PP2 OWNER EXPERIENCES - RAVES/QUIRKS

[Porsche Dude]

Doesn't the Mach 1 wheel lip affect the aero as well? Forcing the air around the front tires so you are more stable at high speeds?

I have never noticed any issue's regarding stability at high speed on the track with a negative 3 degree camber, or the protruding of the front wheels. Ford said this was the most aerodynamic Mustang they had designed at the time with the 305 square setup. I imagine that is why the little lip spoiler on the back end.

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[mustang5o]

I have never noticed any issue's regarding stability at high speed on the track with a negative 3 degree camber, or the protruding of the front wheels. Ford said this was the most aerodynamic Mustang they had designed at the time with the 305 square setup. I imagine that is why the little lip spoiler on the back end.

Yeah at the time the lip spoiler along with the front splitter were made to work together. Though now the Mach 1 has the same front splitter with the much larger rear swing with removeable gurney flap. I can't find anything stating the front lip moldings help with aero but the original Mach 1 media release from Ford mentions them with the other HP goodies:
" The Handling Package also includes a larger unique higher downforce front splitter, new front wheel lip moldings, and a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap and rear tire spats from Shelby GT500. "

Also, which camber plates are you running to get -3 up front?

 

[Porsche Dude]

Yeah at the time the lip spoiler along with the front splitter were made to work together. Though now the Mach 1 has the same front splitter with the much larger rear swing with removeable gurney flap. I can't find anything stating the front lip moldings help with aero but the original Mach 1 media release from Ford mentions them with the other HP goodies:
" The Handling Package also includes a larger unique higher downforce front splitter, new front wheel lip moldings, and a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap and rear tire spats from Shelby GT500. "

Also, which camber plates are you running to get -3 up front?

Here at my Ford dealership we have a couple of track specialist techs who set up GT's, Cobra's and Bob says the front suspension is adjustable and set up my track alignment. I have a Steeda camber plate but by itself it was only good for -1.75, so Bob did the rest of the adjustments. I don't change it for street driving, it is always negative 3. The rear also.

 

[mustang5o]

Here at my Ford dealership we have a couple of track specialist techs who set up GT's, Cobra's and Bob says the front suspension is adjustable and set up my track alignment. I have a Steeda camber plate but by itself it was only good for -1.75, so Bob did the rest of the adjustments. I don't change it for street driving, it is always negative 3. The rear also.

That's cool. I'll be getting my alignment checked again before what may be my last event of the season and I'm planning to have them max out the camber (front and rear). Currently running MM camber plates (currently around -2.5 I IIRC). I haven't been changing mine back for street either. I never had problems with my previous vehicle that way.

 

[saleen367]

That's cool. I'll be getting my alignment checked again before what may be my last event of the season and I'm planning to have them max out the camber (front and rear). Currently running MM camber plates (currently around -2.5 I IIRC). I haven't been changing mine back for street either. I never had problems with my previous vehicle that way.

I'm running both a single camber bolt and MM plates and am able to get -3.1 on one side and -3.7 on the other. The differences are attributed to the camber bolt not being exactly in the same position side to side. For most events (track dependent), I push them to max negative and then return them back to where they were for the drive home.
The alignment shop did the toe and rear adjustments before a track day last season and I managed to get -2 and -1.9 camber for the rear. That's about max without changing to adjustable camber arms.
Also, the Mach I front spoiler is actually larger, aka lower (and angled like the stock spoilers) than the PP2, which would indicate to me it creates more downforce, thus requiring a larger rear spoiler. I know for me, I still encounter understeer for the most part, due to a larger front sway bar and rear swing and perhaps my toe setting.

 

[Ron]

"Doesn't the Mach 1 wheel lip affect the aero as well? Forcing the air around the front tires so you are more stable at high speeds?"

Don't worry about aero. The "aero curtain" effect is disabled on the PP2 & any other Mustang w/305 OE front tires. Just a theory here ... but I wonder if the Mach 1 front fender lips were installed to satisfy some obscure state vehicle code?

 

[Ron]

"What do you guys think of the PP2 selling now & the future higher because of their " limited production" run?"

I will not make any predictions about the future selling price of the PP2, but I have no doubt that, as time passes, the PP2 will be a much better deal for the average Mustang enthusiast cuz they won't be paying the artificial "premium" for nothing more than the Shelby, Bullitt or Mach 1 dash & external badging.

Question: Since I don't follow this site 24/7, you mentioned "limited production run" ... has it ever been determined just how many PP2s were actually produced?

 

[Atlas1]

Don't worry about aero. The "aero curtain" effect is disabled on the PP2 & any other Mustang w/305 OE front tires. Just a theory here ... but I wonder if the Mach 1 front fender lips were installed to satisfy some obscure state vehicle code?

The front fender lips are necessary because of the poke from the front tires. I believe without them they stick out too far and Ford wouldn’t be able to sell the car like you referenced, due to either a state or federal code of some sort.

 

[mustang5o]

I'm running both a single camber bolt and MM plates and am able to get -3.1 on one side and -3.7 on the other. The differences are attributed to the camber bolt not being exactly in the same position side to side. For most events (track dependent), I push them to max negative and then return them back to where they were for the drive home.
The alignment shop did the toe and rear adjustments before a track day last season and I managed to get -2 and -1.9 camber for the rear. That's about max without changing to adjustable camber arms.
Also, the Mach I front spoiler is actually larger, aka lower (and angled like the stock spoilers) than the PP2, which would indicate to me it creates more downforce, thus requiring a larger rear spoiler. I know for me, I still encounter understeer for the most part, due to a larger front sway bar and rear swing and perhaps my toe setting.

I'm running the Ford M5300W springs and RTR sway bars. I have the front sway bar set in the middle because I've heard with Magneride you can't run them full stiff. I have the rear on the loosest setting. It seems to be pretty well balanced. Not too much understeer on most corners at the tracks I'm used to. Takes a bit of work to introduce oversteer.

So maybe you need more front downforce? Have you considered venting your hood?

 

[Porsche Dude]

I will not make any predictions about the future selling price of the PP2, but I have no doubt that, as time passes, the PP2 will be a much better deal for the average Mustang enthusiast cuz they won't be paying the artificial "premium" for nothing more than the Shelby, Bullitt or Mach 1 dash & external badging.

Question: Since I don't follow this site 24/7, you mentioned "limited production run" ... has it ever been determined just how many PP2s were actually produced?

For shits and giggles, and because I am in the business, I checked with one our wholesalers, and my 2019 301A PP2 with 26,000 km will fetch me $4,000 CAD more than I paid for the car in September of 2018. $42,000 new and $46,000 today. The market is crazy because of a lack of inventory but a number of people are asking for track capable cars with warranty, and with Porsche and others being hit with 35% luxury taxes in the new year, for some it makes a lot of sense financially, to get out of tracking Porsche GT3's. Enjoy your PP2's and drive them.

 

[saleen367]

For shits and giggles, and because I am in the business, I checked with one our wholesalers, and my 2019 301A PP2 with 26,000 km will fetch me $4,000 CAD more than I paid for the car in September of 2018. $42,000 new and $46,000 today. The market is crazy because of a lack of inventory but a number of people are asking for track capable cars with warranty, and with Porsche and others being hit with 35% luxury taxes in the new year, for some it makes a lot of sense financially, to get out of tracking Porsche GT3's. Enjoy your PP2's and drive them.

Unfortunately my experience was just the opposite here in the Midwest. I considered ordering a Mach I for the Tremec, but wholesalers here offered $32k and Cavana was $27k ... this with 3300 miles. Scrapped the Mach idea and am now putting a plan together on coolers, headers and a Tremec swap.

 

[gadgtfreek]

Mine isn't going anywhere. Worth good value now, will be better years from now.

 

[mustang5o]

Unfortunately my experience was just the opposite here in the Midwest. I considered ordering a Mach I for the Tremec, but wholesalers here offered $32k and Cavana was $27k ... this with 3300 miles. Scrapped the Mach idea and am now putting a plan together on coolers, headers and a Tremec swap.

Hmm, I had a $42K from Vroom a little while ago. If the market is good still in late September I might part with my PP2 to get the Mach 1 and it's track bits. If not I'll be doing the same as you but over a span of about 5 years before I touch the engine (warranty). Did you find out if you can direct swap the Tremec that comes from the M1? If not I'll consider a Calimer Stage 2 or 3. Sounds like they have them working with Magneride and the drive mode stuff.

 

[Smunczen]

Unfortunately my experience was just the opposite here in the Midwest. I considered ordering a Mach I for the Tremec, but wholesalers here offered $32k and Cavana was $27k ... this with 3300 miles. Scrapped the Mach idea and am now putting a plan together on coolers, headers and a Tremec swap.

I was going to trade or sell my 20 but the numbers just weren’t there either.

 

[13GetThere]

I got to drive a base Mach 1 today. It's a really sweet car and I loved it. That 20 extra horses was easy to feel, but in the end, it was just like driving my 2019 PP2 premium. Even shifting the transmission felt the same, and maybe not as good at times. My salesman did some figuring with my trade, what I owed, and what they wanted, and it was way not worth swapping.
If it had been a Mach 1 HP with the A10, it would have been more tempting, but still not worth it.

I think the PP2 is the best value out there in your top end Mustangs. Yeah it's not perfect, and doesn't have everything needed for the track, but it's got most of it for a lot less money.

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