sharp of a tool, almost sterile type precision. To make it really fun you had to drive it very hard, certainly past limits that should be done on a public road, its handling was so good and poised all the time, you had to push very hard to get to limits. The sound was not good, so while it was objectively quick and capable, it was never going to be the same soul stirring full body experience a V8 equipped car would give you in terms of sound and emotion. To me, its nice to have a car that will let you feel the raw power, give you a full shot, like a drug hit, of its underlying ingredients. I'm not saying it has to be some sloppy rear end sliding all over the place, burn out, semi mess of a deal, but the car should scare you a bit at 10/10ths, the Audi would never feel that way, so it had less soul, and to me it always felt like "Alas" something was missing.

I enjoyed that car a lot, glad I satisfied my desire to have one, but I'd be lying if I didn't mention that it lacked an intangible that was important to me. I'm still not exactly sure what it was, but I think sound and the fact that it never gave you feedback of "hey we are going real hard here, back off a bit, we can wreck on the next corner you know..." It just didn't communicate to you through all your senses like the Mustang will. There is no way to measure this, and this feeling comes on for different people at different times, so its hard to pin down, let alone get from a test drive. That is the other thing, what passes for test drives today are an absolute joke for the cars we are talking about. Charlemagne is right, if you have the desire go out and drive one, see for yourself, and only you know what you will and won't compromise on according to why you value most in car, not what the spec sheet says or what the next guy to you says about it.
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The first part of the post is gold. At the end of it all, driving a sports car should be about fun and enjoyment outside of what the car says it will do in certain scenarios on paper, IF you are a good enough driver. Does that really matter? you are already faster than 97 percent of the cars you will run into on the road anyways, those that are faster than you I suspect cost a great deal more. Soul and heart, are critical factors and you can end up with some buyers remorse if you let the spec sheet overwhelm your decision making process. Life is all about decisions with trade offs and compromises cars are no different.

Sound and soul is a big deal, its value to me really increased when I didn't have the V8 sound track for a while. I had a 2014 Audi S5, in gorgeous Estoril Blue. The car was fun, got all the right kind of attention (never really important to me but it happened from men and women alike) and high quality. It was fast enough, much better after I had increased the boost on the Supercharged V6 to around 380HP from 333ish. Car had the sport Diff too, so it was an excellent high speed cruiser and it was fun and capable, but in ways it was too refined, to sharp of a tool, almost sterile type precision. To make it really fun you had to drive it very hard, certainly past limits that should be done on a public road, its handling was so good and poised all the time, you had to push very hard to get to limits. The sound was not good, so while it was objectively quick and capable, it was never going to be the same soul stirring full body experience a V8 equipped car would give you in terms of sound and emotion. To me, its nice to have a car that will let you feel the raw power, give you a full shot, like a drug hit, of its underlying ingredients. I'm not saying it has to be some sloppy rear end sliding all over the place, burn out, semi mess of a deal, but the car should scare you a bit at 10/10ths, the Audi would never feel that way, so it had less soul, and to me it always felt like "Alas" something was missing.

I enjoyed that car a lot, glad I satisfied my desire to have one, but I'd be lying if I didn't mention that it lacked an intangible that was important to me. I'm still not exactly sure what it was, but I think sound and the fact that it never gave you feedback of "hey we are going real hard here, back off a bit, we can wreck on the next corner you know..." It just didn't communicate to you through all your senses like the Mustang will. There is no way to measure this, and this feeling comes on for different people at different times, so its hard to pin down, let alone get from a test drive. That is the other thing, what passes for test drives today are an absolute joke for the cars we are talking about. Charlemagne is right, if you have the desire go out and drive one, see for yourself, and only you know what you will and won't compromise on according to why you value most in car, not what the spec sheet says or what the next guy to you says about it.

I agree completely, I tried Porches for four years, they are much better in most ways than my Mach 1, but lack what the Mustang has. I have tried a lot of different brand sports cars, none match the connection I have with Mustangs.

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