President Trump has an easy win in 2020

[lacanteen]

Here are some stats, death rate by state. The top 6 are all in the NE
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Here's some data with world wide comparisons. The US death rate is under 3%:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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[Caballus]

Maybe we should check the "fact checkers".

The VA Mission Act actually replaced The Veterans Choice Bill expanding full access to healthcare outside the VA eliminating many of the shortfall waiting periods of the previous bill. It also expanded caregiver assistance to veterans of all era's.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...5-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html

Veteran's Choice
At Tuesday's coronavirus briefing, Trump repeated his false claim that his administration passed the Veteran's Choice Act, which provided the Department of Veterans Affairs more resources to improve access for veterans and allow them to seek care from non-VA providers.

"We got Veteran's Choice, nobody thought that would be possible that's been many decades they've been trying to get veterans choice," Trump said.


Trump has also previously claimed the US didn't have any ventilators when he took office or when the coronavirus pandemic hit. However, a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN in late June that there had been about 19,000 ventilators in the national stockpile for "many years," including 16,660 ventilators that were ready for immediate use in March 2020; the spokesperson confirmed that none of those 16,660 were purchased by the Trump administration.

Unfortunately, despite being bi-partisan, the Mission Act has done little, if anything, to improve the situation over Veterans Choice. Many of the reasons are stated in the article that was posted to say how great it was--read past the first paragraph. Since that time, there has been little indication of improvement. Put on top of that all of the various policies that keep getting slipped in to increase costs of medical insurance (i.e., Tricare) and restrict veteran/retiree access to base medical facilities, and America gets what amounts to a deliberate erosion of veteran medical benefits--broken promises. The problem is that the average citizen does not have the background (or interest) to recognize that it's happening--smoke, mirrors, politics, and cronyism.

 

[Burkey]

I think you meant under 4%, as quite clearly shown in your reference material.

It’s an interesting metric.

If we talk about it in terms of deaths per infection (as above) vs deaths per 100,000 we can get very different results.
Let’s roll with the IFR though just to show how spurious it can be.

Country A has a population of 100,000 people. They’re proactive. 100 people become infected, 8 die, but they’ve completely eliminated the virus. They have a final IFR of 8% with 8 deaths in total or 8/100,000.

Country B has a population of 300 million. They’re pretty relaxed about the virus. They don’t do enough to stop it, allowing 70% of the population become infected. They have a final IFR of 5% once it’s all said and done.
1,050,000 people die. 330 (ish) per 100,000
They’ve managed to kill people at more than 40 times the rate of their neighbour.
The IFR looks fantastic compared to their neighbour but somehow they’ve made a complete mess of it.

Death rate per capita is probably a better metric for assessing the outcomes.
Pictured below, from your source, for reference.

 

[Jetnoise]

Reading these threads, the "non-Trump" supporters, really are kings of the doublespeak.

How many times do we see Fauci wearing a mask?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/24/dr-...-widely-available-until-months-into-2021.html

If that was Trump you'd all be up in arms.

Please Don't confuse what you call double speak with lucidity

 

[Jetnoise]

Reading these threads, the "non-Trump" supporters, really are kings of the doublespeak.

How many times do we see Fauci wearing a mask?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/24/dr-...-widely-available-until-months-into-2021.html

If that was Trump you'd all be up in arms.

Please Don't confuse what you call double speak with lucidity

 

[Jetnoise]

I think you meant under 4%, as quite clearly shown in your reference material.

It’s an interesting metric.

If we talk about it in terms of deaths per infection (as above) vs deaths per 100,000 we can get very different results.
Let’s roll with the IFR though just to show how spurious it can be.

Country A has a population of 100,000 people. They’re proactive. 100 people become infected, 8 die, but they’ve completely eliminated the virus. They have a final IFR of 8% with 8 deaths in total or 8/100,000.

Country B has a population of 300 million. They’re pretty relaxed about the virus. They don’t do enough to stop it, allowing 70% of the population become infected. They have a final IFR of 5% once it’s all said and done.
1,050,000 people die. 330 (ish) per 100,000
They’ve managed to kill people at more than 40 times the rate of their neighbour.
The IFR looks fantastic compared to their neighbour but somehow they’ve made a complete mess of it.

Death rate per capita is probably a better metric for assessing the outcomes.
Pictured below, from your source, for reference.

Is death rate the only metric you focus on?

 

[Burkey]

Is death rate the only metric you focus on?

No, not at all. There’s plenty of other metrics we could focus on. That’s why in the last paragraph I used italics to highlight the word “probably” and followed it up with “better” to highlight exactly my intention of the statement and it’s relation to the original claim being made.

 

[Gregs24]

Reading these threads, the "non-Trump" supporters, really are kings of the doublespeak.

How many times do we see Fauci wearing a mask?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/24/dr-...-widely-available-until-months-into-2021.html

If that was Trump you'd all be up in arms.

In a socially distanced press conference there is no need to wear a mask. However once mingling with people there is so if standing alone at a lectern it is fine but not if you then move back into a croud.

https://ucsf.app.box.com/s/blvolkp5z0mydzd82rjks4wyleagt036

recent paper confirming the benefit of wearing a mask

 

[Jetnoise]

No, not at all. There’s plenty of other metrics we could focus on. That’s why in the last paragraph I used italics to highlight the word “probably” and followed it up with “better” to highlight exactly my intention of the statement and it’s relation to the original claim being made.

No, not at all. There’s plenty of other metrics we could focus on. That’s why in the last paragraph I used italics to highlight the word “probably” and followed it up with “better” to highlight exactly my intention of the statement and it’s relation to the original claim being made.

Have a metric for the unknown?

 

[Burkey]

Have a metric for the unknown?

Clearly not. Your point being?

 

[Jetnoise]

Clearly not. Your point being?

That’s exactly the point
We don’t know, can pretend we do

 

[Burkey]

That’s exactly the point
We don’t know, can pretend we do

Luckily, I didn’t suggest we could be sure...

 

[TexasMetallic5.0]

Landslide victory.

 

[Bikeman315]

Landslide victory.

Sorry, but the way things are going right now he might not even carry Texas much less the country.

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